Why was Hitler not responsible for the economy being fixed?

[Landenburg]

I understand what communism is.
And I know that the USSR went by: Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism.
True communism is Marxism but won't work.
An ingenious idea that just isn't possible.

[Disserbia]

Stalin killed 60 million over a longer period of time.
You hail him as a hero.
He destroyed the USSR's economy.
He got more things than others did, making him not a true communist.

Who was calling Stalin a hero? No one in the thread is because this thread has nothing to do with him.

[The Remote Islands]

If any of you clowns knew anything about leadership as a skillset you would know that in fact - Hitler was an exemplary leader.

Leadership is about taking a group of people from once place to another, be it physically, spiritually, economically, or other.

Hitler's leadership was so impressive, that an entire generation of people followed him to thier deaths.

Ask any soldier you know, who the best commander they served for was, and if they'd follow them into hell, even if they knew it meant their death, and they'll pick one.


What Hitler was "bad" at was military strategy.

That said, if you still want to critique Hitlers leadership skillset, I would strike as some of the events he micro-managed, and his lack of delegating-to/trusting subordinates completly.

He may have inspired leadership (which technically does make him a 'great leader') but the way he used his power and his leadership sort of invalidates him being a truly great leader. Try asking a Jew.

[Ovisterra]

I understand what communism is.
And I know that the USSR went by: Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism.
True communism is Marxism but won't work.
An ingenious idea that just isn't possible.

You seem to be arguing with someone who is imaginary.

[CTALNH]

Stalin killed 60 million over a longer period of time.
You hail him as a hero.
He destroyed the USSR's economy.
He got more things than others did, making him not a true communist.

First you got a sig with Hitler on it

Second go have a cold shower and think about how the heck did Stalin achieve to kill 60 million people and still have the a influx of people.

[The Mighty Warrior Horse]

Stalin killed 20 million over a longer period of time.
You hail him as a hero.
He fixed the dismantled USSR economy.
He got more things than others did, making him not a true communist.

Please. Use the quote button. We have no clue who you are talking to.

I fixed his post to be accurate.

[The Corparation]

Stalin killed 60 million over a longer period of time.
You hail him as a hero.
He destroyed the USSR's economy.
He got more things than others did, making him not a true communist.

A mod has kindly asked for the thread jack to end. I'd advise doing so. Or starting a new topic even if you really want to keep this going.

[The Remote Islands]

I understand what communism is.
And I know that the USSR went by: Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism.
True communism is Marxism but won't work.
An ingenious idea that just isn't possible.

You seem to be arguing with someone who is imaginary.

If you carefully consider his point of view, it's not too far gone to conclude that this may very well be the case. Not that I'm actually paying any more attention to him...

[Ostroeuropa]

You speak as if America, France, England, and Russia had nothing to do with the deaths.

Yes, because its soooooooo easy to invade a country like ww2 Germany backed by at 1st one of the top 3 military's in the world. Please, explain how easy this is.
France was taken over by the nazis
Britain could barley fight with France
Russia couldn't fight a 1 front only war with Germany
And America couldn't fight Japan and Germany alone.
There main objective was to defeat Germany, not stop the holacaust.

To be fair,it's thanks to a tactical blunder at ardennes, the war happened.
If the British/French army had believed that the germans were going through the ardennes as scouts reported (Rather than believing it a diversion) the German army would have been utterly annihilated because the terrain of the ardennes SEVERELY handicapped them.
We would have a "Stupid germans" stereotype instead of a "Cowardly french" stereotype.
"Lol, you guys are so stupid. Why the ardennes? Srsly, that was dumb."
The fact that the germans snuck past, cut off supply routes, and basically captured the entire french army is what allowed them to occupy france. Most of the military build up occured AFTER that, thanks in part to looting france.

[Divair]

I understand what communism is.
And I know that the USSR went by: Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism.
True communism is Marxism but won't work.
An ingenious idea that just isn't possible.

Use. The. Quote. Button.
And "true communism" isn't Marxism. There are many variants of communism. The USSR's models, however, were, by definition, not communist.


Now get back on topic. This is a thread about Hitler, not Stalin.

[Senkaku]

First off, the Third Reich was a totalitarian dictatorship.

Second, everyone hated the jews, so why no blame them for your problems? Americans do it with Muslims and Mexicans.

Third, Hitler may have killed 6 million, but STALIN killed 60 MILLION.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

The Third Reich was a Fascist totalitarian dictatorship.

Stalin did not kill 60 million, only about twenty. Hitler killed 10-15.

So check yourself before you wreck yourself.

[The Remote Islands]

Okay. You know what? This thread needs some Hogan's Heroes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8xs3ZxBpG8

[Landenburg]

Stalin killed 60 million over a longer period of time.
You hail him as a hero.
He destroyed the USSR's economy.
He got more things than others did, making him not a true communist.

First you got a sig with Hitler on it

Second go have a cold shower and think about how the heck did Stalin achieve to kill 60 million people and still have the a influx of people.

And the problem with my signature is?
Influx of people: Annexing countries and how EVERY baby was made (Let me draw you a picture, it involves moaning. Lots.)

[The Mighty Warrior Horse]

Yes, because its soooooooo easy to invade a country like ww2 Germany backed by at 1st one of the top 3 military's in the world. Please, explain how easy this is.
France was taken over by the nazis
Britain could barley fight with France
Russia couldn't fight a 1 front only war with Germany
And America couldn't fight Japan and Germany alone.
There main objective was to defeat Germany, not stop the holacaust.

