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Water Found on the Surface of Mercury

Postby Sentinel XV » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:31 pm

source: nasa.gov
MESSENGER Finds New Evidence for Water Ice at Mercury's Poles

New observations by the MESSENGER spacecraft provide compelling support for the long-held hypothesis that Mercury harbors abundant water ice and other frozen volatile materials in its permanently shadowed polar craters.

Three independent lines of evidence support this conclusion: the first measurements of excess hydrogen at Mercury's north pole with MESSENGER's Neutron Spectrometer, the first measurements of the reflectance of Mercury's polar deposits at near-infrared wavelengths with the Mercury Laser Altimeter (MLA), and the first detailed models of the surface and near-surface temperatures of Mercury's north polar regions that utilize the actual topography of Mercury's surface measured by the MLA. These findings are presented in three papers published online today in Science Express.


This is a truly amazing find! Solid, tangible evidence of water on the surface of Mercury in the form of ice. This is resoundingly good news after the debunking of the supposed microbial life on Mars, and a wonderful day for science.

To clarify: there was solid evidence of water -- in the form of ice -- in several craters near the poles of Mercury. This was found by the MESSENGER spacecraft which has been orbiting Mercury, and was detected in several ways: by neutron spectrometry, by infrared reflection, and by thermal/topography maps. While Mercury isn't exactly hospitable to life even with the presence of water, there was a carbon presence detected in the water. This means that, while not being alive (it is not organic by nature), it can be concluded that organic compounds are prevalent in meteorites and maybe the universe -- some think this is how life on Earth actually started, with the mixture of water and carbon.
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Postby Quintero » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:34 pm

Whether Mercury or Mars, I will be raising my hand, and probably not getting chosen, to be one of the first colonists. ;)

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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:36 pm

Quintero wrote:Whether Mercury or Mars, I will be raising my hand, and probably not getting chosen, to be one of the first colonists. ;)


Who would want to live on Mercury?

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Postby Bojikami » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:36 pm

Quintero wrote:Whether Mercury or Mars, I will be raising my hand, and probably not getting chosen, to be one of the first colonists. ;)

^this. I want to be the first commie in space.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:37 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Quintero wrote:Whether Mercury or Mars, I will be raising my hand, and probably not getting chosen, to be one of the first colonists. ;)

^this. I want to be the first commie in space.


Yuri beat you to it.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:38 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Quintero wrote:Whether Mercury or Mars, I will be raising my hand, and probably not getting chosen, to be one of the first colonists. ;)


Who would want to live on Mercury?

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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:39 pm

I have been thinking the same.
What if there was life on mercury/venus, and then for some reason (environmental, nuclear war) they all died, and thousands of years later life arises on earth, and history is going to repeat itself with life on earth dying and then life arising on Mars?
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Postby The Grand World Order » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:39 pm

Bojikami wrote:^this. I want to be the first commie in space.


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IIRC, Mercury is completely uninhabitable, regardless of there being water there. The sheer proximity to the sun would make a colony on Mercury and utter nightmare, even if it's not quite as hot due to a lack of atmosphere.
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Postby Nervbraiain » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:40 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Quintero wrote:Whether Mercury or Mars, I will be raising my hand, and probably not getting chosen, to be one of the first colonists. ;)

^this. I want to be the first commie in space.

I pretty positive there's already been a communist in space China has a space program... not to mention Russia, and when it was the U.S.S.R/Soviet Union.

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Postby Dilange » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:40 pm

Ill call Newt Gingrich, maybe he will establish a base on Mercury as well.

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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:41 pm

Moving Forward Inc wrote:I have been thinking the same.
What if there was life on mercury/venus, and then for some reason (environmental, nuclear war) they all died, and thousands of years later life arises on earth, and history is going to repeat itself with life on earth dying and then life arising on Mars?


There's no reason to think that.

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Postby Grimlundt » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:43 pm

AMAZING! :lol:


P.S.
1/ Why would anybody want to live on (or rather) under Mercury?
2/ You could NEVER live on the surface -- but the availability of nearby water? That's one big problem more easily solved ...
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:44 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:I have been thinking the same.
What if there was life on mercury/venus, and then for some reason (environmental, nuclear war) they all died, and thousands of years later life arises on earth, and history is going to repeat itself with life on earth dying and then life arising on Mars?


There's no reason to think that.

Yeah, just me and my imagination.
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Postby Bojikami » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:47 pm

Nervbraiain wrote:
Bojikami wrote:^this. I want to be the first commie in space.

I pretty positive there's already been a communist in space China has a space program... not to mention Russia, and when it was the U.S.S.R/Soviet Union.

I meant as in being a colonist.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:57 pm

Grimlundt wrote:2/ You could NEVER live on the surface -- but the availability of nearby water? That's one big problem more easily solved ...


It might not even be drinkable.

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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:01 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Grimlundt wrote:2/ You could NEVER live on the surface -- but the availability of nearby water? That's one big problem more easily solved ...


It might not even be drinkable.

Purify it.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:03 pm

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
Typhlochactas wrote:
It might not even be drinkable.

Purify it.


How? Mercury has no atmosphere. The liquid water would just turn into vapor (assuming it was a certain time of the day, other times it might freeze) and escape into space.
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Postby Holy Aleran Empire » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:04 pm

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Postby The Corparation » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:05 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Grimlundt wrote:2/ You could NEVER live on the surface -- but the availability of nearby water? That's one big problem more easily solved ...


It might not even be drinkable.

Water isn't just for drinking. Do some Electrolysis and you get one of the best rocket fuel combinations out there.
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:09 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Purify it.


How? Mercury has no atmosphere. The liquid water would just turn into vapor (assuming it was a certain time of the day, other times it might freeze) and escape into space.

Then wait until the right time or change temperature of water using technology.
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Old (from when my nation was founded):
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New (11 December 2012):
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Be aware that I am only so near to the centre of the economic axe because this test associates being right-wing with crony capitalism, trickle down, and letting business be held to lower standards than individuals under law.

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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:18 pm

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
Typhlochactas wrote:
How? Mercury has no atmosphere. The liquid water would just turn into vapor (assuming it was a certain time of the day, other times it might freeze) and escape into space.

Then wait until the right time or change temperature of water using technology.


What 'right time'? And how are you going to change the temperature? It's either going to freeze or boil into gas, depending on the time of day.

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Postby Radictistan » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:19 pm

*makes dismissive sound*

I find water on the surface of mercury all the time. The stuff has a density of 7.6 g/cm3 for crying out loud!

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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:25 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Then wait until the right time or change temperature of water using technology.


What 'right time'? And how are you going to change the temperature? It's either going to freeze or boil into gas, depending on the time of day.

Heaters, coolers, it's all technology.

Right time would be just between the cool period and the hot period.
This test is biased and has stupid questions, but anyways:
Old (from when my nation was founded):
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New (11 December 2012):
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Social Libertarian: -5.23
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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:28 pm

Moving Forward Inc wrote:Heaters, coolers,


Are not powerful enough to overcome the temperature extremes on Mercury's surface. Tell me about a cooler that can overcome temperatures hot enough to melt led without melting itself.

Right time would be just between the cool period and the hot period.


You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

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Postby Risottia » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:29 am

Typhlochactas wrote:
Quintero wrote:Whether Mercury or Mars, I will be raising my hand, and probably not getting chosen, to be one of the first colonists. ;)


Who would want to live on Mercury?


Who wants to live forever?

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