Why I think religion is inherently bad. [POLL ADDED]

[Obamacult]

Obamacult: The defendant is guilty.
Mavorpen: You do not have sufficient evidence for me to believe that claim.
Obamacult: Well, you can't prove he's innocent, so therefore he's guilty!

Yes, neither you, Mavorpen, or I can prove or disprove the existence of God.

Well done.

[Valkmar]

Cool. Another win for me.

This'll break headlines. Tell us, Mavporen, what's it like to win on the Internet? How many tongues are you expecting to be stuck in cheeks?

Yeah, atleast Mavporen is right though unlike some people who believe the flying bearded allmighty being who really needs priests to spread word about him to us for whatever unknown reason.

[Typhlochactas]

Obamacult: The defendant is guilty.
Mavorpen: You do not have sufficient evidence for me to believe that claim.
Obamacult: Well, you can't prove he's innocent, so therefore he's guilty!

Yes, neither you, Mavorpen, or I can prove or disprove the existence of God.

Well done.

Three words: absence of evidence.

[The New World Oceania]

Everyone listen to me, i have come forth with my new book known as The Bullshit, its about my new religion known as the Fire-breathing Dark Lord Ape Church, if you rub peanut butter on your privates and go skydiving into the ocean without a parachute, then you will Rollerblade with him in the afterlife. Now you see, i can't prove or disapprove him, but you'll have to take my book, and my word on it man.

However, the Fire Breathing Ape said to love thy neighbor, in our situation. So, that is what followers of the "Bullshit Book" are doing. Is it too much trouble to have to pass a cross each day on your way to work in exchange for a pay raise from your Ape-following boss because he thinks it'll get him reincarnated?

[Khodoristan]

This'll break headlines. Tell us, Mavporen, what's it like to win on the Internet? How many tongues are you expecting to be stuck in cheeks?

Yeah, atleast Mavporen is right though unlike some people who believe the flying bearded allmighty being who really needs priests to spread word about him to us for whatever unknown reason.

I always viewed God as being bespectacled and clean-shaven...

[Mavorpen]

Learn what the burden of proof is.

False, somewhat false, and false.

Both false.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

If you find me evidence of all of the above being true, I will concede this debate. Super srs tho.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/life- ... 2/apr/01/1
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/ ... iments.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/higgs- ... d=16695742

[Obamacult]

This'll break headlines. Tell us, Mavporen, what's it like to win on the Internet? How many tongues are you expecting to be stuck in cheeks?

Yeah, atleast Mavporen is right though unlike some people who believe the flying bearded allmighty being who really needs priests to spread word about him to us for whatever unknown reason.

Yes, you are correct that neither you, I, Mavopren, or priests can confirm or refute that God exists or if he is unshaven.

[The New World Oceania]

This'll break headlines. Tell us, Mavporen, what's it like to win on the Internet? How many tongues are you expecting to be stuck in cheeks?

Yeah, atleast Mavporen is right though unlike some people who believe the flying bearded allmighty being who really needs priests to spread word about him to us for whatever unknown reason.

I will put it to you now that Mormonism is irrefutable, because, unlike other religions, we give reason. Is it good reason? That's up for debate, but it is reason none the less.

[Valkmar]

Everyone listen to me, i have come forth with my new book known as The Bullshit, its about my new religion known as the Fire-breathing Dark Lord Ape Church, if you rub peanut butter on your privates and go skydiving into the ocean without a parachute, then you will Rollerblade with him in the afterlife. Now you see, i can't prove or disapprove him, but you'll have to take my book, and my word on it man.

However, the Fire Breathing Ape said to love thy neighbor, in our situation. So, that is what followers of the "Bullshit Book" are doing. Is it too much trouble to have to pass a cross each day on your way to work in exchange for a pay raise from your Ape-following boss because he thinks it'll get him reincarnated?

There is only one copy of the book, and its in my house, you cannot preach for a religion you do not know my child, may the silverback lord of rage have mercy upon thy bones, his first tenant is to "Harm thy foolish neighbor infidels", Dontchaknow?

[Shofercia]

I used to be satisfied just smiling and nodding whenever anyone would begin on the topic of religion. After all, I’m a civilized man – there’s no need to argue with someone over something as frivolous as their supernatural beliefs. I mean, it’s just not polite, is it?

