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Is religion bad?

Yes, it is bad.
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No, it's not bad, but its not good.
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Religion is not bad, it sets some decent moral guidelines in some cases.
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Religion is good.
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Pancakes are the best.
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Postby Valkmar » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:01 pm

I can't see or disapprove god, so i have a 20 inch long penis, you don't see but you can't disapprove it, but i assure you it is there.
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:01 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Euronion wrote:You completely missed the point, backing up my claims from my previous post, instead of letting me believe in God you just merely state that God doesn't exist. I was saying that God is unfalsifiable, I believe God exists for my own reasons, I have seen not one shred of evidence that disproves God's existence.

So God doesn't exist. Alright.


If science can prove that demons don't cause sickness, then why can't science prove that God doesn't exist? I mean where is your Law rejecting God?

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:02 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So God doesn't exist. Alright.


If science can prove that demons don't cause sickness, then why can't science prove that God doesn't exist? I mean where is your Law rejecting God?

Now quote me saying science has proved demons don't cause sickness.
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Postby Sentinel XV » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:03 pm

Valkmar wrote:I can't see or disapprove god, so i have a 20 inch long penis, you don't see but you can't disapprove it, but i assure you it is there.

As much as I don't like using the topic of male genitalia as a subject of debate, your argument is flawed. God is an invisible deity. Your penis an organic, physical part of your body that we can see if you remove your trousers.
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:03 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Khodoristan wrote:I have not seen any evidence that God does not exist.

So God doesn't exist. Mmkay.

So God exists.

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Postby Khodoristan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:03 pm

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Khodoristan wrote:
Oh, man. Wow, cop out of the year.

Bacteria causing disease proves nothing other than humans get sick. Again, I will admit I base my beliefs on faith. Evidence of the immaterial is a categorical error.

Way to completely miss the point.

You can claim that God "caused" the universe to appear, but then you'd be making a claim that makes as much sense as claiming bacteria doesn't cause diseases, and it's demons instead.


Any sane person, Christian or otherwise, would be a fool to state that bacteria causes demons or some other bullshittery. All I'm saying is this: I have no hard evidence god exists. You have no hard evidence he doesn't. I go on believing in God, because I believe he is outside the scope of the human mind.

We are nothing in the grand scheme of things, and to me, that other is God. Existing, formless, ever-flowing, not bound to petty dispute or logic.

Now proving this is the hard part. Which, I admit is a fruitless endeavor on all parts.

So I'll just leave it at that.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:03 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So God doesn't exist. Mmkay.

So God exists.

Thanks for admitting I'm right.
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Postby Valkmar » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:03 pm

Sentinel XV wrote:
Valkmar wrote:I can't see or disapprove god, so i have a 20 inch long penis, you don't see but you can't disapprove it, but i assure you it is there.

As much as I don't like using the topic of male genitalia as a subject of debate, your argument is flawed. God is an invisible deity. Your penis an organic, physical part of your body that we can see if you remove your trousers.

But I'm not near you, so i might as well be invisible eh?
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Postby Typhlochactas » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:03 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So God doesn't exist. Alright.


If science can prove that demons don't cause sickness, then why can't science prove that God doesn't exist? I mean where is your Law rejecting God?


Science did not develop germ theory as a response to the idea that demons cause sickness. In the same way, science does not have to develop a law to disprove god in order for god not to exist.

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Postby Khodoristan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:04 pm

Valkmar wrote:I can't see or disapprove god, so i have a 20 inch long penis, you don't see but you can't disapprove it, but i assure you it is there.


Can I...touch it? Just a lil' poke?
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:04 pm

How many seconds before someone uses the quantum mechanics argument?

And if you consider God to be an entity, and take the lack thereof to also be entity, and proceed with the argument, all you've got is terminology.

Edit: A speculation, here. The Theist missionary says to the infidel, "Pray, and if you hear God, you may know that He is real." However, the Atheist missionary says to the Theist, "Pray, and if you do not hear God, you may know that He is not real."
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Postby Sentinel XV » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:05 pm

Valkmar wrote:
Sentinel XV wrote:As much as I don't like using the topic of male genitalia as a subject of debate, your argument is flawed. God is an invisible deity. Your penis an organic, physical part of your body that we can see if you remove your trousers.

But I'm not near you, so i might as well be invisible eh?

No. You see, distance does not matter. You are a physical entity, and your genitalia is an extension of your physical self. Both are physical, and can be seen, quantified, qualified, and studied. God can not be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied. Again, your argument is flawed.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:06 pm

Khodoristan wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Way to completely miss the point.

You can claim that God "caused" the universe to appear, but then you'd be making a claim that makes as much sense as claiming bacteria doesn't cause diseases, and it's demons instead.


Any sane person, Christian or otherwise, would be a fool to state that bacteria causes demons or some other bullshittery. All I'm saying is this: I have no hard evidence god exists. You have no hard evidence he doesn't. I go on believing in God, because I believe he is outside the scope of the human mind.

