Why was Hitler not responsible for the economy being fixed?

[Paixao]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what about the Norweigian Heavy Water (Deuterium) Plants that the Brits took out? I was of the opinion that they were a key factor in the German atom bomb program that, had they remained, could have given Germany the edge...?

No. The German nuclear program was ... dead in the heavy water, so to speak.

Haha, thanks for correcting me.

[The Remote Islands]

I seem to recall that until WWII, Hitler liked to sleep in. One has to wonder just how lucky he was to become TEH FUHRER.

Not just until WWII. His own secretary is recorded to have said, when he was staying at the Berghoff (holiday home - not that a leader like him should really ever be on holiday...) "He would wake up at 10am, but would not leave his room until 2pm, whereapon he would have lunch. In the afternoon he liked to take long walks, that would often take up to 4 hours. Finally, in the evening, he would watch his favorite films"

He was incredibly lazy, but a fantastic speaker and an even better poster boy for the whole thing. Taking power wasn't all luck... he had some considerable political skill, but keeping it involved a LOT of luck.

That sounds about right. I believe he watched The Great Dictator (Charlie Chaplin's awesome deconstruction of the Nazis, made in 1049)...twice.

Also, relevant:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ww2.gif

Also also:

I'm more then a little curious about the kill scores hitler and Satlin have. Since no one can seem to agree how do you know for certain what it is?

Honestly; once you started getting into the millions, does it even matter? Both regimes were seriously, morally, screwed up.

But Stalin had a bitchin' moustache!

[Laerod]

Remote Islands, I'm reasonably sure the whole bit about graphic content is why Uncyclopedia is one of the "don't link" sites here.

[The Corparation]

I seem to recall that until WWII, Hitler liked to sleep in. One has to wonder just how lucky he was to become TEH FUHRER.

Not just until WWII. His own secretary is recorded to have said, when he was staying at the Berghoff (holiday home - not that a leader like him should really ever be on holiday...) "He would wake up at 10am, but would not leave his room until 2pm, whereapon he would have lunch. In the afternoon he liked to take long walks, that would often take up to 4 hours. Finally, in the evening, he would watch his favorite films"

He was incredibly lazy, but a fantastic speaker and an even better poster boy for the whole thing. Taking power wasn't all luck... he had some considerable political skill, but keeping it involved a LOT of luck.

If I recall correctly some of the screw-ups on D-Day from the Germans resulted from the fact that key units could only be dipsatched at his personal command and no one wanted to wake him up early to tell him they've been invaded.

[The Remote Islands]

Remote Islands, I'm reasonably sure the whole bit about graphic content is why Uncyclopedia is one of the "don't link" sites here.

I'm afraid I didn't know that. Shame; the image that I linked isn't very graphic at all (it's World War II in the guise of an online game, complete with Hitler[AoE] going "HAaXX0RZ!!1").

[The Darwinian People]

Remote Islands, I'm reasonably sure the whole bit about graphic content is why Uncyclopedia is one of the "don't link" sites here.

I'm afraid I didn't know that. Shame; the image that I linked isn't very graphic at all (it's World War II in the guise of an online game, complete with Hitler[AoE] going "HAaXX0RZ!!1").

For what it's worth; it gave me a chuckle.

[The Remote Islands]

I'm afraid I didn't know that. Shame; the image that I linked isn't very graphic at all (it's World War II in the guise of an online game, complete with Hitler[AoE] going "HAaXX0RZ!!1").

For what it's worth; it gave me a chuckle.

Thanks, pal.

[Great Concordia]

Well, you see, my friend, Hitler was a bad person.

And saying good things about bad people is a crime against sensitivity.

[Choronzon]

Because many people can't admit that someone who did horrible things might also have done some good things.


Things are way easier when the world is black and white, and everyone is either a monster or an angel.

[Pictor]

i dont think he was a good strategist nor a good leader. he was a rather okay one. many people think that sure he was a racist fu.ck but he was a good leader but they"re wrong! he managed to kill lots of people but killing people is easy.(to make sure they stay alive is hard)
he made a really bad dicision against what his advisers told him and attacked Russia in cold season. a good leader and strategist wouldn't do that.

The Germans were in Russia for quite a bit more than just a season. Try about 4 years.

the invasion of russia by germans called Operation Barbarossa started in late june and if you knew russia you'd know that was a freezing and snowy month.

he failed to acquire the knowledge of atomic bomb and basically failed to finish what he started(not that i wanted him to by the way)

There was never really a German equivalent to the Manhattan Project.

yes but they failed to get the bomb before u.s after all Einstein was a German physicist and if hitler knew what to do he may have gotten the knowledge to build an atomic bomb

and if you see that he got where he got it was because of his good military officers and leaders.

Not entirely. The Fall of France was primarily on his initiative and went against what his military advisers told him to do, which is why he was so confident in his own abilities afterwards.

thats why i said an okay leader he was okay but not great.

although i think he was a good politician because he did manage to take over the German government and established himself as a Führer and united the Germans with racism,hatred toward jews and great propaganda.

