Why I think religion is inherently bad. [POLL ADDED]

[Sentinel XV]

The ones where gays are going to hell, they don't deserve to marry, women are worth less than a bunch of cells, etc?

No thanks.

Jesus never said that.

> Jesus said nothing about women's' rights, slavery, and many other controversial topics condoned in the Bible
>> But what about the Bible's condemnation of the gays?
> It's in the Bible.
>> But Jesus said nothing of it.

[Vortropolis]

So, I'm sure they supported breathing, too. What does that to do with anything?

That's our point.
If you say
"Stalin was an atheist, and killed loads of people. Therefore, atheism kills more people than religion has." that's completely untrue, because if you use the SAME CRITERIA, lots of people were religious and killed people, 809 million people to be exact.

BUT
If you say
"Stalin didn't kill anyone because of his atheism, he killed them for other reasons. However, religious people have killed because of their religion." thats true too.
By both sets of criteria, the religious have killed more people.
I say the second should be used.
They insist on the first one for Atheism, but the second one for religion.

How is it that most atheist leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

[Mavorpen]

How is it that most atheist leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

How is it that most white leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

[Ostroeuropa]

That's our point.
If you say
"Stalin was an atheist, and killed loads of people. Therefore, atheism kills more people than religion has." that's completely untrue, because if you use the SAME CRITERIA, lots of people were religious and killed people, 809 million people to be exact.

BUT
If you say
"Stalin didn't kill anyone because of his atheism, he killed them for other reasons. However, religious people have killed because of their religion." thats true too.
By both sets of criteria, the religious have killed more people.
I say the second should be used.
They insist on the first one for Atheism, but the second one for religion.

How is it that most atheist leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

That's simply not true either. There are plenty of Atheist world leaders. It's nowhere near a "most" that kill their own people.

So, we'll remove "most" and replace with "some." and then remove "atheist" and place in "religious" and now you see why your question is so stupid. You completely ignored my post and just came up with another reason why you should read my post.
It explains precisely why the bullshit you are spewing is self-defeating.

[Vortropolis]

How is it that most atheist leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

How is it that most white leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

You'r not white?

[Valkmar]

How is it that most atheist leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

How is it that most white leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

How is it that most leaders that killed thousands or millions of their people had mustaches?

[Vortropolis]

How is it that most atheist leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

That's simply not true either. There are plenty of Atheist world leaders. It's nowhere near a "most" that kill their own people.

So, we'll remove "most" and replace with "some." and then remove "atheist" and place in "religious" and now you see why your question is so stupid. You completely ignored my post and just came up with another reason why you should read my post.
It explains precisely why the bullshit you are spewing is self-defeating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_Mexico take some time to read about it.

[Suidwes-Afrika]

How is it that most atheist leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

How is it that most white leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

How is it that Robert Mugabe, Emperor Bokassa, Haiti's Duvalier, and Idi Amin are black?

[Mavorpen]

That's simply not true either. There are plenty of Atheist world leaders. It's nowhere near a "most" that kill their own people.

So, we'll remove "most" and replace with "some." and then remove "atheist" and place in "religious" and now you see why your question is so stupid. You completely ignored my post and just came up with another reason why you should read my post.
It explains precisely why the bullshit you are spewing is self-defeating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_Mexico take some time to read about it.

Catholics are all Christians, amirite.

[Ostroeuropa]

That's simply not true either. There are plenty of Atheist world leaders. It's nowhere near a "most" that kill their own people.

So, we'll remove "most" and replace with "some." and then remove "atheist" and place in "religious" and now you see why your question is so stupid. You completely ignored my post and just came up with another reason why you should read my post.
It explains precisely why the bullshit you are spewing is self-defeating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_Mexico take some time to read about him.

Ok, so you found a guy who persecuted christians, I can pull up case studies too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Arbu%C3%A9s

[The USOT]

That's our point.
If you say
"Stalin was an atheist, and killed loads of people. Therefore, atheism kills more people than religion has." that's completely untrue, because if you use the SAME CRITERIA, lots of people were religious and killed people, 809 million people to be exact.

BUT
If you say
"Stalin didn't kill anyone because of his atheism, he killed them for other reasons. However, religious people have killed because of their religion." thats true too.
By both sets of criteria, the religious have killed more people.
I say the second should be used.
They insist on the first one for Atheism, but the second one for religion.

How is it that most atheist leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

You do realise there are plenty more that never did right?
And most that did kill en mass come from either major faith based ideologies (Mao being an interesting example of this), were psychopaths despite their religion (e.g. Stalin) or (going back to Stalin again) were brought up with religious values and submission to higher authority as a good thing.

[Mavorpen]

How is it that most white leaders are the ones that kill thousands or millions of their people?

You'r not white?

What does that have to do with the fact your question was stupid?

[Ordya]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_Mexico take some time to read about him.

Ok, so you found a guy who persecuted christians, I can pull up case studies too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Arbu%C3%A9s

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

[Sentinel XV]

Ok, so you found a guy who persecuted christians, I can pull up case studies too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Arbu%C3%A9s

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

Source? I truly find this hard to believe. Perhaps in certain regions, but I hardly doubt in the world.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ok, so you found a guy who persecuted christians, I can pull up case studies too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Arbu%C3%A9s

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

Source that

[The New World Oceania]

Ok, so you found a guy who persecuted christians, I can pull up case studies too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Arbu%C3%A9s

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

I wouldn't call Christians a minority.

[Vortropolis]

You'r not white?

What does that have to do with the fact your question was stupid?

Nevermind.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Ok, so you found a guy who persecuted christians, I can pull up case studies too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Arbu%C3%A9s

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

Oh man, I want this source.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ok, so you found a guy who persecuted christians, I can pull up case studies too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Arbu%C3%A9s

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

Cos mah Pastor tells me so wut wut!
*shoots a pistol into the sky*
This is PRECISELY the kind of shoddy thinking religion trains you to do. Next time someone gives you a claim like that, ask them for a source, don't just believe any bullshit people give you because it sounds nice/you think it fits in nicely with your beliefs.

[Ordya]

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

Source? I truly find this hard to believe. Perhaps in certain regions, but I hardly doubt in the world.

Christians are the only religious group that still get killed for their faith. In Muslim countries, they are the minority.

[Suidwes-Afrika]

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

I wouldn't call Christians a minority.

In the entire world, yes.

In the developed world, not yet.

I, however, live in an underdeveloped nation with a Christian majority that generally takes their faith seriously - allowing me the comfort of speculation.

[Vortropolis]

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

Cos mah Pastor tells me so wut wut!
*shoots a pistol into the sky*
This is PRECISELY the kind of shoddy thinking religion trains you to do. Next time someone gives you a claim like that, ask them for a source.

Damn you know you'r just not funny.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Christians are the only religious group that still get killed for their faith.

[Ostroeuropa]

Source? I truly find this hard to believe. Perhaps in certain regions, but I hardly doubt in the world.

Christians are the only religious group that still get killed for their faith. In Muslim countries, they are the minority.

Source that first claim.

[Suidwes-Afrika]

You realize christians are currently the most persecuted minority in the world right now, right?

Oh man, I want this source.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-most-persecuted-religious-group-in-the-world-says-expert-74332/

Maybe?

We'll see.