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Should Israel open up to inspectors?

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:50 am

Hippostania wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:
Then, what should they do when either side wants peace?

"Palestinians" do not want peace. If they'd want peace, they wouldn't be occupying a sovereign country.

fucking "kurds" amirite
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:50 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Palestinians. Palestine's their homeland by mapping, and you can't change that. Also, Gaza's surrounded by Israel. How the heck is Gaza waging war?

If you contradict Israel's interests, you are waging war on Israel

If you live in the general vicinity of terrorists, you are waging war on Israel

If you exist and are brown, you are waging war on Israel

Etc


And that's the story of how every Arab ever was an anti-semitic. :lol:
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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:50 am

I could sit here for a year and write out a detailed, step-by-step report on what should be done, but I'll give you the general idea.


Kvatchdom wrote:Palestine,

Reform the police force and start cooperating with Israeli patrols to neutralize the armed factions of Hamas.

Kvatchdom wrote:Israel,

Dismantle the vast majority of settlements.

Kvatchdom wrote: UN.

Occupy Jerusalem and establish it as an international city.
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Postby Hippostania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:50 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Maybe those Jordanians and Egyptians wouldn't be getting killed if they'd be in their respective homelands, and not illegally occupying Israeli territory. Every Jordanian in Judea and Samaria and every Egyptian in Gaza is waging war against Israel, and it's their own choice to remain there. If they get killed in a war they started, it's their own goddamn fault.

all along, the entire world thought that it was the israeli settlements that were illegal

if only we had knew...

Building settlements in your own land is perfectly legal. That's what the Israelis are doing right now.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:51 am

Hippostania wrote:There is no such thing as "Palestinians". Those people are Egyptians and Jordanians, not Israelis or Palestinians, and those people should be deported to their respective countries.

Syria Palaestina
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:51 am

Hippostania wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:
Palestinians. Palestine's their homeland by mapping, and you can't change that. Also, Gaza's surrounded by Israel. How the heck is Gaza waging war?

There is no such thing as "Palestinians". Those people are Egyptians and Jordanians, not Israelis or Palestinians, and those people should be deported to their respective countries.

And well, if Russia would suddenly march into Lappeenranta and start shooting missiles into Helsinki, would you consider that to be occupation? That's what Egyptians in Gaza are doing; they've invades sovereign territory of the State of Israel.


Nope. Palestinians, as they're recognized by the world.

It isn't the same. Israel's bombing Gaza and smashing their cities. Of course the cities answer with bombing. Palestinians have every right to defend their homeland. Invading? They're living in their homes in Gaza, while Israel is building a wall around them.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:52 am

Hippostania wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:all along, the entire world thought that it was the israeli settlements that were illegal

if only we had knew...

Building settlements in your own land is perfectly legal. That's what the Israelis are doing right now.

i know but like i said the entire world disagrees

someone really needs to let them in on this
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:53 am

Divair wrote:I could sit here for a year and write out a detailed, step-by-step report on what should be done, but I'll give you the general idea.


Kvatchdom wrote:Palestine,

Reform the police force and start cooperating with Israeli patrols to neutralize the armed factions of Hamas.

Kvatchdom wrote:Israel,

Dismantle the vast majority of settlements.

Kvatchdom wrote: UN.

Occupy Jerusalem and establish it as an international city.

For that to happen Fatah should win elections. Which it did not.

Israeli government doesn't want to do that.

UN can't do that since US forbids it and US is Israel's slave.
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Postby Hippostania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:54 am

Kvatchdom wrote:Nope. Palestinians, as they're recognized by the world.

It isn't the same. Israel's bombing Gaza and smashing their cities. Of course the cities answer with bombing. Palestinians have every right to defend their homeland. Invading? They're living in their homes in Gaza, while Israel is building a wall around them.

No they're not. Palestine is recognized by a huge group of dictatorships and a few pussified leftist social democratic hellholes.