Germany was far less united than you seem to realize.

it was united enough for him to build a strong army more than 8million

Ps.damn how do u write out of the quote? my answers are in laerod quote!

[Laerod]

The Germans were in Russia for quite a bit more than just a season. Try about 4 years.

the invasion of russia by germans called Operation Barbarossa started in late june and if you knew russia you'd know that was a freezing and snowy month.

It's the third hottest month of the year for the area in question, followed by the hottest month and the second hottest month. Regardless, the Nazis were winning a full year after the invasion after which the tide turned. "They lost because they invaded during a cold season" is utter nonsense. Now, the Germans weren't particularly well prepared for Russian winters, but they saw more than one and most certainly didn't start the invasion during one.

he failed to acquire the knowledge of atomic bomb and basically failed to finish what he started(not that i wanted him to by the way)

There was never really a German equivalent to the Manhattan Project.

yes but they failed to get the bomb before u.s after all Einstein was a German physicist and if hitler knew what to do he may have gotten the knowledge to build an atomic bomb

Einstein didn't come up with the idea himself. The Germans weren't trying anywhere near as hard as the Allies, had kicked a good deal of the brightest minds out of the country, had a nonsensical social darwinist approach to government funding, and lost long before the project that actually tried managed to weaponize nuclear material. The Germans weren't going to have nukes.

and if you see that he got where he got it was because of his good military officers and leaders.

Not entirely. The Fall of France was primarily on his initiative and went against what his military advisers told him to do, which is why he was so confident in his own abilities afterwards.

thats why i said an okay leader he was okay but not great.

No, that is not what you said. He didn't get where he was at first because of his leaders.

Germany was far less united than you seem to realize.

it was united enough for him to build a strong army more than 8million

Through terror and the exploitation of German "loyalty".

Ps.damn how do u write out of the quote? my answers are in laerod quote!

By messing around with the quote tags.

[Shofercia]

There was somebody on these forums who had a lot of info in their sig explaining why Hitler didn't 'fix' the German economy and how the statement 'he was a good leader apart from the Holocaust thing' is untrue.

Can someone help me find this person? I'm in an argument with a Nazi at the moment.

Fixing your economy requires you to finish the job. When you're fixing a car, you need to make sure that the car's fixed when you're done. On the other hand, if you're stupid/arrogant enough to invade Russia/USSR and declare war on the US while you're in charge, then no matter how much of your economy you fixed, your economy will still be fucked as a result of your actions.

[GCMG]

I wouldn't say he's a bad leader. He was an evil one, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a highly intelligent and charismatic person.

He wasn't. He lost.

He was charismatic. It was probably the uniform. Or maybe it was those coins.

However, whatever you have to say about Hitler he was a good public speaker. Especially when you remember his policies...

[Cameroi]

war is at best and extremely temporary "solution" to anything. and that's leaving aside moral issues, most of us would prefer not to.

[Germanyball]

He wasn't. He lost.

He was charismatic. It was probably the uniform. Or maybe it was those coins.

However, whatever you have to say about Hitler he was a good public speaker. Especially when you remember his policies...

It's actually easy to turn people into monsters when they aren't looking.

He took a starving country and gave it a common enemy. When he started attacking that enemy the economy started to get a bit better. Sure, it takes a decent public speaker to get up there and start changing minds, but Germany was putty in his charismatic hands.

[GCMG]

There was somebody on these forums who had a lot of info in their sig explaining why Hitler didn't 'fix' the German economy and how the statement 'he was a good leader apart from the Holocaust thing' is untrue.

Can someone help me find this person? I'm in an argument with a Nazi at the moment.

Fixing your economy requires you to finish the job. When you're fixing a car, you need to make sure that the car's fixed when you're done. On the other hand, if you're stupid/arrogant enough to invade Russia/USSR and declare war on the US while you're in charge, then no matter how much of your economy you fixed, your economy will still be fucked as a result of your actions.

Hitler was all about a stronger Germany. He knew he wasn't smart enough to do it. He thought the current politicians were rubbish (hell, he was one of them). He though democracy was useless. He had one option: start a war and make it look like the last one was the problem so someone else would do all the dirty work.

Looking at Germany today, I say this conspiracy vindicates Hitler's non-genocidal long term plans. Although an argument can be made that he created a great foundation myth (no, we're not Nazis!) which would appeal to his ideas of German-ness. A different means of Nazi apologism brought to you by Conspiracy Erratically.

[GCMG]

He was charismatic. It was probably the uniform. Or maybe it was those coins.

However, whatever you have to say about Hitler he was a good public speaker. Especially when you remember his policies...

It's actually easy to turn people into monsters when they aren't looking.

He took a starving country and gave it a common enemy. When he started attacking that enemy the economy started to get a bit better. Sure, it takes a decent public speaker to get up there and start changing minds, but Germany was putty in his charismatic hands.

He gave the Germans quite a lot of enemies.

He was very good at that.

