Palestine has been upgraded to non-member state

[Divair]

Did I see you the other day in Hebron? Oh right, it was next to the monument to Baruch Goldstein, that great Jewish jihadi.

May HaShem G-D, bless the memory of Baruch Goldstein, the honored jewish matyr who sacrified his life to defend the chosen people of Israel, from muslim nazis.

Fuck propaganda.

[DogDoo 7]

How many times do I have to say this? The number of quotation marks is directly proportional to the shame you should feel at repeatedly failing to read my posts:

"Israel is: "firing rockets back, at civilian-heavy areas. And building settlements in contravention of international law. And enforcing a crippling blockade which is creating massive poverty and distress in Gaza. Among many other things.""

None of the listed things is 'defending itself.' So you need to justify striking civilian-heavy areas, settlement-building, and the Gaza blockade. I'll give you a hint: the first one there is the easiest to justify.

Just to repeat: "Israel is: "firing rockets back, at civilian-heavy areas. And building settlements in contravention of international law. And enforcing a crippling blockade which is creating massive poverty and distress in Gaza. Among many other things."" Those are the problems. Not defending itself - striking civilian-heavy areas, settlement-building, and the blockade. Got it? Attempt to justify those things.

Striking civilian-heavy areas, settlement-building, and the blockade. Those are the things you need to post about in your next post. Not "nrrr u think israel evil cos palestinian shooting it". Striking civilian-heavy areas, settlement-building, and the blockade. Right? Those three things. Justify them. That's what you need to do to succeed in your argument. Start with the first one.

Did you even read the rest of my post? Seems like we both cannot read. I said I do not nescasarilly agree with those things, but saying Israel's whole effort to defend itself is horrible because of a military slip up is idiotic, I believe that the blockade was justified though, many nations use that as a economic weapon in times of war and it sped up the pace to peace, Settlement building really does not affect anyone, it was just 1% of the West Bank and did not affect anyone directly, so that is my position and I have said it like two time already across my other posts.

The PALESTINIANS only control the medium brown areas (and the dark brown cities in them). They have municipal responsibility in the light brown areas. Everything else is for all intents and purposes "Israel"

[Potlimitomaha]

Did I see you the other day in Hebron? Oh right, it was next to the monument to Baruch Goldstein, that great Jewish jihadi.

May HaShem G-D, bless the memory of Baruch Goldstein, the honored jewish matyr who sacrified his life to defend the chosen people of Israel, from muslim nazis.

Goldstein was denounced by mainstream Orthodox Judaism[5] and was widely described as insane by Israelis.[6]

Goldstein's gravesite became a pilgrimage site for Jewish extremists.[7] In 1999, after the passing of Israeli legislation outlawing monuments to terrorists, the Israeli army dismantled the shrine that had been built to Goldstein at the site of his interment.[8]

[DogDoo 7]

May HaShem G-D, bless the memory of Baruch Goldstein, the honored jewish matyr who sacrified his life to defend the chosen people of Israel, from muslim nazis.

Goldstein was denounced by mainstream Orthodox Judaism[5] and was widely described as insane by Israelis.[6]

Goldstein's gravesite became a pilgrimage site for Jewish extremists.[7] In 1999, after the passing of Israeli legislation outlawing monuments to terrorists, the Israeli army dismantled the shrine that had been built to Goldstein at the site of his interment.[8]

There's definitely a shrine there as of 2 weeks ago.

[Potlimitomaha]

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The PALESTINIANS only control the medium brown areas (and the dark brown cities in them). They have municipal responsibility in the light brown areas. Everything else is for all intents and purposes "Israel"

In July 2000, US President Bill Clinton convened a peace summit between Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Barak put forward the following via the U.S. to the Palestinian leader; 92% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip,as well as a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem, to Palestine, and 69 Jewish settlements (which comprise 85% of the West Bank's Jewish settlers) would be ceded to Israel.
Arafat rejected this offer.

[DogDoo 7]

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The PALESTINIANS only control the medium brown areas (and the dark brown cities in them). They have municipal responsibility in the light brown areas. Everything else is for all intents and purposes "Israel"

In July 2000, US President Bill Clinton convened a peace summit between Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Barak put forward the following via the U.S. to the Palestinian leader; 92% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip,as well as a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem, to Palestine, and 69 Jewish settlements (which comprise 85% of the West Bank's Jewish settlers) would be ceded to Israel.
Arafat rejected this offer.