And Israel has a full right to bomb a city when it's under occupation. If the Egyptians want to end the bloodshed, they'd return to their own country. But nooo.. So, the IDF has a full right to defend Israel's territorial integrity from Egyptian terrorists.

And as I said, Jordanian occupiers have no right to start building buildings in Israeli territory. Hopefully they'll all be soon surrounded by walls; then they can choose between peacefully returning to their home country or starving.
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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:55 am

Kvatchdom wrote:For that to happen Fatah should win elections. Which it did not.

I know.

Kvatchdom wrote:Israeli government doesn't want to do that.

I know.

Kvatchdom wrote:UN can't do that since US forbids it and US is Israel's slave.

I know.


You asked my opinion. I gave it. Far more realistic plan than "let's move 7 million people and entire cities to abandoned houses in the US!"
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:56 am

Divair wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:For that to happen Fatah should win elections. Which it did not.

I know.

Kvatchdom wrote:Israeli government doesn't want to do that.

I know.

Kvatchdom wrote:UN can't do that since US forbids it and US is Israel's slave.

I know.


You asked my opinion. I gave it. Far more realistic plan than "let's move 7 million people and entire cities to abandoned houses in the US!"


Well, true. And oh, they're not abandoned, they're just not sold.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:56 am

Hippostania wrote:No they're not. Palestine is recognized by a huge group of dictatorships and a few pussified leftist social democratic hellholes.

And Israel has a full right to bomb a city when it's under occupation. If the Egyptians want to end the bloodshed, they'd return to their own country. But nooo.. So, the IDF has a full right to defend Israel's territorial integrity from Egyptian terrorists.

And as I said, Jordanian occupiers have no right to start building buildings in Israeli territory. Hopefully they'll all be soon surrounded by walls; then they can choose between peacefully returning to their home country or starving.

I don't know any Americans as terrible as you on the issue of Israel.

Please stay in Finland.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:57 am

Hippostania wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Nope. Palestinians, as they're recognized by the world.

It isn't the same. Israel's bombing Gaza and smashing their cities. Of course the cities answer with bombing. Palestinians have every right to defend their homeland. Invading? They're living in their homes in Gaza, while Israel is building a wall around them.

No they're not. Palestine is recognized by a huge group of dictatorships and a few pussified leftist social democratic hellholes.

And Israel has a full right to bomb a city when it's under occupation. If the Egyptians want to end the bloodshed, they'd return to their own country. But nooo.. So, the IDF has a full right to defend Israel's territorial integrity from Egyptian terrorists.

And as I said, Jordanian occupiers have no right to start building buildings in Israeli territory. Hopefully they'll all be soon surrounded by walls; then they can choose between peacefully returning to their home country or starving.


Palestine is recognized by almost everyone else than USA, Canada, Germany and a few others. The whole world recognizes Palestine. How is Scandinavia a hellhole?

Palestinians. We're talking about Palestinians.
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Postby Hippostania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:57 am

Conserative Morality wrote:I don't know any Americans as terrible as you on the issue of Israel.

Please stay in Finland.

Never.

I won't rest until I get a green card, even if it'll take decades.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:58 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hippostania wrote:No they're not. Palestine is recognized by a huge group of dictatorships and a few pussified leftist social democratic hellholes.

And Israel has a full right to bomb a city when it's under occupation. If the Egyptians want to end the bloodshed, they'd return to their own country. But nooo.. So, the IDF has a full right to defend Israel's territorial integrity from Egyptian terrorists.

And as I said, Jordanian occupiers have no right to start building buildings in Israeli territory. Hopefully they'll all be soon surrounded by walls; then they can choose between peacefully returning to their home country or starving.

I don't know any Americans as terrible as you on the issue of Israel.

Please stay in Finland.


He's worse than most Israelis I know.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:58 am

Hippostania wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I don't know any Americans as terrible as you on the issue of Israel.

Please stay in Finland.

Never.

I won't rest until I get a green card, even if it'll take decades.

it will

they don't want you, especially if you don't move to a country you hate and take advantage of their evil socialist education
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Postby Hippostania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:59 am

Kvatchdom wrote:Palestine is recognized by almost everyone else than USA, Canada, Germany and a few others. The whole world recognizes Palestine. How is Scandinavia a hellhole?

