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Should Israel open up to inspectors?

Yes
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No
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:49 pm

Dilange wrote:
Risottia wrote:
If they think it's a good treaty, why don't they sign it themselves?
And I didn't say "hypocritical".



http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article13764.html This is why. If you sign the NPT then you must adhere by it. Thats what India is telling Iran. Its not saying its a good treaty, but if you signed. You have to follow it.


In the NPT treaty there is an article called Article X.

Article X allows a state to leave the treaty if "extraordinary events, related to the subject matter of this Treaty, have jeopardized the supreme interests of its country", giving three months' (ninety days') notice. The state is required to give reasons for leaving the NPT in this notice.

NATO states argue that when there is a state of "general war" the treaty no longer applies, effectively allowing the states involved to leave the treaty with no notice. This is a necessary argument to support the NATO nuclear weapons sharing policy, but a troubling one for the logic of the treaty. NATO's argument is based on the phrase "the consequent need to make every effort to avert the danger of such a war" in the treaty preamble, inserted at the behest of U.S. diplomats, arguing that the treaty would at that point have failed to fulfill its function of prohibiting a general war and thus no longer be binding.[24] Many states do not accept this argument. See United States-NATO nuclear weapons sharing above.

North Korea has also caused an uproar by its use of this provision of the treaty. Article X.1 only requires a state to give three months' notice in total, and does not provide for other states to question a state's interpretation of "supreme interests of its country".
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:53 pm

Chimeion wrote:Israel can do whatever it wants.

Just like any other nation.


But sir, you clearly don't understand. This is a new leftist world order. National sovernghty doesn't mean squat here, only enforcing the will of the majority on the will of the few. And the majority of us enlightened intellects demand Israel do what we say, lest we label them a "rouge nation" :mad:

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:53 pm

Ralkovia wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Israel needs to be more clear about their nuclear program.
In example:
"FUCK WITH US AND WE WILL WIPE YOUR COUNTRY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH YOU GENOCIDAL HOLOCAUST DENOERS!!!"

And that is how any country with a pair would be clear with the world about their nuclear weapons arsenal.


You're trying to evoke sympathy. Not be an international pariah. Though it'd make little difference at this point. Europe already hates Israel. Britain and Germany aren't even firmly on Israel's side.

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So you're a racist?

i dunno

are you?

you're the one that supports them. i was just trying to reach out, bridge gaps. children getting bombed in the night can be really put some distance between people you know. i watched a video where zizek talked to horotowitz and israel came up and zizek had to be physically restrained from unleashing his massive meaty arms onto a laptop. it was crazy.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:22 pm

New Nassrau wrote:More of the UN screwing Israel over... great...
How so?

No, really. How so?

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:23 pm

Risottia wrote:
Hippostania wrote:The UN and its gang of anti-semitic dictators and other scum can go fuck themselves.

Including Finland and America, I guess, which, being UN members, are part of the gang of anti-semitic dictatorships. Right?

This is not the first time I'm saying this, but please, NSGers, don't think Hippostania's comments in any way reflect the general comments of other Finns. There's one in every family, and all that.

Personally, no country that hasn't signed a treaty, should expect other countries to abide by it. If they think the treaty is good, shouldn't they have signed it already? And if they refuse to sign on basis of not wanting to apply it to themselves, they've got no right to demand that of anyone else.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:23 pm

Chimeion wrote:Israel can do whatever it wants.

Just like any other nation.
You may be interested in educating yourself.

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:24 pm

now guys i was just thinking that maybe israel should not get all up in the NPT, because north korea doesn't

north korea and israel are pretty similar, and if north korea is doing it then israel should too

what do you think?
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:28 pm

Hippostania wrote:The UN and its gang of anti-semitic dictators and other scum can go fuck themselves. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and to defend itself it needs to have a wide arsenal of different weapons that mustn't be revealed to the outside world.

ah fuck it while i'm here

hippostania is also in full support of overthrowing democracies in the middle east and supporting dictatorships when it suits his needs, so DA ONLY DEMOCRACY is even more meaningless coming from him
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:30 pm

Souseiseki wrote:north korea and israel are pretty similar, and if north korea is doing it then israel should too

what do you think?