But over time, I started to see what religion is doing to the world in which we live.

I’ll admit, at the grassroots level, it almost seems like a good idea; certainly, harmless enough. Religion provides a good deal of charity to communities, it offers support and guidance to those in need, and it fills advocacy roles which may be missed in government policies.

But at what price?

Before we continue, it’s not my intention to pick on any one religion – most of them have the same attributes: 1) belief in the supernatural, 2) a moral code with supernatural origins, and 3) the need to spread their “truth” to the uninitiated.

The only religion that doesn’t fit the above three characteristics is Buddhism. Buddhism’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, is quoted as saying “Don’t become a Buddhist. The world doesn’t need more Buddhists. Do practice compassion. The world needs more compassion.” Can you imagine the Pope saying don’t bother becoming a catholic?

"I would never want to be a member of a group whose symbol was a guy nailed to two pieces of wood." - George Carlin.

Religion has caused many wars. Generally speaking, in most of the following cases, religion is both
the stated cause of the killing and the only substantive difference
between the two opposing groups. Obviously, there would be many
additional conflicts where religion is just one of several divisions.

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
Early Christian doctrinal disputes
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon
1860
1975-92
Martyrs, generally
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Responsibility generally (Is religion responsible for more deaths than ...?)
Christian culpabiltiy
Russian pogroms:
1905-06
1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
In addition, here are a few noteworthy conflicts where dissimilar
ethnic groups fought for primarily religious reasons:
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s

The overall agreed death-toll for religious causes on the internet and historians is roughly 809 million to date.
Hitler is barely a scratch on the surface compared to this.

Religion is infamous for hindering scientific progress, which is especially popular with the Galileo Galilei story.

My favorite parts of religion are where people say "Thank god" for the chemotherapy that stopped their cancer, when it wasn't god. Or the heart surgery that saved them, when it wasn't god, or the many other scientific advances that were made by men when the religious still say "Thank god".

"Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you. ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money! The church always needs money"!- George Carlin

I also like how a ALL-POWERFUL being needs little priests and monks on earth to spread word of him, why doesn't god the almighty just do it himself? I mean okay, it may intervene in free will and all. But what about the dictatorships? Where people are suppressed and killed and controlled against their will. Why doesn't god help then? And on the subject of gods intervening, why aren't we following the Greek Pantheon of Gods now-a days? At least they showed themselves supposedly in the stories, i mean it may have been lots of human-god sex, but at least they touched each other, unlike the no-touchy-feely sex between the virgin Mary and god.

Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in god's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? 'Well it's god's will. God's will be done.' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will?

Well anyway, i just threw everything in there i could to try and prove my point. I think everything in there was pretty decent.

Is the OP trying to be the Landover Baptist version for atheism? If so, Landover Baptist does it better. For instance:

Religion has caused many wars. Generally speaking, in most of the following cases, religion is both the stated cause of the killing and the only substantive difference between the two opposing groups...Holocaust, 1938-45

I mean that right there is Landover Baptist version of atheism, I don't know if I should applaud that or not. The Holocaust was about Hitler pretending that such a thing as racial superiority exists. You ever notice, OP, how Hitler actually talked about the "Superior Race" way more often than the "Superior Religion"? Do I need to get a dictionary for the OP to be able to distinguish between race and religion?

To show that much ignorance of history is truly astounding. And other examples of the wars that the OP pretends to be primarily religious can be debunked with ease. For instance, I'm Russian, and I know that there were other events in 1905 and 1917 that started the pogroms, that had nothing to do with religion, like, oh, say the Csar not being able to provide efficient food and ammunition deliveries? What makes more sense, the OP's argument, that people suddenly said "Oh hey, 1905, time to go and persecute a random religion" or people going "oh crap, there's no order, the Csar's an idiot, and now we've seen proof of his idiocy, let's pillage some places for food." Really a no brainer. Al Qaeda - that probably had more to do with either bombs being dropped on people's heads, or some pricks wanting to feel more important, and attacking a high value target, or the threat of the McWorld Culture. Bosnia, erm, interesting how the OP singles that one out in the Yugoslav Wars, but hey, when facts aren't on your side, you need all of the factual manipulation you can get. Crusades - yeah, on one of them, a Christian Army hit a Christian City, hmm, maybe there were other reasons for the Crusades, like say the leaders of Europe wanting the troublemaking landless nobles to fight elsewhere, besides their Kingdoms? I'm tired of rebutting those bullshit examples.

