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Is religion bad?

Yes, it is bad.
88
21%
No, it's not bad, but its not good.
68
16%
Religion is not bad, it sets some decent moral guidelines in some cases.
114
28%
Religion is good.
88
21%
Pancakes are the best.
55
13%
 
Total votes : 413

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Obamacult
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:
Yes, you are correct that God's existence cannot be refuted.

And therefore God doesn't exist.


Yes, you are correct, that you have not proven that God does not exist.

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Sentinel XV
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Postby Sentinel XV » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:13 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Sentinel XV wrote:No. You see, distance does not matter. You are a physical entity, and your genitalia is an extension of your physical self. Both are physical, and can be seen, quantified, qualified, and studied. God can not be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied. Again, your argument is flawed.


Why is that people who say 'God is unknowable' always talk about what you can and can't do with god?

Because what they really mean is "God is what I want it to be, and this is a convenient way for me to circumvent logical arguments".
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:14 pm

Sentinel XV wrote:
Valkmar wrote:But I'm not near you, so i might as well be invisible eh?

No. You see, distance does not matter. You are a physical entity, and your genitalia is an extension of your physical self. Both are physical, and can be seen, quantified, qualified, and studied. God can not be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied. Again, your argument is flawed.


He cannot be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied... With certainty...
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:14 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And therefore God doesn't exist.


Yes, you are correct, that you have not proven that God does not exist.

Cool, so now that you've admitted you have no evidence and you're talking out of your ass, we're done here.
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:14 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:
Yes, I agree that your argument that demons don't cause disease does not disprove God's existence.

You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.


Yes, you have still not disproven the existence of God.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:15 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.


Yes, you have still not disproven the existence of God.

Nor have I attempted to. Your inability to prove the existence means that you concede the debate.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Obamacult
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:15 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:
Yes, you are correct, that you have not proven that God does not exist.

Cool, so now that you've admitted you have no evidence and you're talking out of your ass, we're done here.


Yes, you have convinced me that you are incapable of disproving God.

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Equestrian Democratic Republic
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Postby Equestrian Democratic Republic » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:15 pm

I think religion is bad because my atheist liberal college professor said religion is bad.
WARNING: My posts might contain a little satire.

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Sentinel XV
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Postby Sentinel XV » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:16 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
Sentinel XV wrote:No. You see, distance does not matter. You are a physical entity, and your genitalia is an extension of your physical self. Both are physical, and can be seen, quantified, qualified, and studied. God can not be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied. Again, your argument is flawed.


He cannot be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied... With certainty...

In the context of modern science, he cannot be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied. As an absolute. Because that would give evidence lending for or against his existence: and we have none.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:16 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:
Yes, you have still not disproven the existence of God.

Nor have I attempted to. Your inability to prove the existence means that you concede the debate.


Nonlocality. I win, now both of you give up.
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:16 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:
Yes, you have still not disproven the existence of God.

Nor have I attempted to. Your inability to prove the existence means that you concede the debate.


Yes, neither you or I can prove or disprove the existence of God.

I concede that point.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:17 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Nor have I attempted to. Your inability to prove the existence means that you concede the debate.


Yes, neither you or I can prove or disprove the existence of God.

I concede that point.

So you concede the debate and admit I've won.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:17 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Nor have I attempted to. Your inability to prove the existence means that you concede the debate.


Nonlocality. I win, now both of you give up.


Hehe :clap:

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Typhlochactas
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Postby Typhlochactas » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:17 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Nor have I attempted to. Your inability to prove the existence means that you concede the debate.


Yes, neither you or I can prove or disprove the existence of God.

I concede that point.


You really know nothing about the burden of proof.

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Postby Khodoristan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:18 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Khodoristan wrote:
Any sane person, Christian or otherwise, would be a fool to state that bacteria causes demons or some other bullshittery. All I'm saying is this: I have no hard evidence god exists. You have no hard evidence he doesn't. I go on believing in God, because I believe he is outside the scope of the human mind.

We are nothing in the grand scheme of things, and to me, that other is God. Existing, formless, ever-flowing, not bound to petty dispute or logic.

Now proving this is the hard part. Which, I admit is a fruitless endeavor on all parts.

So I'll just leave it at that.

No one has any hard evidence that he does not exist. That's still a bullshit reason to believe in him, or anything.
There is no hard evidence that leprechauns don't exist beyond the edge of the observable universe.
There is no hard evidence that there is not a walrus beneath the surface of Titan.
Ad infinitum.


Your method requires you to believe in everything in order to be logical consistent. Mine does not.