Both are pretty much dictatorships where the population's opinion is ignored, and they don't give a crap about other nations' human rights, unless it's in their own best interests... I can kinda see what you're saying. (Unless it's so heavily shielded sarcasm that I failed to detect it.)
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:39 pm

It should be an effective antidote to Tel Aviv's blatant hypocrisy in grandstanding against Iran's programme.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:19 pm

Well if everyone surrounding them wants to wipe them out (except two nations but now that's up for debate), why the hell should they trust them?

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Postby IshCong » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:41 pm

The God-Realm wrote:
IshCong wrote:
Slight difference. Israel expects Iran to follow the strictures of the agreement Iran signed, and Israel is hardly the only nation that expects this. Israel does not expect itself to have to follow the strictures of an agreement it did not sign.

Isn't that hypocritical?


Not necessarily.
Israel expects Iran to abide by agreements Iran has made.
Israel is simply not making the same agreement.
Hypocrisy would more arise if Israel made the agreement, then chose to not abide by it while simultaneously demanding Iran abide by it.
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:43 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Chimeion wrote:Israel can do whatever it wants.

Just like any other nation.
You may be interested in educating yourself.

Because no one ever flaunts international law and gets away with it.

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Postby IshCong » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:44 pm

Korintar wrote:
Avarnica wrote:They're just afraid that the U.N. will forbide them from possessing nuclear weapons, which is basically asking Iran to nuke Israel.

They should allow the inspectors, but the U.N. shouldn't intervene with Israel's nuclear arsenal, keep it from increasing, yes, but don't disband it completely, it's the only thing keeping Iran from doing what they've wanted to do since Israel was born.


Yeah, just as Iran actually having the bomb would be the only thing to keep Israel from what they'd love to do to Iran.


Iran does not currently have nuclear arms. Israel, currently, almost certainly does. Both have, essentially, been confirmed despite Israel playing the 'neither confirm nor deny' game. If the only thing deterring Israel was an Iranian nuclear option, then they'd presently have no deterrent and so would 'do what they'd love to do to Iran', which your statement seems to suggest is nuking Iran.
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Postby IshCong » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:47 pm

Unuatu wrote:Unfortunately, the UN can't force a country to abide their restrictions. They can do as much as frown upon them.
They can guide, recommend and nag, but they don't have any real power over ANY nation.
If Israel don't want them to know about their nuclear programs, they'll not let any inspectors.
If they don't want to join the NRC, they'll not, and there's little to nothing the UN can do.

Also... Why does the US don't want the UN to inspect Israel's nuclear facilities?
Suspicious... :eyebrow:


Not really suspicious. Israel voted against it, little surprise the US did as well in that context.
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Postby IshCong » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:48 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Chimeion wrote:Israel can do whatever it wants.

Just like any other nation.
You may be interested in educating yourself.


What part of international law applies here, again?
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:55 pm

IshCong wrote:


What part of international law applies here, again?

If you didn't ratify the NPT, you're not covered by it. Am I doing this right?

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Postby Choronzon » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:06 pm

IshCong wrote:


What part of international law applies here, again?

Actually, you're right. None.

Israel never signed the NPT.

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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:06 pm

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Postby Nazis in Space » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:09 pm

IshCong wrote:


What part of international law applies here, again?
Dunno.

Maybe read the post I quoted.

Think about it.

Again.

Really really, really hard.

Got it now?

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:10 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
IshCong wrote:
What part of international law applies here, again?
Dunno.

Maybe read the post I quoted.

Think about it.

Again.

Really really, really hard.

Got it now?

Them North Koreans don't give a shit.

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Postby Choronzon » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:11 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
IshCong wrote:
What part of international law applies here, again?
Dunno.

Maybe read the post I quoted.

Think about it.

Again.

Really really, really hard.

Got it now?

Israel never signed the NPT.

There is no violation.

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Postby Choronzon » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:11 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Dunno.

Maybe read the post I quoted.

Think about it.

Again.

Really really, really hard.

Got it now?

Them North Koreans don't give a shit.

Nor does the United States.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:12 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Dunno.

Maybe read the post I quoted.

Think about it.

Again.

Really really, really hard.

Got it now?

Israel never signed the NPT.

There is no violation.
Maybe read the post I quoted.

Think about it.

Again.

Really really, really hard.

Got it now?

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Postby Democratic Koyro » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:13 pm

Dilange wrote:I actually dont think they have to.


Interesting. Do North Korea and Iran have to?
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