To be fair,it's thanks to a tactical blunder at ardennes, the war happened.
If the British/French army had believed that the germans were going through the ardennes as scouts reported (Rather than believing it a diversion) the German army would have been utterly annihilated because the terrain of the ardennes SEVERELY handicapped them.
We would have a "Stupid germans" stereotype instead of a "Cowardly french" stereotype.
"Lol, you guys are so stupid. Why the ardennes? Srsly, that was dumb."
The fact that the germans snuck past, cut off supply routes, and basically captured the entire french army is what allowed them to occupy france. Most of the military build up occured AFTER that, thanks in part to looting france.

Holy shi*
Someone who knows what there talking about.

[Jewish-Polish Empire]

Nobody knows how many people in total were killed in the Holocaust, but it was between 11 and 17 million people.

17 million? No. The most recent estimates are between 10 and 12, with most people agreeing roughly 11.

Actually, yes. The most extreme estimates put it at 17 million. And while they may not be accurate, he was just being fair to mention them. I do agree, that it was somewhere between 11 and 12 million.

[Landenburg]

First off, the Third Reich was a totalitarian dictatorship.

Second, everyone hated the jews, so why no blame them for your problems? Americans do it with Muslims and Mexicans.

Third, Hitler may have killed 6 million, but STALIN killed 60 MILLION.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

The Third Reich was a Fascist totalitarian dictatorship.

Stalin did not kill 60 million, only about twenty. Hitler killed 10-15.

So check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Hitler killed about 6 - 11 million.
Stalin did widespread executions.
Where are your sources?

[Vredlandia]

The only bad things Hitler did was killing the Jews and starting a world war, but if he didn't do these things Hitler was maybe the best leader of Germany in history. Because he made jobs and roads

Speaking as a german in favor for monarchism (Oh mein Preußenland, wo bist du nur? ): No, he wasn't. The jobs he made were mostly temporary (you can't build roads all the time) and almost everybody was oppressed. Further he would have killed his own people just to win the war (he ordered to blow up important supply devices, but the order was changed by an officer (I think Speer, I'm not sure though)).

I have to admit I like his architectural idea though

[Ralkovia]

There was somebody on these forums who had a lot of info in their sig explaining why Hitler didn't 'fix' the German economy and how the statement 'he was a good leader apart from the Holocaust thing' is untrue.

Can someone help me find this person? I'm in an argument with a Nazi at the moment.

Hitler had an economy like the Vikings did. Based heavily on war time looting of conqured gold reserves. His economy was huge on spending and kept taxes low for his "Aryans" leading to a massive debt that was made up by forced labor and looting.

Nazism has horrible economics compared to fascism. Fascism is somewhat capitalist. Nazism doesn't work.

[Laerod]

The Third Reich was a Fascist totalitarian dictatorship.

Stalin did not kill 60 million, only about twenty. Hitler killed 10-15.

So check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Hitler killed about 6 - 11 million.
Stalin did widespread executions.
Where are your sources?

That's not the topic of the thread, is it?

[Ostroeuropa]

The only bad things Hitler did was killing the Jews and starting a world war, but if he didn't do these things Hitler was maybe the best leader of Germany in history. Because he made jobs and roads

Speaking as a german in favor for monarchism (Oh mein Preußenland, wo bist du nur? ): No, he wasn't. The jobs he made were mostly temporary (you can't build roads all the time) and almost everybody was oppressed. Further he would have killed his own people just to win the war (he ordered to blow up important supply devices, but the order was changed by an officer (I think Speer, I'm not sure though)).

I have to admit I like his architectural idea though

As an architect he was actually pretty good.
It's part of the tradgedy of the man really, he should have been an architect. I can cope with someone being a massive racist if they are an architect, after all, its not effecting their art...proooobabbbllly...

[Landenburg]

Hitler killed about 6 - 11 million.
Stalin did widespread executions.
Where are your sources?

That's not the topic of the thread, is it?

You can't use that excuse if you ALSO went off topic.

[Rashuta]

Well he did help the Economy, but it was through the very fascist coercive force that made him infamous (such as stealing money from Jewish businesses), so it's not like if Hitler had been dissuaded from pogroms and fascism that he would have independently solved the German economy

[Laerod]

The only bad things Hitler did was killing the Jews and starting a world war, but if he didn't do these things Hitler was maybe the best leader of Germany in history. Because he made jobs and roads

Speaking as a german in favor for monarchism (Oh mein Preußenland, wo bist du nur? ): No, he wasn't. The jobs he made were mostly temporary (you can't build roads all the time) and almost everybody was oppressed. Further he would have killed his own people just to win the war (he ordered to blow up important supply devices, but the order was changed by an officer (I think Speer, I'm not sure though)).

I have to admit I like his architectural idea though

Speer said Hitler had given him the order and that Speer then decided not to act on it. Unverfied claim, but there's a good chance it's true.

[Landenburg]

Speaking as a german in favor for monarchism (Oh mein Preußenland, wo bist du nur? ): No, he wasn't. The jobs he made were mostly temporary (you can't build roads all the time) and almost everybody was oppressed. Further he would have killed his own people just to win the war (he ordered to blow up important supply devices, but the order was changed by an officer (I think Speer, I'm not sure though)).

I have to admit I like his architectural idea though

As an architect he was actually pretty good.
It's part of the tradgedy of the man really, he should have been an architect. I can cope with someone being a massive racist if they are an architect, after all, its not effecting their art...proooobabbbllly...

He would have been fine if he built white buildings and stayed away from statues. Lol.

[Laerod]

That's not the topic of the thread, is it?

You can't use that excuse if you ALSO went off topic.

I am the topic of the thread. Not even lying.