What is your opinion on Income Inequality?

[Zaras]

Communism is all about classless societies. Democratic socialism isn't.

Actually Democratic socialism does indeed support classless societies.

May I suggest you read this?

It's all things I agree with. I'm just not sure how you can stop there, since "socialism" is also the term for the transitional period between capitalism and communism, and it already involves dismantling the state...

[EnragedMaldivians]

Actually Democratic socialism does indeed support classless societies.

May I suggest you read this?

It's all things I agree with. I'm just not sure how you can stop there, since "socialism" is also the term for the transitional period between capitalism and communism, and it already involves dismantling the state...

As a Communist, could you explain to me why you find Communism to be better than Socialism. Is it just the State that you are opposed to? And why do you find statelessness preferrable to the existence of states?

[Bobbyland420]

Statelessness is ideal for anyone with a conscience.

I think anarcho-capitalism is a more realistic ideal than anarcho-communism, though.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

It's all things I agree with. I'm just not sure how you can stop there, since "socialism" is also the term for the transitional period between capitalism and communism, and it already involves dismantling the state...

As a Communist, could you explain to me why you find Communism to be better than Socialism. Is it just the State that you are opposed to? And why do you find statelessness preferrable to the existence of states?

Man needs a state!

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Statelessness is ideal for anyone with a conscience.

Why?

[Bobbyland420]

Statelessness is ideal for anyone with a conscience.

Why?

Why? The same reason that a world without gangsters is ideal.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Why?

Why? The same reason that a world without gangsters is ideal.

Don't cop out of this. You made a statement. Back it up with something other than cryptic nonsense.

[Bug Out]

Bug, seriously, learn how the quotetags work.

Sure it does as some are more socialist, some are communist, some totalitarian, ect. depending on what the people were used to. If they were used to being controlled, they will continue to fight for some form of controlled government.

"Controlled". Typical libertarianspeak.

Maybe in Canada, not here.

Source this or else you're pulling shit out of your ass. People who fraud welfare are a minority in any country.

I don't spend a lot of time on chat. I don't type well or fast. Uncle Arthur moved into my fingers and made it worse.

You should report him to the police then.

Maybe where you are.

Everywhere.

It's illegal here too, but I've never heard of it being enforced, and I would have heard!

It's not my fault you're too damn lazy to do research.

This is where the most poor are! There are other places, but not with the numbers that are anywhere near these.

Stop and ask yourself why reservations are the poorest. And why projects.

It's not like a history of discrimination and marginalisation has anything to do with it. Nah, they're just lazy!

Neither one has any effect on poor having children they can afford.

If somebody has a kid they can't afford because their crazy parents made them think abortion is evil, then yes, it has an effect.

They all go to the health dept where birth control of all types are and have been free and almost without questions for 40 years.

The same departments that get picketed and attacked by idiot fundamentalist cunts?

I spent some time there and in the rest of Europe.

Your knowledge of Europe is still kinda lacking.

Not pretending a thing.

Yes, pretending.

Can you think of another reason to be on the dole other than lazy?

There are plenty of reasons to be on the dole when you've fallen on hard times. But you don't care because you want all poor people to die.

Silly? In your eyes? That's a compliment.

Thanks for reinforcing my point about your stupid worldview.

No not comparing, some are parasites.

Dehumanisation is fun, eh? Let's herd 'em all into camps too!

You are so full of shit!

Quit projecting.

You have no idea just like most lefties.

Quit projecting.

I can take you and sit you in the living room of hundreds within 25 miles of me.

Going ITG really means you don't have an argument.

You seem not to be able to be callous as you seem to be reliant on a teet of someone or something to keep you, at least at the moment. You did say you had no income, correct? I don't advocate killing anyone.

How about you not try to mindread me, because you always fail?

Of course you don't advocate having two jobs, you just want someone else to so they can give so you don't have to have one.

What the fuck did I just say? Shut up with the idiotic attempts to guess my thinking, because you can't.

Don't take that personally as the you is implied to a group.

Group generalisations are a logical fallacy. Hence, your so-called "argument" is shit.

I don't know your reasons for not working, so I won't pretend to attach an opinion.

And yet you said earlier that I'm happy to rely on other people when that's not the case? WTF? Hypocrisy, much?

