UN tells Israel to let in nuclear inspectors

[La Tropique and StMaurice]

you're really mad

Ok? I dont know what youre talking about. Israel does have the right to build nuclear weapons, but whether or not they have any is still unknown.

i mean that thing with ''laugh in your face''

[IshCong]

While I am certain many posters here support Israel's right to exist, I am also certain most of those same posters would agree Israel needs to be open with their nuclear program if they expect Iran to be.

Yeah, as Someone who is Pro- U.S. and Nuetral to the whole situation in Israel, i'd say that if Isreal is calling for his so much against Iran then they should probably do the same.

Slight difference. Israel expects Iran to follow the strictures of the agreement Iran signed, and Israel is hardly the only nation that expects this. Israel does not expect itself to have to follow the strictures of an agreement it did not sign.

[The God-Realm]

Yeah, as Someone who is Pro- U.S. and Nuetral to the whole situation in Israel, i'd say that if Isreal is calling for his so much against Iran then they should probably do the same.

Slight difference. Israel expects Iran to follow the strictures of the agreement Iran signed, and Israel is hardly the only nation that expects this. Israel does not expect itself to have to follow the strictures of an agreement it did not sign.

Isn't that hypocritical?

[Sdaeriji]

Slight difference. Israel expects Iran to follow the strictures of the agreement Iran signed, and Israel is hardly the only nation that expects this. Israel does not expect itself to have to follow the strictures of an agreement it did not sign.

Isn't that hypocritical?

Not really. Iran is capable of withdrawing from the NPT.

[Al-Faisal]

Slight difference. Israel expects Iran to follow the strictures of the agreement Iran signed, and Israel is hardly the only nation that expects this. Israel does not expect itself to have to follow the strictures of an agreement it did not sign.

Isn't that hypocritical?

Yes. But some Israeli supporters are more zealous than actual Israelis over how it conducts itself.

[Schlauberger]

Slight difference. Israel expects Iran to follow the strictures of the agreement Iran signed, and Israel is hardly the only nation that expects this. Israel does not expect itself to have to follow the strictures of an agreement it did not sign.

Isn't that hypocritical?

Is it hypocritical for a neighbor to expect you to pay your mortgage? I mean, it's not their house nor are they the bank who gave you the loan, but if you fail to pay your mortgage and the house ends up in foreclosure, their home value is also negatively affected.

[Scandavian States]

Yeah, as Someone who is Pro- U.S. and Nuetral to the whole situation in Israel, i'd say that if Isreal is calling for his so much against Iran then they should probably do the same.

Iran signed the NPT, though. And a bunch of countries who also signed the NPT have publicly expressed their desire for Iran to follow its obligations.

[Divair]

Sounds reasonable.

[Korintar]

They're just afraid that the U.N. will forbide them from possessing nuclear weapons, which is basically asking Iran to nuke Israel.

They should allow the inspectors, but the U.N. shouldn't intervene with Israel's nuclear arsenal, keep it from increasing, yes, but don't disband it completely, it's the only thing keeping Iran from doing what they've wanted to do since Israel was born.

Yeah, just as Iran actually having the bomb would be the only thing to keep Israel from what they'd love to do to Iran. When it comes to the nations of the Middle East and the greater Islamic world, my experience is thus: From Israel to Afghanistan, from Iran to Egypt, and from India to Turkey, the people from that part of the world are good people. However, when it comes to any of the governments from that part of the world, I would not trust any of them- Israeli, Arab, Persian, or otherwise.

Personally, I think it might be a good idea to do an inspection of both Israel and Iran's nuclear capabilities- and keep the reports from circulating to either of the two countries, so as to prevent WWIII.

[TomKirk]

The UN has a long and sordid history of singling out Israel for condemnation, while oftentimes ignoring and/or excusing outright genocide comitted by other countries. Israel, rightly or wrongly, sees the UN as a severely biased organization that has it in for them. This latest resolution, which calls only for Israel to join the NPT (and not India, Pakistan or North Korea) is just more proof of that belief.

so you don't have any opinion on whether it's right or wrong for israel to do it you just want to come in and have a hollow bitch about how da evil UN hates the jewz picks on israel and basically say nothing?

Uh... he did not pick the topic, al-Faisal did.

[Dilange]

Okay. okay. Calm down.

Not exactly your place to tell anyone to calm, buddy. If you feel too much heat in the air, call a mod. If you don't think it's a flame, grow a skin and be ready for ANY claim to be challenged. That's how it works.

I really don't think I flamed you, btw.

I wasnt calling it a flame. I was just saying you were being a bit proactive when you proved me wrong.

[Saruhan]

I don't really like the UN anyway, so I really don't care what they have to say

[Scandavian States]

Yeah, just as Iran actually having the bomb would be the only thing to keep Israel from what they'd love to do to Iran.