I wouldn't take it either. The bold is especially not cool.

The Israeli negotiators proposed that Israel be allowed to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along 15% of the Palestinian-Jordanian border.[4] Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approvalor allow the introduction of foreign forces east of the Jordan River, and that it dismantle terrorist groups.[18] One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management.

[Kummen]

All my thoughts in one Herkanstad. I would like to add some additional notes on this.

1.Since 1964, Arab countries were trying to divert the headwaters of the Jordan river to deprive Israel of water resources, provoking tensions with Syria and Lebanon. Arab nationalists led by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser refused to recognize Israel, and called for its destruction. By 1966, Israeli-Arab relations had deteriorated to the point of actual battles taking place between Israeli and Arab forces. In 1967, Egypt expelled UN peacekeepers, stationed in the Sinai Peninsula since 1957, and announced a partial blockade of Israel's access to the Red Sea.
2.Following the war, Israel faced much internal resistance from the Arab Palestinians and Egyptian hostilities in the Sinai. Most important among the various Palestinian and Arab groups was the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), established in 1964, which initially committed itself to "armed struggle as the only way to liberate the homeland". In the late 1960s and early 1970s, Palestinian groups launched a wave of attacks against Israeli and Jewish targets around the world, including a massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich.
3.In July 1976 Israeli commandos carried out a rescue mission which succeeded in rescuing 102 hostages who were being held by Palestinian guerillas at Entebbe International Airport close to Kampala, Uganda.
4.On 11 March 1978, a PLO guerilla raid from Lebanon led to the Coastal Road Massacre, in which 38 Israeli civilians were killed and 71 injured. Israel responded by launching an invasion of southern Lebanon to destroy the PLO bases south of the Litani River. Most PLO fighters withdrew, but Israel was able to secure southern Lebanon until a UN force and the Lebanese army could take over. However, the PLO soon resumed its policy of attacks against Israel. In the next few years the PLO infiltrated back south and kept up a sporadic shelling across the border.
5.In 1992, Yitzhak Rabin became Prime Minister following an election in which his party called for compromise with Israel's neighbors. The following year, Shimon Peres on behalf of Israel, and Mahmoud Abbas for the PLO, signed the Oslo Accords, which gave the Palestinian National Authority the right to govern parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The PLO also recognized Israel's right to exist and pledged an end to terrorism.
6. And currently in 2012....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012

So tell me again how Israel is a warmonger and evil? TELL ME HOW, WHAT EXCUSE DO YOU HAVE.

I hear you, man. It's infuriating to see the world defending these murdering psychopaths and condemn a legitimate nation, such as Israel.

[Tmutarakhan]

Did I see you the other day in Hebron? Oh right, it was next to the monument to Baruch Goldstein, that great Jewish jihadi.

May HaShem G-D, bless the memory of Baruch Goldstein, the honored jewish matyr who sacrified his life to defend the chosen people of Israel, from muslim nazis.

He was a terrorist, like Kahane, and all of his kind need to be destroyed, the same as Hamas.

[Evraim]

May HaShem G-D, bless the memory of Baruch Goldstein, the honored jewish matyr who sacrified his life to defend the chosen people of Israel, from muslim nazis.

Fuck propaganda.

Meir Kahane? Feh.

Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion, iirc.
You can be Jewish (in the ethnic sense) and not ever go to a Synagogue or pray.

You can be Christian and never go to church. You can be Latino and never eat a taco(pity these poor souls). But only one of these can you convert to.

I suspect that the notion that Judaism was something more than a religion(such as a race) was started by bigots that wanted to distance themselves from Jews. How it caught on is a mystery to me.

Jewish tradition holds that all people matrilineally descended from Jews will also be a Jews. This, together with the unique language(s) and cultural norms, makes a compelling case for recognizing Jewishness not solely as a religious classification but also as an ethnic one.

With religous classifications such as Christian or Muslim, people generally accept a set of standardized beliefs or adhere to particular rituals. A Jew does not have to believe in G-d or anything else for that matter.

So is Palestine. Alcohol can be found hidden in plain sight pretty much everywhere, there's no "prayer police," and family law is Ottoman (just like in Israel). Yeah, popular sentiment can be uncomfortably religious at times, but then again, try driving through religious neighborhoods in Jerusalem on Saturday and see how comfortable you feel.