The OP then mentions the Galileo Story. Do tell OP, where did Galileo study? University of Pisa. Now the founder of the University, what was his name? Pope Clement VI. Yep, that's us, hindering science by opening universities for others to study, at least according to the OP. Sense? The OP makes no sense.

The OP continues to pretend that a comedian is apparently a scholarly source. I wonder, would the OP quote Daniel Tosh to the Harvard Professors? Perhaps he can quote that along with the story of how religion hindered Galileo, by creating a university for Galileo to study at.

And then the OP pretends like he knows what he's talking about:

Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in god's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? 'Well it's god's will. God's will be done.' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will?

OP, here's the most popular Christian Prayer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer

"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."

Anything there about a new car? New house? New boat? New jetski? And how does the OP decide that most of the Prayers take place on Sunday? I Pray every day, so there's no specific day that I say most of my Prayers. Additionally OP, Prayers has always existed. It's not a new invention. So to pretend that [n]ow you come along and pray for something - that's pretty damn disingenuous. It's also historically inaccurate. I don't think you should comment on Prayer anymore, because you have absolutely no idea how it works. Much like you have no idea about the reasons behind most of the wars you listed, and no idea that Galileo was educated in a University founded by a Pope, and...

I'm going to stop typing in response to the OP now, lest I say something that's, well...

[The New World Oceania]

However, the Fire Breathing Ape said to love thy neighbor, in our situation. So, that is what followers of the "Bullshit Book" are doing. Is it too much trouble to have to pass a cross each day on your way to work in exchange for a pay raise from your Ape-following boss because he thinks it'll get him reincarnated?

There is only one copy of the book, and its in my house, you cannot preach for a religion you do not know my child, may the silverback lord of rage have mercy upon thy bones, his first tenant is to "Harm thy foolish neighbor infidels", Dontchaknow?

But it also says to be righteous. We have a predicament, now. Is it the word of Ape, or the writing of Man?

[Typhlochactas]

@ Shofercia

What about the prayer of Jabez?

[Khodoristan]

If you find me evidence of all of the above being true, I will concede this debate. Super srs tho.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/life- ... 2/apr/01/1
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/ ... iments.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/higgs- ... d=16695742

Got me.
Got me.
Got me.

You win. Thank you for teaching me religion is a debate that goes nowhere, especially on NSG.

Well done. I tip my hat off to you, even though those sources were Googled in seconds. Seriously, kudos.

[Valkmar]

I used to be satisfied just smiling and nodding whenever anyone would begin on the topic of religion. After all, I’m a civilized man – there’s no need to argue with someone over something as frivolous as their supernatural beliefs. I mean, it’s just not polite, is it?

But over time, I started to see what religion is doing to the world in which we live.

I’ll admit, at the grassroots level, it almost seems like a good idea; certainly, harmless enough. Religion provides a good deal of charity to communities, it offers support and guidance to those in need, and it fills advocacy roles which may be missed in government policies.

But at what price?

Before we continue, it’s not my intention to pick on any one religion – most of them have the same attributes: 1) belief in the supernatural, 2) a moral code with supernatural origins, and 3) the need to spread their “truth” to the uninitiated.

The only religion that doesn’t fit the above three characteristics is Buddhism. Buddhism’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, is quoted as saying “Don’t become a Buddhist. The world doesn’t need more Buddhists. Do practice compassion. The world needs more compassion.” Can you imagine the Pope saying don’t bother becoming a catholic?

"I would never want to be a member of a group whose symbol was a guy nailed to two pieces of wood." - George Carlin.

Religion has caused many wars. Generally speaking, in most of the following cases, religion is both
the stated cause of the killing and the only substantive difference
between the two opposing groups. Obviously, there would be many
additional conflicts where religion is just one of several divisions.