[Germanyball]

It's actually easy to turn people into monsters when they aren't looking.

He took a starving country and gave it a common enemy. When he started attacking that enemy the economy started to get a bit better. Sure, it takes a decent public speaker to get up there and start changing minds, but Germany was putty in his charismatic hands.

He gave the Germans quite a lot of enemies.

He was very good at that.

That he was. But, he tried to stick with one in the beginning, and even then, he didn't do it all at once. It starts with taking their guns so they can't fight back, then slowly eroding their rights by placing more responsibility on the government to provide for them. Before you know it, the government was in a position to round them up and put them in camps, and there were people who honestly believed it was for their own good in the beginning. Then he decided to declare war on sanity...

[GCMG]

He gave the Germans quite a lot of enemies.

He was very good at that.

That he was. But, he tried to stick with one in the beginning, and even then, he didn't do it all at once. It starts with taking their guns so they can't fight back, then slowly eroding their rights by placing more responsibility on the government to provide for them. Before you know it, the government was in a position to round them up and put them in camps, and there were people who honestly believed it was for their own good in the beginning. Then he decided to declare war on sanity...

He started off with many enemies and then made them more. THe politicians are your enemies (stab in the back), the communists (stab in the back again) and the Jews (there's a theme here but he also manipulated existing anti-Semitic feelings). Then there's stuff like the Treaty of Versailles...

[Germanyball]

That he was. But, he tried to stick with one in the beginning, and even then, he didn't do it all at once. It starts with taking their guns so they can't fight back, then slowly eroding their rights by placing more responsibility on the government to provide for them. Before you know it, the government was in a position to round them up and put them in camps, and there were people who honestly believed it was for their own good in the beginning. Then he decided to declare war on sanity...

He started off with many enemies and then made them more. THe politicians are your enemies (stab in the back), the communists (stab in the back again) and the Jews (there's a theme here but he also manipulated existing anti-Semitic feelings). Then there's stuff like the Treaty of Versailles...

I wonder if he'd have been able to pull it off if he'd have just left the Soviets alone before finishing up what he started everywhere else in Europe. Guess we'll never know.

[GCMG]

He started off with many enemies and then made them more. THe politicians are your enemies (stab in the back), the communists (stab in the back again) and the Jews (there's a theme here but he also manipulated existing anti-Semitic feelings). Then there's stuff like the Treaty of Versailles...

I wonder if he'd have been able to pull it off if he'd have just left the Soviets alone before finishing up what he started everywhere else in Europe. Guess we'll never know.

WWII, he may have been able to win if he stopped at France and said, "I'll leave you alone if you leave me alone." And by stopped at France I mean stopped when it had fallen... or, perhaps, sat down at the negotiating table or something... I don't know. But it wouldn't have been the same war.

[Shofercia]

Fixing your economy requires you to finish the job. When you're fixing a car, you need to make sure that the car's fixed when you're done. On the other hand, if you're stupid/arrogant enough to invade Russia/USSR and declare war on the US while you're in charge, then no matter how much of your economy you fixed, your economy will still be fucked as a result of your actions.

Hitler was all about a stronger Germany. He knew he wasn't smart enough to do it. He thought the current politicians were rubbish (hell, he was one of them). He though democracy was useless. He had one option: start a war and make it look like the last one was the problem so someone else would do all the dirty work.

Looking at Germany today, I say this conspiracy vindicates Hitler's non-genocidal long term plans. Although an argument can be made that he created a great foundation myth (no, we're not Nazis!) which would appeal to his ideas of German-ness. A different means of Nazi apologism brought to you by Conspiracy Erratically.

The problem with creating a war to unify your nation, is that you might lose said war, and your nation.

[4years]

There was somebody on these forums who had a lot of info in their sig explaining why Hitler didn't 'fix' the German economy and how the statement 'he was a good leader apart from the Holocaust thing' is untrue.

Can someone help me find this person? I'm in an argument with a Nazi at the moment.

Reasons why Hitler didn't fix the German economy
1. Policies of the Weimar govement took effect after he gained power.
2. Unemployment was artifically low because women and Jews were not counted in the statistics and were made to give up their jobs to those who were. Plus people were in the military fighting the war
3. Production was artifically high because of wartime demand for weapons and such.
4. The economy still sucked if assed on a certian level, like by the living standards of the people.

[GCMG]

Hitler was all about a stronger Germany. He knew he wasn't smart enough to do it. He thought the current politicians were rubbish (hell, he was one of them). He though democracy was useless. He had one option: start a war and make it look like the last one was the problem so someone else would do all the dirty work.

Looking at Germany today, I say this conspiracy vindicates Hitler's non-genocidal long term plans. Although an argument can be made that he created a great foundation myth (no, we're not Nazis!) which would appeal to his ideas of German-ness. A different means of Nazi apologism brought to you by Conspiracy Erratically.

The problem with creating a war to unify your nation, is that you might lose said war, and your nation.

You've got to think in terms of the bigger picture.