You're talking about the West Bank, right? I was under the impression that Palestinians residing in that region were, by and large, more secular than their Arab neighbors. In fact, if I recall correctly, early terrorist organizations, such as the PLO, were generally secular nationalists as opposed to Islamists. I would actually support the creation a Palestinian state provided Fatah or another moderate faction acted as the government. However, I think that the religious extremism and intolerance promoted by more radical political organizations would prove detrimental not only to Israel but also to Palestine.

It's a bit of a balagan when your entire identity is basically identified as NOT being Israeli. Are you familiar with the town of Ghajar? It was a Syrian town on the border with Lebanon that came under Israeli occupation (and subsequent annexation) in 1967, and the people living there were granted Israeli residency like the rest of the Golani population. Anyway, until 2000, the border up there wasn't really demarcated, and as the town grew, it expanded northwards. When the UN came in 2000 to draw the blue line, they put the border down the middle of the village, which resulted in the people living in the northern half of the village being issued Lebanese passports, while holding Israeli residency permits, and if you ask them what nationality they are, they will tell you "Syrian."

I'm not Israeli or Lebanese, so I ask that you please pardon my ignorance on this matter. My principal point was that claiming that not all Jews identify as Israeli is not a valid argument against the establishment of a Jewish state because most of those people would still identify themselves as Jews. I was responding to what appeared to be just such an argument from another poster.

May HaShem G-D, bless the memory of Baruch Goldstein, the honored jewish matyr who sacrified his life to defend the chosen people of Israel, from muslim nazis.

He was a terrorist, like Kahane, and all of his kind need to be destroyed, the same as Hamas.

Or, preferably, made to feel differently.

[Gauthier]

You're talking about the West Bank, right? I was under the impression that Palestinians residing in that region were, by and large, more secular than their Arab neighbors. In fact, if I recall correctly, early terrorist organizations, such as the PLO, were generally secular nationalists as opposed to Islamists. I would actually support the creation a Palestinian state provided Fatah or another moderate faction acted as the government. However, I think that the religious extremism and intolerance promoted by more radical political organizations would prove detrimental not only to Israel but also to Palestine.

Fatah was pretty much the leading faction of the PLO until Hamas was funded by Israel to undermine them. Like I've always said, Hamas is Israel's blowback. In an indirect way, Israel brought those rockets onto themselves.

He was a terrorist, like Kahane, and all of his kind need to be destroyed, the same as Hamas.

Or, preferably, made to feel differently.

Made to feel differently? As in re-education? Because the only way most people want to re-educate Hamas is with a bullet in the head.

[Samonaemia]

The day shall come soon, when Arab and Muslim nations rise up to crush this cancer lump called Israel that was forcefully implanted in the heart of the Arab world, by western imperialists. Not the 1967 borders but ALL OF PALESTINE. That day, not the U.S nor any nation will risk saving the Zionist nazis. Wake up people! How is it rational when the majority of the world's nations vote for the creation of a Palestinian state based on the 67 borders ( even though it should include all of historic Palestine) but, only a handful of countries get to eliminate the voice of the world? This undermines the very ideologies that these nations claim to be based on such as democracy and the rule of the majority. However, these countries will not be able to risk saving Israel forever, and even if it takes a nuclear war, the zionists will never be able to stand on their feet ( or in this case, sit on the backs of other nations) ever again.

[Divair]

The day shall come soon, when Arab and Muslim nations rise up to crush this cancer lump called Israel that was forcefully implanted in the heart of the Arab world, by western imperialists. Not the 1967 borders but ALL OF PALESTINE. That day, not the U.S nor any nation will risk saving the Zionist nazis. Wake up people! How is it rational when the majority of the world's nations vote for the creation of a Palestinian state based on the 67 borders ( even though it should include all of historic Palestine) but, only a handful of countries get to eliminate the voice of the world? This undermines the very ideologies that these nations claim to be based on such as democracy and the rule of the majority. However, these countries will not be able to risk saving Israel forever, and even if it takes a nuclear war, the zionists will never be able to stand on their feet ( or in this case, sit on the backs of other nations) ever again.

More propaganda.



Fuck. This conflict is full of fucking propaganda.

