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The Idiots of US History.

Postby Burchadinger » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:13 am

Who do you guys think was the worst idiot of the US in its whole history?
Runners Up - DBC XXV
Third Place - AOCAF XXXIII

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Postby Maurepas » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:14 am

Benedict Arnold, talk about backin the wrong horse, :?

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Postby Something with wings » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:56 am

the police officer who tried to arrest joshua norton
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Postby Allbeama » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:03 am

George W Bush. ;)
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Postby Risottia » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:10 am

Allbeama wrote:George W Bush. ;)


At least he got elected. Twice. Which was what he wanted.

I nominate Gore, for not being able to get a single US senator to sign one of the numerous complaints filed by congressmen against the 2000 elections.
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Postby Robustian » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:14 am

Whoever this person is.... Isn't going to be famous for anything.

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Postby Dashret » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:14 am

John Quincy Adams. He ran against Andrew Jackson. Twice.

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Postby Zeetopolis » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:20 am

Most of the time, the stupid people don't last long enough to make a name for themselves. :D

Jimmy Carter could be it, what with the failure of Desert Storm and his sheer ignorance of how to deal with Russia.
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Postby Dododecapod » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:32 am

Zeetopolis wrote:Most of the time, the stupid people don't last long enough to make a name for themselves. :D

Jimmy Carter could be it, what with the failure of Desert Storm and his sheer ignorance of how to deal with Russia.


Ah, Desert Storm was Bush Senior's (successful) war against Iraq. You're thinking of Carter's attempt to rescue the hostages, Eagle's Claw.
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Postby United Russian State » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:37 am

John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Obama
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Postby Libertarian Governance » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:39 am

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Postby Robustian » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:41 am

Ok... The reason why the dumbest people aren't widely known and famous... Is the same as some advice given to me as a teenager back when I was a logger in Montana...

"There's not a lot of old loggers. There's alot more young loggers. There's some young and dumb loggers, but there's no old and dumb loggers. Either get smart or get out of logging, if you'd like to get old."

I was never once injured in the woods while logging. A couple close calls, though, none of which was anything approaching "mortal". My closest brush with death was from simple hypothermia, less than a mile from home.

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Postby The Scandinvans » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:42 am

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:44 am

This guy: http://cbs4.com/local/Worker.Killed.Man ... lash=false

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone you can really argue against it with.
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Postby North Suran » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:44 am

United Russian State wrote:John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Obama

Laughable nationalist propaganda is laughable.

For someone so keen to distance themselves from the unsavoury elements of the USSR, you seem to be holding quite the blood-feud for Kennedy.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:47 am

United Russian State wrote:John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Obama


Hmmmm. Clinton was a Rhode's scholor. Obama a Constitutional Professor.
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Postby United Russian State » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:50 am

North Suran wrote:
For someone so keen to distance themselves from the unsavoury elements of the USSR, you seem to be holding quite the blood-feud for Kennedy.


Maybe if he wasn't a dumbass and almost started world war three, when America had nukes in Turkey, I wouldn't have a "blood-feud " for him.
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The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions-Omnicracy

NO ONE is poor and suffering in the US- they're pretending that while rollicking in welfare money-Pythria

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Postby Sgt Poke-A-Man » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:51 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:This guy: http://cbs4.com/local/Worker.Killed.Man ... lash=false

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone you can really argue against it with.


How about the dude that severed his mantenna fapping too close to machinery?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:53 am

United Russian State wrote:
North Suran wrote:
For someone so keen to distance themselves from the unsavoury elements of the USSR, you seem to be holding quite the blood-feud for Kennedy.


Maybe if he wasn't a dumbass and almost started world war three, when America had nukes in Turkey, I wouldn't have a "blood-feud " for him.


Ahm? Eisenhower gave them to Turkey.....
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:53 am

Sgt Poke-A-Man wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:This guy: http://cbs4.com/local/Worker.Killed.Man ... lash=false

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone you can really argue against it with.


How about the dude that severed his mantenna fapping too close to machinery?


I'm not sure if that tops accidentally falling into a chipper and getting chipped.
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Postby The Scandinvans » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:54 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
United Russian State wrote:John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Obama
Obama a Constitutional Professor.
Obama being a man who says the Constitution is a living document when the writers of it specifically declared that if people wanted it changed, just pass a damn amendment.
We are the Glorious Empire of the Scandinvans. Surrender or be destroyed. Your civilization has ended, your time is over. Your people will be assimilated into our Empire. Your technological distinctiveness shall be added to our own. Your culture shall be supplanted by our own. And your lands will be made into our lands.

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Postby Sgt Poke-A-Man » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:56 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Sgt Poke-A-Man wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:This guy: http://cbs4.com/local/Worker.Killed.Man ... lash=false

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone you can really argue against it with.


How about the dude that severed his mantenna fapping too close to machinery?


I'm not sure if that tops accidentally falling into a chipper and getting chipped.


Well, I mean, the guy at least has an excuse... maybe he was walking backwards with wood piles and underestimated the distance he was walking and fell backwards into it?

On the other hand, masturbating near machinery is pretty much asking for Karma to answer back.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:56 am

The Scandinvans wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
United Russian State wrote:John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Obama
Obama a Constitutional Professor.
Obama being a man who says the Constitution is a living document when the writers of it specifically declared that if people wanted it changed, just pass a damn amendment.


Passing an amendment is a rather hard thing to do. As such the writers didn't declare it that way.....
Last edited by The Black Forrest on Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:57 am

The Scandinvans wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
United Russian State wrote:John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Obama
Obama a Constitutional Professor.
Obama being a man who says the Constitution is a living document when the writers of it specifically declared that if people wanted it changed, just pass a damn amendment.


"Living Constitution" scholars are hardly unknown. It's not that unusual for people to read the letter of the law, look at how the paradigm has changed, and figure that the Constitution would do such-and-such in spirit.

Example - free speech - should apply over phone-lines, yes?

Is it worth trying to amend the Constitution for that? No - speech is speech, even if telephones didn't exist when the Constitution was written.
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Postby The Scandinvans » Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:03 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
The Scandinvans wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
United Russian State wrote:John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Obama
Obama a Constitutional Professor.
Obama being a man who says the Constitution is a living document when the writers of it specifically declared that if people wanted it changed, just pass a damn amendment.


"Living Constitution" scholars are hardly unknown. It's not that unusual for people to read the letter of the law, look at how the paradigm has changed, and figure that the Constitution would do such-and-such in spirit.

Example - free speech - should apply over phone-lines, yes?

Is it worth trying to amend the Constitution for that? No - speech is speech, even if telephones didn't exist when the Constitution was written.
The application of the 1st amendment, in your opinion, is the assumption that modern inventions automatically entails the evolution of the Constitution. However, the more proper way, at least from my standpoint, that no matter how you read it freedom of expression applies to all realms, be it private of public engagements. As long as you don not compromise the property or person of other people you can express yourself freely, without being regulated by the government.

The assumption that speaking on the phone is not within the freedom of expression is a evolution of the Constitution in of itself.
We are the Glorious Empire of the Scandinvans. Surrender or be destroyed. Your civilization has ended, your time is over. Your people will be assimilated into our Empire. Your technological distinctiveness shall be added to our own. Your culture shall be supplanted by our own. And your lands will be made into our lands.

"For five thousand years has our Empire endured. In war and peace we have thrived. Against overwhelming odds we evolved. No matter what we face we have always survived and grown. We shall always be triumphant." -Emperor Godfrey II

Hope for a brighter tomorrow - fight the fight, find the cure

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