Chrisse de calise de tabernak...

Ok. Let me put it real simply. You have no evidence that there is no God. Thats a bullshit reason to not believe in him.
There is no evidence of string theory, wormholes, or time dilation.
There is no evidence of loop quantum gravity or even the Higgs boson, although the latter may change if the LHC readings were correct.
Ad infinitum.

Your method requires you to follow the laws of science and hypothesized physics. Mine does not.
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:18 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:
Yes, neither you or I can prove or disprove the existence of God.

I concede that point.

So you concede the debate and admit I've won.



Yes, I concede that you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:18 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So you concede the debate and admit I've won.



Yes, I concede that you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God.

Cool. Another win for me.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Valkmar » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:19 pm

Everyone listen to me, i have come forth with my new book known as The Bullshit, its about my new religion known as the Fire-breathing Dark Lord Ape Church, if you rub peanut butter on your privates and go skydiving into the ocean without a parachute, then you will Rollerblade with him in the afterlife. Now you see, i can't prove or disapprove him, but you'll have to take my book, and my word on it man.
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Postby Khodoristan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:19 pm

As a student, I get payed by the win. So I need to win, or else I wont have the dinero to afford ramen.
Economic Left/Right: -3.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69 (centrist)
DERECON: 1 2 3 4 5

REST IN PEACE UNDERØATH 11/30/97-1/26/13
Pro: NATO, SEATO, ANZUS, EU, ROC, ROK, Japan, Israel, Russia, Turkey, India, gay rights, fiscal and social liberalism, Christianity, Judaism
Against: Iran, Pakistan, China, DPRK, Venezuela, racism, sexism, abortion, Islam, conservatism, military aggression

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:20 pm

Khodoristan wrote:Ok. Let me put it real simply. You have no evidence that there is no God. Thats a bullshit reason to not believe in him.

Learn what the burden of proof is.
Khodoristan wrote:There is no evidence of string theory, wormholes, or time dilation.

False, somewhat false, and false.
Khodoristan wrote:There is no evidence of loop quantum gravity or even the Higgs boson, although the latter may change if the LHC readings were correct.

Both false.
Khodoristan wrote:Ad infinitum.

Your method requires you to follow the laws of science and hypothesized physics. Mine does not.

You have no clue what you're talking about.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Obamacult
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:20 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:

Yes, I concede that you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God.

Cool. Another win for me.


Congratulations, you have neither confirmed or refuted the existence of God.

You win. :clap:

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Postby Sentinel XV » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:20 pm

Valkmar wrote:Everyone listen to me, i have come forth with my new book known as The Bullshit, its about my new religion known as the Fire-breathing Dark Lord Ape Church, if you rub peanut butter on your privates and go skydiving into the ocean without a parachute, then you will Rollerblade with him in the afterlife. Now you see, i can't prove or disapprove him, but you'll have to take my book, and my word on it man.

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Postby Typhlochactas » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:20 pm

Obamacult: The defendant is guilty.
Mavorpen: You do not have sufficient evidence for me to believe that claim.
Obamacult: Well, you can't prove he's innocent, so therefore he's guilty!

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Postby The New World Oceania » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:20 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:

Yes, I concede that you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God.

Cool. Another win for me.


This'll break headlines. Tell us, Mavporen, what's it like to win on the Internet? How many tongues are you expecting to be stuck in cheeks?
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Postby Khodoristan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:22 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Khodoristan wrote:Ok. Let me put it real simply. You have no evidence that there is no God. Thats a bullshit reason to not believe in him.

Learn what the burden of proof is.
Khodoristan wrote:There is no evidence of string theory, wormholes, or time dilation.

False, somewhat false, and false.
Khodoristan wrote:There is no evidence of loop quantum gravity or even the Higgs boson, although the latter may change if the LHC readings were correct.

Both false.
Khodoristan wrote:Ad infinitum.

Your method requires you to follow the laws of science and hypothesized physics. Mine does not.

You have no clue what you're talking about.


If you find me evidence of all of the above being true, I will concede this debate. Super srs tho.
Economic Left/Right: -3.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69 (centrist)
DERECON: 1 2 3 4 5

REST IN PEACE UNDERØATH 11/30/97-1/26/13
Pro: NATO, SEATO, ANZUS, EU, ROC, ROK, Japan, Israel, Russia, Turkey, India, gay rights, fiscal and social liberalism, Christianity, Judaism
Against: Iran, Pakistan, China, DPRK, Venezuela, racism, sexism, abortion, Islam, conservatism, military aggression

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