[Spiritwolf]

The day shall come soon, when Arab and Muslim nations rise up to crush this cancer lump called Israel that was forcefully implanted in the heart of the Arab world, by western imperialists. Not the 1967 borders but ALL OF PALESTINE. That day, not the U.S nor any nation will risk saving the Zionist nazis. Wake up people! How is it rational when the majority of the world's nations vote for the creation of a Palestinian state based on the 67 borders ( even though it should include all of historic Palestine) but, only a handful of countries get to eliminate the voice of the world? This undermines the very ideologies that these nations claim to be based on such as democracy and the rule of the majority. However, these countries will not be able to risk saving Israel forever, and even if it takes a nuclear war, the zionists will never be able to stand on their feet ( or in this case, sit on the backs of other nations) ever again.

More propaganda.



Fuck. This conflict is full of fucking propaganda.

Actually, the problem here is you're not taking this individual seriously. He is stating his opinion and his chosen course of action for the whole world to see, in clear and concise language. He is, in my opinion, representative of a great many people who are highly motivated and truly dedicated to the cause....... that cause being the violent decimation of the nation and people of Israel. We disagree on many issues, Divair, simply because I take him and those who are like him quite seriously while you do not. The line in the sand is drawn.......... they have their weapons and we have ours........... now it's time to pull your head out of the sand, pick up a weapon, and choose sides cause the big hurt is definitely coming whether or not you like it or believe it. Semper Fi

[Divair]

More propaganda.



Fuck. This conflict is full of fucking propaganda.

Actually, the problem here is you're not taking this individual seriously. He is stating his opinion and his chosen course of action for the whole world to see, in clear and concise language. He is, in my opinion, representative of a great many people who are highly motivated and truly dedicated to the cause....... that cause being the violent decimation of the nation and people of Israel. We disagree on many issues, Divair, simply because I take him and those who are like him quite seriously while you do not. The line in the sand is drawn.......... they have their weapons and we have ours........... now it's time to pull your head out of the sand, pick up a weapon, and choose sides cause the big hurt is definitely coming whether or not you like it or believe it. Semper Fi

More propaganda and pointless ranting. Joy.



It's hard to believe that these are separate people by this point.

[Samonaemia]

More propaganda.



Fuck. This conflict is full of fucking propaganda.

Actually, the problem here is you're not taking this individual seriously. He is stating his opinion and his chosen course of action for the whole world to see, in clear and concise language. He is, in my opinion, representative of a great many people who are highly motivated and truly dedicated to the cause....... that cause being the violent decimation of the nation and people of Israel. We disagree on many issues, Divair, simply because I take him and those who are like him quite seriously while you do not. The line in the sand is drawn.......... they have their weapons and we have ours........... now it's time to pull your head out of the sand, pick up a weapon, and choose sides cause the big hurt is definitely coming whether or not you like it or believe it. Semper Fi

Well let me tell you something, the world has already chosen its sides, the 193 nations that voted in favor of Palestine, have definitely made up their choice. Your call should be directed to the rest of your diminishing supporters in this world.

[Conserative Morality]

Well let me tell you something, the world has already chosen its sides, the 193 nations that voted in favor of Palestine, have definitely made up their choice. Your call should be directed to the rest of your diminishing supporters in this world.

There is nothing worth a nuclear war, save the survival of the human race, and Israel *can* be pressured, if only the US would lessen its unconditional support. The issue is that Israel thinks it can get away with anything; take away their position of absolute power, and they will act as reasonably as any other nation.

[Tmutarakhan]

Well let me tell you something, the world has already chosen its sides, the 193 nations that voted in favor of Palestine, have definitely made up their choice. Your call should be directed to the rest of your diminishing supporters in this world.

There is nothing worth a nuclear war, save the survival of the human race, and Israel *can* be pressured, if only the US would lessen its unconditional support. The issue is that Israel thinks it can get away with anything; take away their position of absolute power, and they will act as reasonably as any other nation.

The issue is that many on the Muslim side, like the person you are responding to, still make no bones about their exterminationist intentions. Until that changes, the unconditional support by the US is never going to change.

[Divair]

There is nothing worth a nuclear war, save the survival of the human race, and Israel *can* be pressured, if only the US would lessen its unconditional support. The issue is that Israel thinks it can get away with anything; take away their position of absolute power, and they will act as reasonably as any other nation.

The issue is that many on the Muslim side, like the person you are responding to, still make no bones about their exterminationist intentions. Until that changes, the unconditional support by the US is never going to change.