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
Early Christian doctrinal disputes
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon
1860
1975-92
Martyrs, generally
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Responsibility generally (Is religion responsible for more deaths than ...?)
Christian culpabiltiy
Russian pogroms:
1905-06
1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
In addition, here are a few noteworthy conflicts where dissimilar
ethnic groups fought for primarily religious reasons:
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s

The overall agreed death-toll for religious causes on the internet and historians is roughly 809 million to date.
Hitler is barely a scratch on the surface compared to this.

Religion is infamous for hindering scientific progress, which is especially popular with the Galileo Galilei story.

My favorite parts of religion are where people say "Thank god" for the chemotherapy that stopped their cancer, when it wasn't god. Or the heart surgery that saved them, when it wasn't god, or the many other scientific advances that were made by men when the religious still say "Thank god".

"Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you. ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money! The church always needs money"!- George Carlin

I also like how a ALL-POWERFUL being needs little priests and monks on earth to spread word of him, why doesn't god the almighty just do it himself? I mean okay, it may intervene in free will and all. But what about the dictatorships? Where people are suppressed and killed and controlled against their will. Why doesn't god help then? And on the subject of gods intervening, why aren't we following the Greek Pantheon of Gods now-a days? At least they showed themselves supposedly in the stories, i mean it may have been lots of human-god sex, but at least they touched each other, unlike the no-touchy-feely sex between the virgin Mary and god.

Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in god's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? 'Well it's god's will. God's will be done.' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will?

Well anyway, i just threw everything in there i could to try and prove my point. I think everything in there was pretty decent.

Is the OP trying to be the Landover Baptist version for atheism? If so, Landover Baptist does it better. For instance:

Religion has caused many wars. Generally speaking, in most of the following cases, religion is both the stated cause of the killing and the only substantive difference between the two opposing groups...Holocaust, 1938-45

I mean that right there is Landover Baptist version of atheism, I don't know if I should applaud that or not. The Holocaust was about Hitler pretending that such a thing as racial superiority exists. You ever notice, OP, how Hitler actually talked about the "Superior Race" way more often than the "Superior Religion"? Do I need to get a dictionary for the OP to be able to distinguish between race and religion?

To show that much ignorance of history is truly astounding. And other examples of the wars that the OP pretends to be primarily religious can be debunked with ease. For instance, I'm Russian, and I know that there were other events in 1905 and 1917 that started the pogroms, that had nothing to do with religion, like, oh, say the Csar not being able to provide efficient food and ammunition deliveries? What makes more sense, the OP's argument, that people suddenly said "Oh hey, 1905, time to go and persecute a random religion" or people going "oh crap, there's no order, the Csar's an idiot, and now we've seen proof of his idiocy, let's pillage some places for food." Really a no brainer. Al Qaeda - that probably had more to do with either bombs being dropped on people's heads, or some pricks wanting to feel more important, and attacking a high value target, or the threat of the McWorld Culture. Bosnia, erm, interesting how the OP singles that one out in the Yugoslav Wars, but hey, when facts aren't on your side, you need all of the factual manipulation you can get. Crusades - yeah, on one of them, a Christian Army hit a Christian City, hmm, maybe there were other reasons for the Crusades, like say the leaders of Europe wanting the troublemaking landless nobles to fight elsewhere, besides their Kingdoms? I'm tired of rebutting those bullshit examples.

The OP then mentions the Galileo Story. Do tell OP, where did Galileo study? University of Pisa. Now the founder of the University, what was his name? Pope Clement VI. Yep, that's us, hindering science by opening universities for others to study, at least according to the OP. Sense? The OP makes no sense.

The OP continues to pretend that a comedian is apparently a scholarly source. I wonder, would the OP quote Daniel Tosh to the Harvard Professors? Perhaps he can quote that along with the story of how religion hindered Galileo, by creating a university for Galileo to study at.

And then the OP pretends like he knows what he's talking about:

Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in god's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? 'Well it's god's will. God's will be done.' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will?

OP, here's the most popular Christian Prayer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer

"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."

Anything there about a new car? New house? New boat? New jetski? And how does the OP decide that most of the Prayers take place on Sunday? I Pray every day, so there's no specific day that I say most of my Prayers. Additionally OP, Prayers has always existed. It's not a new invention. So to pretend that [n]ow you come along and pray for something - that's pretty damn disingenuous. It's also historically inaccurate. I don't think you should comment on Prayer anymore, because you have absolutely no idea how it works. Much like you have no idea about the reasons behind most of the wars you listed, and no idea that Galileo was educated in a University founded by a Pope, and...