That's ridiculous. Iran presently has no nuclear capability, yet Israel has done nothing to them. Also, it's not Israel threatening to wipe Iran off the map. However, if Iran ever shows signs of being able to build a deliverable nuke, I don't think Israel is going to have any option but to conduct a preemptive counter-force strike.

[Risottia]

Iran signed the NPT, though. And a bunch of countries who also signed the NPT have publicly expressed their desire for Iran to follow its obligations.

THEIR opinion should be listened to. Because reprocity goes a long way.

[Mirkana]

At this point, I think Israel should simply admit it has nuclear weapons, and refuse the UN inspectors on national security grounds. "No, we're not letting you take a look at our nuclear weapons. Do we look like idiots? We have them, we can use them, and we never signed the NNPT anyway."

[Ralkovia]

You have no idea what the point of having nukes is, do you? They're mainly as a deterrent. If the other country can obliterate you without landing a single soldier on your shores, you are not going to attack them, because that is fucking suicide. If a country doesn't prove it has nukes, then the value as a deterrent is gone.

And with Israel, its basically a policy of "guess and find out"

Well the Arabs haven't attacked in 30 years because of that. Now that Israel possesses nuclear weapons 'destroying Israel' through armed conflict won't be possible.
The arabs are now forced into supply terrorist organizations rather than fighting conventional wars against Israel

[Souseiseki]

And with Israel, its basically a policy of "guess and find out"

Well the Arabs haven't attacked in 30 years because of that. Now that Israel possesses nuclear weapons 'destroying Israel' through armed conflict won't be possible.
The arabs are now forced into supply terrorist organizations rather than fighting conventional wars against Israel

curse those arabs!!!

[Ralkovia]

Well the Arabs haven't attacked in 30 years because of that. Now that Israel possesses nuclear weapons 'destroying Israel' through armed conflict won't be possible.
The arabs are now forced into supply terrorist organizations rather than fighting conventional wars against Israel

curse those arabs!!!

What?

Seriously bro cool out on the hatred of arabs.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Israel needs to be more clear about their nuclear program.
In example:
"FUCK WITH US AND WE WILL WIPE YOUR COUNTRY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH YOU GENOCIDAL HOLOCAUST DENIERS!!!"

And that is how any country with a pair would be clear with the world about their nuclear weapons arsenal.

[Souseiseki]

curse those arabs!!!

What?

Seriously bro cool out on the hatred of arabs.

woah, thanks man, i was going a bit off the rails there

so when's the next golden dawn/EDL fanclub meeting?

[Souseiseki]

Israel needs to be more clear about their nuclear program.
In example:
"FUCK WITH US AND WE WILL WIPE YOUR COUNTRY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH YOU GENOCIDAL HOLOCAUST DENOERS!!!"

And that is how any country with a pair would be clear with the world about their nuclear weapons arsenal.

what if they made nuclear settlements

that'd be pretty freaky

[Ralkovia]

Israel needs to be more clear about their nuclear program.
In example:
"FUCK WITH US AND WE WILL WIPE YOUR COUNTRY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH YOU GENOCIDAL HOLOCAUST DENOERS!!!"

And that is how any country with a pair would be clear with the world about their nuclear weapons arsenal.

You're trying to evoke sympathy. Not be an international pariah. Though it'd make little difference at this point. Europe already hates Israel. Britain and Germany aren't even firmly on Israel's side.

What?

Seriously bro cool out on the hatred of arabs.

woah, thanks man, i was going a bit off the rails there

so when's the next golden dawn/EDL fanclub meeting?

So you're a racist?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Israel needs to be more clear about their nuclear program.
In example:
"FUCK WITH US AND WE WILL WIPE YOUR COUNTRY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH YOU GENOCIDAL HOLOCAUST DENOERS!!!"

And that is how any country with a pair would be clear with the world about their nuclear weapons arsenal.

You're trying to evoke sympathy. Not be an international pariah. Though it'd make little difference at this point. Europe already hates Israel. Britain and Germany aren't even firmly on Israel's side.

I doubt Israel cares about what Europe thinks. Last place I checked, Europe didn't score to high on the "Stopping Anti-Semetic Madmen before they go on a rampage" category...

I think the only two countries Israel bothers not to piss off are India and the USA.

[Unuatu]

Unfortunately, the UN can't force a country to abide their restrictions. They can do as much as frown upon them.
They can guide, recommend and nag, but they don't have any real power over ANY nation.
If Israel don't want them to know about their nuclear programs, they'll not let any inspectors.
If they don't want to join the NRC, they'll not, and there's little to nothing the UN can do.

Also... Why does the US don't want the UN to inspect Israel's nuclear facilities?
Suspicious...

[Chimeion]

Israel can do whatever it wants.

Just like any other nation.