We are nothing in the grand scheme of things, and to me, that other is God. Existing, formless, ever-flowing, not bound to petty dispute or logic.

Now proving this is the hard part. Which, I admit is a fruitless endeavor on all parts.

So I'll just leave it at that.

No one has any hard evidence that he does not exist. That's still a bullshit reason to believe in him, or anything.
There is no hard evidence that leprechauns don't exist beyond the edge of the observable universe.
There is no hard evidence that there is not a walrus beneath the surface of Titan.
Ad infinitum.


Your method requires you to believe in everything in order to be logical consistent. Mine does not.
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:06 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:
If science can prove that demons don't cause sickness, then why can't science prove that God doesn't exist? I mean where is your Law rejecting God?

Now quote me saying science has proved demons don't cause sickness.


You said:

You can claim that God "caused" the universe to appear, but then you'd be making a claim that makes as much sense as claiming bacteria doesn't cause diseases, and it's demons instead.


Seriously dude, your hippity hopping along this thread with some disjointed logic, backtracking, and moon walking that would make Michael Jackson jealous with envy.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:07 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Now quote me saying science has proved demons don't cause sickness.


You said:

You can claim that God "caused" the universe to appear, but then you'd be making a claim that makes as much sense as claiming bacteria doesn't cause diseases, and it's demons instead.


Seriously dude, your hippity hopping along this thread with some disjointed logic, backtracking, and moon walking that would make Michael Jackson jealous with envy.

So you can't quote me saying that science has proven demons don't cause diseases.

Thanks for proving me right.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:08 pm

Khodoristan wrote:
Valkmar wrote:I can't see or disapprove god, so i have a 20 inch long penis, you don't see but you can't disapprove it, but i assure you it is there.


Can I...touch it? Just a lil' poke?

What, you don't believe him automatically?
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Postby Typhlochactas » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:09 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Now quote me saying science has proved demons don't cause sickness.


You said:

You can claim that God "caused" the universe to appear, but then you'd be making a claim that makes as much sense as claiming bacteria doesn't cause diseases, and it's demons instead.


Seriously dude, your hippity hopping along this thread with some disjointed logic, backtracking, and moon walking that would make Michael Jackson jealous with envy.


Mavorpen knows how to moonwalk? I'm impressed.

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Postby Valkmar » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:10 pm

Sentinel XV wrote:
Valkmar wrote:But I'm not near you, so i might as well be invisible eh?

No. You see, distance does not matter. You are a physical entity, and your genitalia is an extension of your physical self. Both are physical, and can be seen, quantified, qualified, and studied. God can not be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied. Again, your argument is flawed.

Alright, well your argument is completely sound, mine on the other hand is not. I find your posts logical and into deep detail and support how you have handled this thread so far, so I'm not going to argue with you anymore :p
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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:10 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote: So God exists.

Thanks for admitting I'm right.


Yes, you are correct that God's existence cannot be refuted.

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Postby Sentinel XV » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:10 pm

Valkmar wrote:
Sentinel XV wrote:No. You see, distance does not matter. You are a physical entity, and your genitalia is an extension of your physical self. Both are physical, and can be seen, quantified, qualified, and studied. God can not be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied. Again, your argument is flawed.

Alright, well your argument is completely sound, mine on the other hand is not. I find your posts logical and into deep detail and support how you have handled this thread so far, so I'm not going to argue with you anymore :p

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:11 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Thanks for admitting I'm right.


Yes, you are correct that God's existence cannot be refuted.

And therefore God doesn't exist.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:11 pm

Sentinel XV wrote:
Valkmar wrote:But I'm not near you, so i might as well be invisible eh?

No. You see, distance does not matter. You are a physical entity, and your genitalia is an extension of your physical self. Both are physical, and can be seen, quantified, qualified, and studied. God can not be seen, quantified, qualified, or studied. Again, your argument is flawed.


Why is that people who say 'God is unknowable' always talk about what you can and can't do with god?

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Postby Obamacult » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Obamacult wrote:
You said:



Seriously dude, your hippity hopping along this thread with some disjointed logic, backtracking, and moon walking that would make Michael Jackson jealous with envy.

So you can't quote me saying that science has proven demons don't cause diseases.

Thanks for proving me right.


Yes, I agree that your argument that demons don't cause disease does not disprove God's existence.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:13 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So you can't quote me saying that science has proven demons don't cause diseases.

Thanks for proving me right.


Yes, I agree that your argument that demons don't cause disease does not disprove God's existence.

You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Typhlochactas » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:13 pm

Obamacult wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So you can't quote me saying that science has proven demons don't cause diseases.

Thanks for proving me right.


Yes, I agree that your argument that demons don't cause disease does not disprove God's existence.


He was using it to make a point. He did not actually say 'Demons do not cause disease, therefore god does not exist'. He was saying that calling god the creator of the universe is like saying demons cause disease. The point is that there's a scientific explanation for both of them, and both demons and god are assumptions that do not have to be made.

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