Palestinian side won't back down until the Israeli side backs down. Israeli side won't back down until the Palestinian side backs down.


Never ending conflict. Welcome to the Middle East.

[Conserative Morality]

The issue is that many on the Muslim side, like the person you are responding to, still make no bones about their exterminationist intentions. Until that changes, the unconditional support by the US is never going to change.

And until Israel stops it's policy of ethnic cleansing in Palestine, these exterminationist intentions will not die down. Israel is fostering these ideas through it's actions.

These people are a minority of Muslims and Arabs. They may not be friendly towards Israel, but most have accepted that they can no longer destroy it, or that it's not right to do so. By taking the actions of a minority and using them to oppress the majority, Israel perpetuates the environment that creates these extreme opinions.

[Tmutarakhan]

The issue is that many on the Muslim side, like the person you are responding to, still make no bones about their exterminationist intentions. Until that changes, the unconditional support by the US is never going to change.

And until Israel stops it's policy of ethnic cleansing in Palestine

This is the kind of crap that drives me nuts here. Exactly how are you defining "ethnic cleansing" that it applies remotely to a case where the ethnic group is still staying there and expanding more rapidly than any other ethnic group in the world? Certainly many of the things that happened in 1948 would fit "ethnic cleansing", but using it for anything happening lately makes the words lose any meaning. Rhetorical usage of highly exaggerated terms is a major obstacle to any rational discussion.

these exterminationist intentions will not die down. Israel is fostering these ideas through it's actions.

This sort of crap, too. The exterminationist intentions did not start in 1948 or even in 1920. The attitude here is that non-Western people are implicitly treated as children or wild animals, who have no moral responsibility for their own choices; everything they do has to be blamed on some Westerners who "make" them do that.

These people are a minority of Muslims and Arabs.

That does not appear to be the case.

They may not be friendly towards Israel, but most have accepted that they can no longer destroy it, or that it's not right to do so.

Source?

[Conserative Morality]

This is the kind of crap that drives me nuts here. Exactly how are you defining "ethnic cleansing" that it applies remotely to a case where the ethnic group is still staying there and expanding more rapidly than any other ethnic group in the world? Certainly many of the things that happened in 1948 would fit "ethnic cleansing", but using it for anything happening lately makes the words lose any meaning. Rhetorical usage of highly exaggerated terms is a major obstacle to any rational discussion.

You know, trying to make an area majority Jewish through application of repression and the use of settlers with the goal of making the land ultimately Israeli when the Palestinians inevitably break free of Israel is ethnic cleansing at the expense of the Palestinians. It's just less blunt than the Serbian method.

Or are you confusing ethnic cleansing with genocide?

This sort of crap, too. The exterminationist intentions did not start in 1948 or even in 1920. The attitude here is that non-Western people are implicitly treated as children or wild animals, who have no moral responsibility for their own choices; everything they do has to be blamed on some Westerners who "make" them do that.

I'm so glad that you read my statement thoroughly and didn't make wild and stupid assumptions based on your own preconceptions!

After all, it's not like one's environment shapes a person, especially not one's political views, and certainly not in the West as well! No, certainly, here I'm saying that only those dirty brown people are affected by their environment! Good show!

These people are a minority of Muslims and Arabs.

That does not appear to be the case.

They may not be friendly towards Israel, but most have accepted that they can no longer destroy it, or that it's not right to do so.

Source?

If I get you a source, promise to eat your words?

[Samonaemia]

There is nothing worth a nuclear war, save the survival of the human race, and Israel *can* be pressured, if only the US would lessen its unconditional support. The issue is that Israel thinks it can get away with anything; take away their position of absolute power, and they will act as reasonably as any other nation.

The issue is that many on the Muslim side, like the person you are responding to, still make no bones about their exterminationist intentions. Until that changes, the unconditional support by the US is never going to change.

Why will we want to exterminate them if they did not kill our brothers and sisters, steal their land, demolish their homes, and frequently terrorizing its neighbors, to the extent of threatening a country like Iran that is 20 times its size, and occupying Syrian, Egyptian, and palestinian territories, being the only country in the region that possesses nuclear weapons, yet not inspected nor questioned by international organizations in the time North Korea is blockaded from all sides for having them, and Iran even when it is not proven that it possesses nuclear weapons is sanctioned and on the brink of being attacked, and in 2008, more than 2000 Palestinians mostly women and children were killed by Israeli airforce, while Hamas's rockets barely claim any human lives, even though it is a legitimate act of resistance. If only... If only the Jews came to our lands seeking refuge from the German nazis, we would have accepted them, but actually taking over our lands, threatening our countries, and plunging this once relitavely peaceful region into chaos, will not be tolerated anymore. PERIOD.