I'm going to stop typing in response to the OP now, lest I say something that's, well...

1. The general prayer day is sunday.
2. You don't hear everyone's prayers so you don't know what the fuck they want.
3. My 800 million mark may be way off and some of the conflicts too, but the point still stands religion causes death.

[Mavorpen]

You win. Thank you for teaching me religion is a debate that goes nowhere, especially on NSG.

Bullshit.

See: Conservative Morality.

[Typhlochactas]

You win. Thank you for teaching me religion is a debate that goes nowhere, especially on NSG.

Bullshit.

See: Conservative Morality.

Also, the people who have posted saying that they had their religious view changed after joining NSG.

[Khodoristan]

You win. Thank you for teaching me religion is a debate that goes nowhere, especially on NSG.

Bullshit.

See: Conservative Morality.

Hell to the no. That dude scares me.

[Occupied Deutschland]

If you find me evidence of all of the above being true, I will concede this debate. Super srs tho.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/life- ... 2/apr/01/1
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/ ... iments.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/higgs- ... d=16695742

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute...

Wouldn't the existence of extra space-time dimensions suggest there existed one wherein God (or a similar entity) existed?

I declare myself winner of this debate and will hold the coronation for my now gained title of 'King of the Internets' tomorrow at dusk.

[Mavorpen]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute...

Wouldn't the existence of extra space-time dimensions suggest there existed one wherein God (or a similar entity) existed?

I declare myself winner of this debate and will hold the coronation for my now gained title of 'King of the Internets' tomorrow at dusk.

It would suggest no such thing.

This is a bad joke and you should feel bad.

[Valkmar]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/life- ... 2/apr/01/1
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/ ... iments.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/higgs- ... d=16695742

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute...

Wouldn't the existence of extra space-time dimensions suggest there existed one wherein God (or a similar entity) existed?

I declare myself winner of this debate and will hold the coronation for my now gained title of 'King of the Internets' tomorrow at dusk.

Sir, im sorry but thats not gonna happen, present thine evidence agaisnt thy fire-breathing ape lord and show me this Entity.

[Khodoristan]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/life- ... 2/apr/01/1
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/ ... iments.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/higgs- ... d=16695742

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute...

Wouldn't the existence of extra space-time dimensions suggest there existed one wherein God (or a similar entity) existed?

I declare myself winner of this debate and will hold the coronation for my now gained title of 'King of the Internets' tomorrow at dusk.

[Shofercia]

Honestly, why all Athiests seem to attack religions?

Why shouldn't they?

Don't they have better things to do than provoke unnecessary conflicts?

religion isn't bad just some of the people in it.

other way around.

No, he's right.

Because it is prejudicial.

Is criticizing someone's views on physics or history prejudicial?

The criticize those aspects. But when you go after religion as a whole, you're just inviting an unnecessary conflict.

Yep, "love thy brother" and "do unto others as you would have done unto you" are asshole things to say.

Those are fine, unless you're a masochist, but suppression of science, stoning people and encouraging violence aren't

And you know who critiqued all of those? Religious people! So there's gotta be this way of critiquing the harmful aspects, without going after everything. I mean you can critique parts of America's Foreign Policy, or parts of Russia's Foreign Policy, and you probably should. However, when you go ahead and state that "Russia/America has never a single thing right in their entire existence" - you're pretty much saying "I'm an ignorant moron". If that's the image you want to convey, go for it! Just don't complain when that becomes the stereotype of atheists. That's the best analogy I could think of.

[Khodoristan]

Bullshit.

See: Conservative Morality.

Also, the people who have posted saying that they had their religious view changed after joining NSG.

So I concede a debate and all of a sudden I can change my religion? Neato!

[Valkmar]

I shall now go rest me weary mind.

[Argonautistic Hydroxides]

Depends on the religion and what reason it's being used for.

Is it a violent religion with leaders looking for political gain? Or perhaps a religion that preaches love, but is misinterpreted to be used for political gain?

I think we would both agree that the latter is actually a good religion, but the few using it to lead others for their own selfish reasons are giving it a bad name.