You can't understand why people don't want to support other people that do nothing and I can't understand why anyone would want anyone else to support them.

You can't understand that poor people and people who have hard luck in their lives are people too, and that the idea that "they do nothing" is a myth spread by right-wing fuckers to get other people to support attacks on social services.

You feel entitled to a good life because you exist.

Wrong. Stop fucking trying to tell me what I think when I already know what I think.

Since trying to have a civil conversation with you is a total waste of time as you don't converse, you attack as most lefties do any argument that is based on logic or facts that doesn't agree with their beliefs. Had you given me any proof or logic of your beliefs, we could have had a decent debate. Common sense does not dwell in you. Your attacks are why you are so ignorant, and why you will never convince anyone that you might even have a point as you are too busy cursing and trying to berate them as you quote out of context. You may not always be on the dole, but you will always be a bitter person in need of entitlement.

[Bobbyland420]

Why? The same reason that a world without gangsters is ideal.

Don't cop out of this. You made a statement. Back it up with something other than cryptic nonsense.

It can be funny how far removed some people are yes that comment is entirely legitimate and you are in storybook land if you don't realize that government is nothing but a monopoly of organized crime.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Don't cop out of this. You made a statement. Back it up with something other than cryptic nonsense.

It can be funny how far removed some people are yes that comment is entirely legitimate and you are in storybook land if you don't realize that government is nothing but a monopoly of organized crime.

So, in other words, you just came here to spout vapid rhetoric, not to support any of your arguments?

[Bobbyland420]

It can be funny how far removed some people are yes that comment is entirely legitimate and you are in storybook land if you don't realize that government is nothing but a monopoly of organized crime.

So, in other words, you just came here to spout vapid rhetoric, not to support any of your arguments?

The initiation of force/use of violence is immoral. Therefore the government is immoral. It's like JK logic here bud.

[EnragedMaldivians]

It can be funny how far removed some people are yes that comment is entirely legitimate and you are in storybook land if you don't realize that government is nothing but a monopoly of organized crime.

So, in other words, you just came here to spout vapid rhetoric, not to support any of your arguments?

No, no. Don't drive him away. Let's indulge him. I find his views to be highly entertaining.

Public schools are government schools. Government schools are military schools. The Iraq war and defense of which by the pointy heads to this day has proven that America is a volatile, aggressive, unpredictable nation. Ready to fight for whoever gives the most money to the presidential candidate.

The United States has become nothing but the military/logistics/propaganda wing of the lingering British Empire.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

So, in other words, you just came here to spout vapid rhetoric, not to support any of your arguments?

The initiation of force/use of violence is immoral. Therefore the government is immoral. It's like JK logic here bud.

You're inching toward a point, sort of. At least I can see a vague train of thought. You need to elaborate, though. What is it about "the government" that means violence must always be associated with it? And is violence never justifiable?

And what the hell is "JK logic"?

[Bobbyland420]

The initiation of force/use of violence is immoral. Therefore the government is immoral. It's like JK logic here bud.

You're inching toward a point, sort of. At least I can see a vague train of thought. You need to elaborate, though. What is it about "the government" that means violence must always be associated with it? And is violence never justifiable?

And what the hell is "JK logic"?

The government is the owner of you, me, and everyone. Their ownership of humans is based on the initiatory use of force(they arbitrarily demand you to obey by their rules despite you owning your own land)

Initiating violence is never justifiable, no, sorry.

Oh ya and JK=Junior Kindergarten, school when your 4 years old...

[Delanshar]

Don't cop out of this. You made a statement. Back it up with something other than cryptic nonsense.

It can be funny how far removed some people are yes that comment is entirely legitimate and you are in storybook land if you don't realize that government is nothing but a monopoly of organized crime.

You can't just make a statement then refuse to back it up at all

[The Joseon Dynasty]

You're inching toward a point, sort of. At least I can see a vague train of thought. You need to elaborate, though. What is it about "the government" that means violence must always be associated with it? And is violence never justifiable?

And what the hell is "JK logic"?

The government is the owner of you, me, and everyone. Their ownership of humans is based on the initiatory use of force(they arbitrarily demand you to obey by their rules despite you owning your own land)

Initiating violence is never justifiable, no, sorry.

Oh ya and JK=Junior Kindergarten, school when your 4 years old...

Why does the government own me? What about our legal system is arbitrary?

