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Should Israel open up to inspectors?

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No
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Postby Al-Faisal » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:40 am

Hippostania wrote:The UN and its gang of anti-semitic dictators and other scum can go fuck themselves. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and to defend itself it needs to have a wide arsenal of different weapons that mustn't be revealed to the outside world.

I cannot tell if you're being very sarcastic and amusing, or demonstrating extreme ignorance of the UN and flamebaiting.
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No, that would be Turkey.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:41 am

Al-Faisal wrote:
Hippostania wrote:The UN and its gang of anti-semitic dictators and other scum can go fuck themselves. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and to defend itself it needs to have a wide arsenal of different weapons that mustn't be revealed to the outside world.

I cannot tell if you're being very sarcastic and amusing, or demonstrating extreme ignorance of the UN and flamebaiting.

You must be new here.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:41 am

Al-Faisal wrote:Israel wants Iran to follow NPT, then it should do so itself.

Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has every right to use nuclear weapons and has no legal demand to not build nukes. So Israel should give the UN the finger and tell them to go to hell.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:41 am

Dilange wrote: Thats what India is telling Iran.

And India would better not, since they didn't sign it either.

Its not saying its a good treaty, but if you signed. Y, you have to follow it.

Yep, but it's not the non-signatories' place to say so.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:42 am

Israel should allow inspectors in, treat them cordially, give them gift baskets for the flight out, and then sit there and smile as Iran tries to figure out what that means.

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Postby TomKirk » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:42 am

Al-Faisal wrote:
Hippostania wrote:The UN and its gang of anti-semitic dictators and other scum can go fuck themselves. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and to defend itself it needs to have a wide arsenal of different weapons that mustn't be revealed to the outside world.

I cannot tell if you're being very sarcastic and amusing, or demonstrating extreme ignorance of the UN and flamebaiting.

The UN commands exactly zero respect on this subject. You should know that.
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Postby La Tropique and StMaurice » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:44 am

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Al-Faisal wrote:Israel wants Iran to follow NPT, then it should do so itself.

Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has every right to use nuclear weapons and has no legal demand to not build nukes. So Israel should give the UN the finger and tell them to go to hell.

i think no country should have the right to make nuclear bombs
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Postby Al-Faisal » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:45 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Al-Faisal wrote:I cannot tell if you're being very sarcastic and amusing, or demonstrating extreme ignorance of the UN and flamebaiting.

You must be new here.

I'm not familiar with Hippostania, no. I'll keep his methods in mind in the future.
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The Northwestern Imperative wrote:Israel is the most civilized, modern country in the Middle East.

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Postby Dilange » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:45 am

Risottia wrote:
Dilange wrote: Thats what India is telling Iran.

And India would better not, since they didn't sign it either.

Yet Iran did, they are reminding Iran to follow the guielines they signed.

Its not saying its a good treaty, but if you signed. Y, you have to follow it.

Yep, but it's not the non-signatories' place to say so.


Its everyone's/ Including non-signatories.

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Postby Al-Faisal » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:46 am

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Al-Faisal wrote:Israel wants Iran to follow NPT, then it should do so itself.

Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has every right to use nuclear weapons and has no legal demand to not build nukes. So Israel should give the UN the finger and tell them to go to hell.

How mature.
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Risottia wrote:
The Northwestern Imperative wrote:Israel is the most civilized, modern country in the Middle East.

No, that would be Turkey.

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Postby Dilange » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:46 am

La Tropique and StMaurice wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has every right to use nuclear weapons and has no legal demand to not build nukes. So Israel should give the UN the finger and tell them to go to hell.

i think no country should have the right to make nuclear bombs

Tell that to the Cold War U.S. and Russia, and they would either jail you or laugh in your face.

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Postby Dilange » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:47 am

Al-Faisal wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has every right to use nuclear weapons and has no legal demand to not build nukes. So Israel should give the UN the finger and tell them to go to hell.

How mature.

Thats how the world works.

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Postby Al-Faisal » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:47 am

Dilange wrote:
Al-Faisal wrote:How mature.

Thats how the world works.

No, thus is the way they make the world work.
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The Northwestern Imperative wrote:Israel is the most civilized, modern country in the Middle East.

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Postby Dilange » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:48 am

Al-Faisal wrote:
Dilange wrote:Thats how the world works.

No, thus is the way they make the world work.

No, its acutally been like this for a long time.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:49 am

Hippostania wrote:The UN and its gang of anti-semitic dictators and other scum can go fuck themselves. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and to defend itself it needs to have a wide arsenal of different weapons that mustn't be revealed to the outside world.

