UN tells Israel to let in nuclear inspectors

[Hippostania]

Denmark is one of the most right-wing countries on earth. Norway's amazing in all ways, Sweden's not that bad. Finland is pretty bad, due our current cut-and-save government. They're the reason we students in Vantaa had to eat soup all year. Now all of us hate Kokoomus.

No, I am referring to the Palestinian recognized populace, who are being massacred by Israel.

>Denmark
>right-wing
AHAHA OH WOW. Oh wait, you're serious. I'm glad that Finland actually got a government led by a sane person though, and I'm saying this as a member of the Pirkanmaa branch of the National Coalition Youth. Over here, we're getting loads new members every day.

And yeah, I've got no idea what you're talking about. Israel is not massacring people who do not exist. Israel is, however, protecting its territorial integrity from foreign occupiers.

[Conserative Morality]

Never.

I won't rest until I get a green card, even if it'll take decades.

No, really. Not only are you a very disagreeable sort, you don't seem particularly American in thought or desire.

I know radical fundamentalist Christian Republicans who are further left than you. In fact, I don't know any radical fundamentalist Christian Republicans who are as right-wing as you. I don't know anyone as radical and fringe as you, and I live in a pretty conservative area.

[Conserative Morality]

He's worse than most Israelis I know.

I should hope so. If he wasn't worse, there'd be no chance for peace in Palestine.

[Divair]

He's a Finnish draft dodger. And he is socially moderate while being far-right economically.


Even if he wanted to, there's no large base of people who would vote for such a candidate.

Well, they did vote Reagan in, and Hippo's like the Finnish less conservative version of him.

The whole "Finnish and less conservative" part is what matters

[Kvatchdom]

Denmark is one of the most right-wing countries on earth. Norway's amazing in all ways, Sweden's not that bad. Finland is pretty bad, due our current cut-and-save government. They're the reason we students in Vantaa had to eat soup all year. Now all of us hate Kokoomus.

No, I am referring to the Palestinian recognized populace, who are being massacred by Israel.

>Denmark
>right-wing
AHAHA OH WOW. Oh wait, you're serious. I'm glad that Finland actually got a government led by a sane person though, and I'm saying this as a member of the Pirkanmaa branch of the National Coalition Youth. Over here, we're getting loads new members every day.

And yeah, I've got no idea what you're talking about. Israel is not massacring people who do not exist. Israel is, however, protecting its territorial integrity from foreign occupiers.

Denmark is the most right-wing country in Europe. Ask any laissez-faire anarchist here. They told me that.
Well, you're losing Uusimaa completely. Everyone here hates the National Coalition, and now even the rich arseholes are supporting Centre and other opposition parties.

Oh, they're massacring Palestinians, the populace of Palestine, the land Israel is occupying.

[Kvatchdom]

Well, they did vote Reagan in, and Hippo's like the Finnish less conservative version of him.

The whole "Finnish and less conservative" part is what matters

It depends on if he can get a yankee accent. Romney was a mormon, and people voted for him

[Conserative Morality]

Well, they did vote Reagan in, and Hippo's like the Finnish less conservative version of him.

Less? Less? I'm pretty sure even Reagan wasn't that bad, and I'm no fan of the gipper.

[Divair]

The whole "Finnish and less conservative" part is what matters

It depends on if he can get a yankee accent. Romney was a mormon, and people voted for him

Mormons are far more trusted than atheists, though.

[Choronzon]

Well, they did vote Reagan in, and Hippo's like the Finnish less conservative version of him.

Less? Less? I'm pretty sure even Reagan wasn't that bad, and I'm no fan of the gipper.

Hippo would think Reagan as a communist.

[Kvatchdom]

It depends on if he can get a yankee accent. Romney was a mormon, and people voted for him

Mormons are far more trusted than atheists, though.

Is Hippo an atheist?

[Kvatchdom]

Less? Less? I'm pretty sure even Reagan wasn't that bad, and I'm no fan of the gipper.

Hippo would think Reagan as a communist.

He has praised Reagan a couple of times.

[Divair]

Mormons are far more trusted than atheists, though.

Is Hippo an atheist?

Yes.

[Kvatchdom]

Well, they did vote Reagan in, and Hippo's like the Finnish less conservative version of him.

Less? Less? I'm pretty sure even Reagan wasn't that bad, and I'm no fan of the gipper.

Conservative, as in social policy. Hippo's in favour of gay marriage.

[Conserative Morality]

He has praised Reagan a couple of times.

More his memory than his actual actions.

[Kvatchdom]

Is Hippo an atheist?

Yes.

Well that would be a problem

[Divair]

Yes.

Well that would be a problem

That in itself eliminates any potential for a political career.

[Choronzon]

Hippo would think Reagan as a communist.

He has praised Reagan a couple of times.

I suspect that Hippo's knowledge on Reagan is about as in depth and accurate as his knowledge on any other aspect of American history, politics, or international relations.

[Kvatchdom]

Well that would be a problem

That in itself eliminates any potential for a political career.

Not in some areas, but then again those areas don't like people as right-wing as Hippo.

