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Of the Free Socialist Territories
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:28 pm

Rereumrari wrote:Get a job. /opinion.


You are aware, I hope, that in most if not all Western economies there are more unemployed people than jobs by a considerable margin?
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:28 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Only if you hate freedom and love slavery.

You're the one who supports slavery i.e. slavery to the "common good". I don't give half a fuck about the rest of society. I do what is good for my own interests.


One is not free when one is obligated to subordinate his own desires, goals, and potential to the need to satisfy someone else in order to ensure access to the material requirements of survival.
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Postby North Stradia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:30 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
North Stradia wrote:You're the one who supports slavery i.e. slavery to the "common good". I don't give half a fuck about the rest of society. I do what is good for my own interests.


One is not free when one is obligated to subordinate his own desires, goals, and potential to the need to satisfy someone else in order to ensure access to the material requirements of survival.

Food is not a right.
Housing is not a right.
Medical care is not a right.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:30 pm

Uelvan wrote:Income inequality is a sign of a nation not only prospering but one with a meritocracy.


Income and merit are only incidentally related.

Uelvan wrote:By this I mean, you can get more power and influence if you work hard at becoming rich.


That's not what meritocracy means.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:31 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
One is not free when one is obligated to subordinate his own desires, goals, and potential to the need to satisfy someone else in order to ensure access to the material requirements of survival.

Food is not a right.
Housing is not a right.
Medical care is not a right.

Says you.

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Postby CVT Temp » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:32 pm

North Stradia wrote:Food is not a right.
Housing is not a right.
Medical care is not a right.


Rights are a construct of a given society. Whether something should be a right depends on how feasible it is to implement.
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Postby North Stradia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:32 pm

Divair wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Food is not a right.
Housing is not a right.
Medical care is not a right.

Says you.

Taxation is theft. I should not be forced to subjugate myself to the bottom feeders of society who are too incompetent to get by on their own.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:34 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Divair wrote:Says you.

Taxation is theft. I should not be forced to subjugate myself to the bottom feeders of society who are too incompetent to get by on their own.

Again, says you.

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Postby ALMF » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:34 pm

Inequity is the means of capitalism, it also leads to accumulation of wealth witch disrupts capitalism.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:34 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
One is not free when one is obligated to subordinate his own desires, goals, and potential to the need to satisfy someone else in order to ensure access to the material requirements of survival.

Food is not a right.
Housing is not a right.
Medical care is not a right.


Do you know what the UDHR is?
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:34 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
One is not free when one is obligated to subordinate his own desires, goals, and potential to the need to satisfy someone else in order to ensure access to the material requirements of survival.

Food is not a right.
Housing is not a right.
Medical care is not a right.


Why not?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Postby New Acardia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:34 pm

It is a by product of a healthy economy and society.
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Postby Uelvan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:35 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Uelvan wrote:
Because everyone, who ever got money, ever, is a lying and thieving asshole. Way over generalizing there.

Anyone who possesses in excess of the social mean is, yes.

People who on top got there on work.

Absolutely; it takes a lot of work to set up schemes to lie, cheat, and steal. I don't deny that at all.

The question is, is it the sort of work that is socially beneficial or not? Is it the sort of work that is compatible with a free society or not?

Work hard your whole life, and you'll see success.

Again, depends on what kind of work. Dishonest work, absolutely. Honest work, not at all.


You are really ignorant or lazy if you think 100% of all rich people got there by lying, cheating, stealing, assaulting, and manipulating everyone.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:35 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Divair wrote:Says you.

Taxation is theft. I should not be forced to subjugate myself to the bottom feeders of society who are too incompetent to get by on their own.


Wow. Who taught you this?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby North Stradia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:35 pm

Hippostania wrote:Income inequality is good, because people are not equal. Equality of opportunity is okay, but equality of outcome is a horrible idea. Any attempt by the state to balance income inequalities is immoral and should be discouraged.

This. Except that equality of opportunity is NOT okay. Equality before the law is the only equality I care about.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:35 pm

New acardia wrote:It is a by product of a healthy economy and society.


It's funny, because you assume that capitalism is a healthy economic model.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:35 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Taxation is theft. I should not be forced to subjugate myself to the bottom feeders of society who are too incompetent to get by on their own.


Wow. Who taught you this?

Ayn Rand.

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Postby CVT Temp » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:35 pm

North Stradia wrote:Taxation is theft.


Vacuous rhetoric.

I should not be forced to subjugate myself to the bottom feeders of society who are too incompetent to get by on their own.


Paying taxes is not "subjugation." Only someone with the immense privilege of living in a first world country could possibly conflate paying taxes with enslavement.
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Postby New Acardia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:36 pm

It is a by product of a healthy economy and society.
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Those who stand for nothing fall for everything.
Faith with out works is a dead faith
Evil wins when Good does nothing
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Postby North Stradia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:36 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Food is not a right.
Housing is not a right.
Medical care is not a right.


Do you know what the UDHR is?

Immoral and wrong.
I am a Feudo-capitalist, egoist, and a supporter of plutocracy.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:36 pm

North Stradia wrote:This. Except that equality of opportunity is NOT okay. Equality before the law is the only equality I care about.


So you don't mind discrimination based on race or gender?

North Stradia wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Do you know what the UDHR is?

Immoral and wrong.


That is probably the most amazingly bullshit bullshit I've ever seen on NSG.
Last edited by Of the Free Socialist Territories on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:36 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Divair wrote:Says you.

Taxation is theft. I should not be forced to subjugate myself to the bottom feeders of society who are too incompetent to get by on their own.


No one gets by on their own.

I guess you're down here at the bottom. With everyone else. Eat up.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:36 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Do you know what the UDHR is?

Immoral and wrong.


How so?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby North Stradia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:36 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
North Stradia wrote:This. Except that equality of opportunity is NOT okay. Equality before the law is the only equality I care about.


So you don't mind discrimination based on race or gender?

I don't like it, but idiots have the right to be idiots.
I am a Feudo-capitalist, egoist, and a supporter of plutocracy.
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Postby CVT Temp » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:37 pm

North Stradia wrote:Except that equality of opportunity is NOT okay.


At least one of them finally admits it. "Equality of opportunity" is just another one of their lies.
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