So they openly need/have weapons that mustn't be revealed. I guess logic can fuck it self like the anti-semetic UN right?
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:49 am

La Tropique and StMaurice wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has every right to use nuclear weapons and has no legal demand to not build nukes. So Israel should give the UN the finger and tell them to go to hell.

i think no country should have the right to make nuclear bombs

Too bad, Israel doesn't care what you think, neither does India, Pakistan, or North Korea. You see, one shouldn't be expected to uphold a treaty they didn't sign.
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Postby La Tropique and StMaurice » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:49 am

Dilange wrote:
La Tropique and StMaurice wrote:i think no country should have the right to make nuclear bombs

Tell that to the Cold War U.S. and Russia, and they would either jail you or laugh in your face.

you're really mad
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:50 am

Al-Faisal wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:You must be new here.

I'm not familiar with Hippostania, no. I'll keep his methods in mind in the future.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:50 am

La Tropique and StMaurice wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has every right to use nuclear weapons and has no legal demand to not build nukes. So Israel should give the UN the finger and tell them to go to hell.

i think no country should have the right to make nuclear bombs

They have that right, though. The NNPT merely says that who got them should reduce their nuclear arsenal - and who hasn't got them shouldn't get them - with the prospective goal of a complete nuclear disarmament of all NNPT signatories.
Israel and India ask other countries (well within the range of their own nuclear strike capability) they should not have nukes, while keeping for themselves the right to build them and increase their arsenals. This might rise some doubts about their future intentions... that's why they should leave this issue to NNPT signatories.

As for Israel giving the UN the finger and telling them to go to hell, that's more or less the standard foreign policy of Israel so far. Quo usque tandem?

Dilange wrote:Tell that to the Cold War U.S. and Russia, and they would either jail you or laugh in your face.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NNPT
Cold War USA and CCCP were signatories.

The NPT consists of a preamble and eleven articles. Although the concept of "pillars" is not expressed anywhere in the NPT, the treaty is nevertheless sometimes interpreted as a three-pillar system, with an implicit balance among them:

non-proliferation,
disarmament, and
the right to peacefully use nuclear technology.[2]

The NPT is often seen to be based on a central bargain: “the NPT non-nuclear-weapon states agree never to acquire nuclear weapons and the NPT nuclear-weapon states in exchange agree to share the benefits of peaceful nuclear technology and to pursue nuclear disarmament aimed at the ultimate elimination of their nuclear arsenals”.[3]


So, both Cold War USA and CCCP agreed to a future nuclear disarmament.
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Postby Oterro » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:50 am

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Al-Faisal wrote:Israel wants Iran to follow NPT, then it should do so itself.

Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has every right to use nuclear weapons and has no legal demand to not build nukes. So Israel should give the UN the finger and tell them to go to hell.

what? why? why the fuck should any nation on this stone be held unaccountable for their actions with devices that can have a dramatic effect on thousands upon thousands of people not to mention the very terrain they are rooted to?

i'm noting you said should implying the decision of having a violent expansionist state being unaccountable for its incredibly dangerous arsenal is like morally correct?
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:51 am

Al-Faisal wrote:
Dilange wrote:Thats how the world works.

No, thus is the way they make the world work.

Yes, individuals should probably also be held to contracts they don't sign, just like countries should be held to treaties they didn't ratify. Speaking of which, you owe me $5000 paid over 10 years at 2% interest because it is a contract and it doesn't matter whether you signed it or not.
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Postby Dilange » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:51 am

La Tropique and StMaurice wrote:
Dilange wrote:Tell that to the Cold War U.S. and Russia, and they would either jail you or laugh in your face.

you're really mad


Ok? :blink: I dont know what youre talking about. Israel does have the right to build nuclear weapons, but whether or not they have any is still unknown.

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Postby Ile Tobi » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:51 am

Souseiseki wrote:spoilers: they will say refuse and the U.S. and the posters on this forum will back them up and then go back to chanting BOMB IRAN

Case solved ,thread over.

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Postby TomKirk » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:52 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Hippostania wrote:The UN and its gang of anti-semitic dictators and other scum can go fuck themselves. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and to defend itself it needs to have a wide arsenal of different weapons that mustn't be revealed to the outside world.

So they openly need/have weapons that mustn't be revealed. I guess logic can fuck it self like the anti-semetic UN right?

Israel is the only nation under existential threat. They want a nuclear deterrent, there is no legal impediment to their having one, and they do.
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Postby New Nassrau » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:52 am

More of the UN screwing Israel over... great...
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