[Conserative Morality]

That in itself eliminates any potential for a political career.

Except in certain DIRTY LIBERAL SOCIALIST states.

[Divair]

That in itself eliminates any potential for a political career.

Not in some areas, but then again those areas don't like people as right-wing as Hippo.

Only one atheist in Congress, two in all of the USA's history. And both were from more leftist, socially liberal regions.

[National Socialist City of Cologne]

I'm confused.
Why is everyone raising hell about Israel/Palestine?
Muslims killing Jews. Jews killing Muslims.
I bet the North Koreans are celebrating while the world focuses on Israel. While they re-discover '60's nuclear technology.
But, yeah. It seems Israel is alone in the Middle-East, and the Muslim states want to have total Middle-Eastern dominance. For the sake of keeping it balanced, I'm going to say that I support Israel. So that the Western nations don't have to face a unified Middle-East. Instead, Israel will keep the muslims occupied.


Both countries are bad, and they should feel bad.

[Choronzon]

Not in some areas, but then again those areas don't like people as right-wing as Hippo.

Only one atheist in Congress, two in all of the USA's history. And both were from more leftist, socially liberal regions.

Polls routinely show that atheists are the least trusted group in the US. They routinely show that Americans are far more likely to elect any other demographic group (even a Muslim) before they elect an atheist. A recent study showed that people think as lowly of atheists as they do of rapists. Bush I said that atheists shouldn't be considered American citizens and won a presidential election after saying that.

American's lack of trust for atheists, and the difficulties involved in running for a political office as an atheist, are facts that aren't up for dispute.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm confused.
Why is everyone raising hell about Israel/Palestine?
Muslims killing Jews. Jews killing Muslims.
I bet the North Koreans are celebrating while the world focuses on Israel. While they re-discover '60's nuclear technology.
But, yeah. It seems Israel is alone in the Middle-East, and the Muslim states want to have total Middle-Eastern dominance. For the sake of keeping it balanced, I'm going to say that I support Israel. So that the Western nations don't have to face a unified Middle-East. Instead, Israel will keep the muslims occupied.


Both countries are bad, and they should feel bad.

A few problems with this:

First, 'face' a unified Middle East? This isn't a game filled with enemies one must destroy or conquer in order to 'win'. This is the new world of international politics, where to unite and cooperate is more important than to divide and conquer.

Second, the Middle East couldn't unite a two piece puzzle if they goddamn tried.

[Divair]

Only one atheist in Congress, two in all of the USA's history. And both were from more leftist, socially liberal regions.

Polls routinely show that atheists are the least trusted group in the US. They routinely show that Americans are far more likely to elect any other demographic group (even a Muslim) before they elect an atheist. A recent study showed that people think as lowly of atheists as they do of rapists. Bush I said that atheists shouldn't be considered American citizens and won a presidential election after saying that.

American's lack of trust for atheists, and the difficulties involved in running for a political office as an atheist, are facts that aren't up for dispute.

So now you guys understand why I support Hippo moving to the US. Reduces his representation, especially with the electoral college.

[New Chalcedon]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/04/un-tells-israel-nuclear-inspectors

The UN general assembly has overwhelmingly approved a resolution calling on Israel to open its nuclear programme for inspection.
The resolution, approved by a vote of 174 to six with six abstentions, calls on Israel to join the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) "without further delay" and open its nuclear facilities to inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Those voting against were Israel, the US, Canada, Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau.
Resolutions adopted by the 193-member general assembly are not legally binding but they do reflect world opinion and carry moral and political weight. And the resolution adds to pressure on Israel as it faces criticism over plans to increase settlement in the West Bank, a move seen as retaliation for the assembly recognising Palestinian statehood.

Israel refuses to confirm or deny possessing nuclear bombs though it is widely believed to have them. It has refused to join the non-proliferation treaty along with three nuclear weapon states: India, Pakistan and North Korea.

I think this is a good move. Israel wants Iran to follow NPT, then it should do so itself. I find it hard to believe anyone could be opposed to this. I know Israel will ignore it, like they do most of the time with the UN unless it's over something they want, but it is good the world is critical of Israel and is watching.

What do you think?

Did Israel sign the NPT?

Why no, no it didn't! Last I checked, the NPT makes no pretensions to universal application: it is binding on the signatories only, unlike (for instance) the Geneva Conventions, which are generally held to be universally-applicable. Iran, meanwhile, has signed the NPT, and is bound by its terms, but has failed to abide by them.

So what this amounts to is the following: Iran has signed a treaty, but Israel has not. In order to give Iran a fig-leaf to hide behind, the UNGA has demanded that Israel abide by the terms of the treaty Iran has signed (but Israel has not), leaving Teheran the perfect "out": when Israel refuses to comply with the terms of the treaty it never signed, Iran will be able to point and shout, "See?? Those evil sub-human Zionists haven't agreed to inspections, so we won't either!"

So, tell me this: Why is Israel obliged to abide by the terms of a treaty it has consistently refused to sign? Last I checked, sovereignty was still a valid concept - but apparently not when Israel's involved.