Palestinians. We're talking about Palestinians.

As I said, a bunch of dictatorships and a few pussified leftist hellholes. And well, Scandinavia is a hellhole because countries there are oppressive nanny states who suffer from serious lack of freedom.

And sorry, I refuse to talk about people who do not exist. Are you referring to Egyptian and Jordanian occupiers?
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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:59 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hippostania wrote:No they're not. Palestine is recognized by a huge group of dictatorships and a few pussified leftist social democratic hellholes.

And Israel has a full right to bomb a city when it's under occupation. If the Egyptians want to end the bloodshed, they'd return to their own country. But nooo.. So, the IDF has a full right to defend Israel's territorial integrity from Egyptian terrorists.

And as I said, Jordanian occupiers have no right to start building buildings in Israeli territory. Hopefully they'll all be soon surrounded by walls; then they can choose between peacefully returning to their home country or starving.

I don't know any Americans as terrible as you on the issue of Israel.

Please stay in Finland.

But if he goes to the US, his representation as a % is lowered.

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:01 am

Hippostania wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Palestine is recognized by almost everyone else than USA, Canada, Germany and a few others. The whole world recognizes Palestine. How is Scandinavia a hellhole?

Palestinians. We're talking about Palestinians.

As I said, a bunch of dictatorships and a few pussified leftist hellholes. And well, Scandinavia is a hellhole because countries there are oppressive nanny states who suffer from serious lack of freedom.

And sorry, I refuse to talk about people who do not exist. Are you referring to Egyptian and Jordanian occupiers?

Who the fuck died and make you divine arbiter of people who exist?
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:01 am

Hippostania wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Palestine is recognized by almost everyone else than USA, Canada, Germany and a few others. The whole world recognizes Palestine. How is Scandinavia a hellhole?

Palestinians. We're talking about Palestinians.

As I said, a bunch of dictatorships and a few pussified leftist hellholes. And well, Scandinavia is a hellhole because countries there are oppressive nanny states who suffer from serious lack of freedom.

And sorry, I refuse to talk about people who do not exist. Are you referring to Egyptian and Jordanian occupiers?

Denmark is one of the most right-wing countries on earth. Norway's amazing in all ways, Sweden's not that bad. Finland is pretty bad, due our current cut-and-save government. They're the reason we students in Vantaa had to eat soup all year. Now all of us hate Kokoomus.

No, I am referring to the Palestinian recognized populace, who are being massacred by Israel.
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Postby Potlimitomaha » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:02 am

Hippostania wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:all along, the entire world thought that it was the israeli settlements that were illegal

if only we had knew...

Building settlements in your own land is perfectly legal. That's what the Israelis are doing right now.





Somebody give this guy a Nobel peace prize,moderator staus, and the head of Middle East negotiation
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:02 am

Divair wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I don't know any Americans as terrible as you on the issue of Israel.

Please stay in Finland.

But if he goes to the US, his representation as a % is lowered.

But he might become a politician and succeed in the US.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:03 am

Potlimitomaha wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Building settlements in your own land is perfectly legal. That's what the Israelis are doing right now.





Somebody give this guy a Nobel peace prize,moderator staus, and the head of Middle East negotiation

Because you like him? :lol: I don't think the mods would like that.
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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:03 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
Divair wrote:But if he goes to the US, his representation as a % is lowered.

But he might become a politician and succeed in the US.

He's a Finnish draft dodger. And he is socially moderate while being far-right economically.


Even if he wanted to, there's no large base of people who would vote for such a candidate.

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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:04 am

Divair wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:But he might become a politician and succeed in the US.

He's a Finnish draft dodger. And he is socially moderate while being far-right economically.


Even if he wanted to, there's no large base of people who would vote for such a candidate.

Well, they did vote Reagan in, and Hippo's like the Finnish less conservative version of him.
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