Bobbyland420 wrote:My opinion is that it is an unfortunate yet unavoidable part of life.
The extreme version shouldn't be that unavoidable...
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by Zaras » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:35 pm
Bobbyland420 wrote:My opinion is that it is an unfortunate yet unavoidable part of life.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:

by The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:36 pm

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:36 pm
Zaras wrote:Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Because that way we can see once and for all which version is superior. Plus everyone can choose to live in whatever kind of society they want.
I'd argue that this is as democratic as you can get.
You already know what I'm going to argue: this is as stupid as an idea can get.

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:37 pm

by The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:40 pm

by Bobbyland420 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:41 pm

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:42 pm

by The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:49 pm
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
I'd suggest learning some economics before attempting to develop (rather odd) solutions to economic issues.
I'd say rather odd is just what we need. Plus I may not hav taken economics but I know a lot about world history and also internation studies courses that teach about regional economics.

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:54 pm
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
I'd say rather odd is just what we need. Plus I may not hav taken economics but I know a lot about world history and also internation studies courses that teach about regional economics.
That's insufficient. If you're attempting to develop a framework that will resolve economic issues (an arguably impossible task), you need to have a deep and varied understanding of the discipline in which you're dabbling. You need to understand all of the mechanisms that govern economic decision-making, and the models that reflect and predict the effectiveness of various prescriptions.
The equivalent of what you're doing is trying to cure a complicated disease with only a tangential knowledge of medicine. What you'll come up with is something simplistic, entirely inaccurate and possibly quite harmful.

by The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:58 pm
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
That's insufficient. If you're attempting to develop a framework that will resolve economic issues (an arguably impossible task), you need to have a deep and varied understanding of the discipline in which you're dabbling. You need to understand all of the mechanisms that govern economic decision-making, and the models that reflect and predict the effectiveness of various prescriptions.
The equivalent of what you're doing is trying to cure a complicated disease with only a tangential knowledge of medicine. What you'll come up with is something simplistic, entirely inaccurate and possibly quite harmful.
Your arguement assumes that economic problems exist in a vaccum and can only be solved by economics. I believe that most economic issues have political and social roots. I seek to rectify said roots.

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:01 pm
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Your arguement assumes that economic problems exist in a vaccum and can only be solved by economics. I believe that most economic issues have political and social roots. I seek to rectify said roots.
They do. But economic issues, by definition, are chiefly related to economics. Incorporating other disciplines can only improve your outlook, certainly, but you're ignoring the core field entirely.
If you go fishing with a whole set of shiny hooks, they'll only improve your chances of catching a fish. But if you forget to bring the rod, you won't be catching anything. Do you see?

by Zaras » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:03 pm

Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:

by Zaras » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:03 pm
Darvia wrote:Income inequality is bad as it oppresses the poor. that is why I am for classless societies, but i'm not communist. I'm democratic socialist.

Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:

by The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:04 pm
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
They do. But economic issues, by definition, are chiefly related to economics. Incorporating other disciplines can only improve your outlook, certainly, but you're ignoring the core field entirely.
If you go fishing with a whole set of shiny hooks, they'll only improve your chances of catching a fish. But if you forget to bring the rod, you won't be catching anything. Do you see?
I get that. But this is why I will have economic consultants to help me properly implement this idea.

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:05 pm

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:07 pm
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
I get that. But this is why I will have economic consultants to help me properly implement this idea.
You've missed the point. Your problem isn't with implementing the idea, it's with the idea itself. You've conceived something without any knowledge of the discipline in which it's based.
You need to learn economics in detail, and then return to these issues. Otherwise your "economic consultants", if they're worth their salt, will quite quickly inform you why your idea isn't feasible whatsoever.

by Darvia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:08 pm

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:18 pm
Darvia wrote:
Actually Democratic socialism does indeed support classless societies.
May I suggest you read this?

by The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:20 pm
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
You've missed the point. Your problem isn't with implementing the idea, it's with the idea itself. You've conceived something without any knowledge of the discipline in which it's based.
You need to learn economics in detail, and then return to these issues. Otherwise your "economic consultants", if they're worth their salt, will quite quickly inform you why your idea isn't feasible whatsoever.
I guess we won't know for sure unless we give it a try. Most great ideas require some form of a leap of faith.

by Greater Nilfgaard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:22 pm
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
I guess we won't know for sure unless we give it a try. Most great ideas require some form of a leap of faith.
Most great ideas are conceived by people with an open mind, who constantly re-evaluate and re-examine their concepts, seek criticism and contributions from others, ground their ideas in identifiable theory, etc. Even with all that, only after a rigorous and meticulous analysis, people might be willing to implement it. Maybe.
You're not doing any of these things. You haven't left first base. You have a skeleton of an idea, which you've developed while missing critical chunks of information about the subject in which you're dabbling.
So, my advice, open your mind and go learn something. You'll be a better person for it.

by The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:22 pm
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Most great ideas are conceived by people with an open mind, who constantly re-evaluate and re-examine their concepts, seek criticism and contributions from others, ground their ideas in identifiable theory, etc. Even with all that, only after a rigorous and meticulous analysis, people might be willing to implement it. Maybe.
You're not doing any of these things. You haven't left first base. You have a skeleton of an idea, which you've developed while missing critical chunks of information about the subject in which you're dabbling.
So, my advice, open your mind and go learn something. You'll be a better person for it.
I have a very open mind. Actually I've changed my plan considerably since it's first conception. For instance at first I called for an abolishment of religion then I didn't

by Darvia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:23 pm
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:Darvia wrote:Actually Democratic socialism does indeed support classless societies.
May I suggest you read this?
Ugh!

by EnragedMaldivians » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:28 pm
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Most great ideas are conceived by people with an open mind, who constantly re-evaluate and re-examine their concepts, seek criticism and contributions from others, ground their ideas in identifiable theory, etc. Even with all that, only after a rigorous and meticulous analysis, people might be willing to implement it. Maybe.
You're not doing any of these things. You haven't left first base. You have a skeleton of an idea, which you've developed while missing critical chunks of information about the subject in which you're dabbling.
So, my advice, open your mind and go learn something. You'll be a better person for it.
I have a very open mind. Actually I've changed my plan considerably since it's first conception. For instance at first I called for an abolishment of religion then I didn't


by The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:45 pm
EnragedMaldivians wrote:Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
I have a very open mind. Actually I've changed my plan considerably since it's first conception. For instance at first I called for an abolishment of religion then I didn't
Your thought process and the logic behind your rebuttals are very strange.
"I called for the abolishment of religion. Then I didn't. This is an example of how I am openminded."
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