And, by the way, land ownership is a legal concept. You own your land because you legally own your land, a concept which the government provides and enforces.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

You're inching toward a point, sort of. At least I can see a vague train of thought. You need to elaborate, though. What is it about "the government" that means violence must always be associated with it? And is violence never justifiable?

And what the hell is "JK logic"?

The government is the owner of you, me, and everyone. Their ownership of humans is based on the initiatory use of force(they arbitrarily demand you to obey by their rules despite you owning your own land)

Initiating violence is never justifiable, no, sorry.

Oh ya and JK=Junior Kindergarten, school when your 4 years old...

There's something called a social contract...

[Bobbyland420]

The government is the owner of you, me, and everyone. Their ownership of humans is based on the initiatory use of force(they arbitrarily demand you to obey by their rules despite you owning your own land)

Initiating violence is never justifiable, no, sorry.

Oh ya and JK=Junior Kindergarten, school when your 4 years old...

There's something called a social contract...

hahahah

Yeah there sure is, and it goes something like this: I own you, and your property, I allow you to keep X of what you earn. You don't like it? DO SOMETHIN'.

There's your social contract.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

There's something called a social contract...

hahahah

Yeah there sure is, and it goes something like this: I own you, and your property, I allow you to keep X of what you earn. You don't like it? DO SOMETHIN'.

There's your social contract.

Oh for gods sake nobody owns u. There are real slaves in this world and u spit in their face by comparing yourself to them.

quit it with the deranged hyperbole
The great souled understand the purpose of the state

[Bobbyland420]

hahahah

Yeah there sure is, and it goes something like this: I own you, and your property, I allow you to keep X of what you earn. You don't like it? DO SOMETHIN'.

There's your social contract.

Oh for gods sake nobody owns u. There are real slaves in this world and u spit in their face by comparing yourself to them.

quit it with the deranged hyperbole

Your emotional crap has been heard before. You didn't refute what I said.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Oh for gods sake nobody owns u. There are real slaves in this world and u spit in their face by comparing yourself to them.

quit it with the deranged hyperbole

Your emotional crap has been heard before. You didn't refute what I said.

You haven't supported what you said. (See my dangling questions above)

I'm trying to direct you toward a substantial argument.

[Zaras]

It's all things I agree with. I'm just not sure how you can stop there, since "socialism" is also the term for the transitional period between capitalism and communism, and it already involves dismantling the state...

As a Communist, could you explain to me why you find Communism to be better than Socialism. Is it just the State that you are opposed to? And why do you find statelessness preferrable to the existence of states?

It's less that I find it better and more that I traditionally think of "socialism" as the transitional stage towards communism. It's not just the dismantling of the state, also the fact that in a communist society the means of production would be owned collectively instead of socially.

I realise that states are something that don't go away that easily, but I find the idea of self-governing, anarcho-communist society appealing and interesting. Self-governance and the absence of a state might mean that certain problems won't be as drastic or could be solved more easily, and direct democracy is an idea right up my alley.

[Zaras]

Since trying to have a civil conversation with you is a total waste of time as you don't converse,

Yeah, I definitely remember the part where I didn't reply to your posts. Oh wait...

you attack as most lefties do

Generalisation.

any argument that is based on logic or facts that doesn't agree with their beliefs.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Had you given me any proof or logic of your beliefs, we could have had a decent debate.

I could say the same for your fallacy-ridden posts.

Common sense does not dwell in you.

So? Common sense is quite a mythical beast.

Your attacks are why you are so ignorant

You haven't proved that.

and why you will never convince anyone that you might even have a point as you

I don't try to convince people. I've never changed my opinion or seen anyone else change their opinion as a result of a debate.

are too busy cursing and trying to berate them as you quote out of context.

At least I can actually use the quotetags...

You may not always be on the dole, but you will always be a bitter person in need of entitlement.

Awwww, isn't that cute, the libertarian is trying to psychoanalyze me. What's next, you want to know about my mother or something?

[New Bierstaat]

Statelessness is ideal for anyone with a conscience.

I think anarcho-capitalism is a more realistic ideal than anarcho-communism, though.

Out of curiosity, how does capitalism survive without a state? Capitalism needs a central government. Just not a very strong one.

[Mendersalv]

that is very true i will ask my government teacher this!