[Samonaemia]

This is the kind of crap that drives me nuts here. Exactly how are you defining "ethnic cleansing" that it applies remotely to a case where the ethnic group is still staying there and expanding more rapidly than any other ethnic group in the world? Certainly many of the things that happened in 1948 would fit "ethnic cleansing", but using it for anything happening lately makes the words lose any meaning. Rhetorical usage of highly exaggerated terms is a major obstacle to any rational discussion.

You know, trying to make an area majority Jewish through application of repression and the use of settlers with the goal of making the land ultimately Israeli when the Palestinians inevitably break free of Israel is ethnic cleansing at the expense of the Palestinians. It's just less blunt than the Serbian method.

Or are you confusing ethnic cleansing with genocide?

This sort of crap, too. The exterminationist intentions did not start in 1948 or even in 1920. The attitude here is that non-Western people are implicitly treated as children or wild animals, who have no moral responsibility for their own choices; everything they do has to be blamed on some Westerners who "make" them do that.

I'm so glad that you read my statement thoroughly and didn't make wild and stupid assumptions based on your own preconceptions!

After all, it's not like one's environment shapes a person, especially not one's political views, and certainly not in the West as well! No, certainly, here I'm saying that only those dirty brown people are affected by their environment! Good show!

That does not appear to be the case.

Source?

If I get you a source, promise to eat your words?

I luv u

[DogDoo 7]

So is Palestine. Alcohol can be found hidden in plain sight pretty much everywhere, there's no "prayer police," and family law is Ottoman (just like in Israel). Yeah, popular sentiment can be uncomfortably religious at times, but then again, try driving through religious neighborhoods in Jerusalem on Saturday and see how comfortable you feel.

You're talking about the West Bank, right? I was under the impression that Palestinians residing in that region were, by and large, more secular than their Arab neighbors. In fact, if I recall correctly, early terrorist organizations, such as the PLO, were generally secular nationalists as opposed to Islamists. I would actually support the creation a Palestinian state provided Fatah or another moderate faction acted as the government. However, I think that the religious extremism and intolerance promoted by more radical political organizations would prove detrimental not only to Israel but also to Palestine.

This is why Hamas/Fatah and Gaza/West Bank need to be unified. Palestinians HIGHLY value education. The West Bank has good universities (and easy access to universities in the Middle East and Beyond). Educated kids tend to be less fundamentalist than their less-educated parents.

And until Israel stops it's policy of ethnic cleansing in Palestine

This is the kind of crap that drives me nuts here. Exactly how are you defining "ethnic cleansing" that it applies remotely to a case where the ethnic group is still staying there and expanding more rapidly than any other ethnic group in the world? Certainly many of the things that happened in 1948 would fit "ethnic cleansing", but using it for anything happening lately makes the words lose any meaning. Rhetorical usage of highly exaggerated terms is a major obstacle to any rational discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Araqeeb
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/bedouin-face-displacement-in-west-bank-corridor-regardless-of-israel-s-constructions-plans.premium-1.482595

There have been precisely 0 new Arab settlements in Israel since 1948. Israel has been decreasing the surface area Arabs live on. Seems like Israel is scrubbing pretty hard.

[DogDoo 7]

The issue is that many on the Muslim side, like the person you are responding to, still make no bones about their exterminationist intentions. Until that changes, the unconditional support by the US is never going to change.

Why will we want to exterminate them if they did not kill our brothers and sisters, steal their land, demolish their homes, and frequently terrorizing its neighbors, to the extent of threatening a country like Iran that is 20 times its size, and occupying Syrian, Egyptian, and palestinian territories, being the only country in the region that possesses nuclear weapons, yet not inspected nor questioned by international organizations in the time North Korea is blockaded from all sides for having them, and Iran even when it is not proven that it possesses nuclear weapons is sanctioned and on the brink of being attacked, and in 2008, more than 2000 Palestinians mostly women and children were killed by Israeli airforce, while Hamas's rockets barely claim any human lives, even though it is a legitimate act of resistance. If only... If only the Jews came to our lands seeking refuge from the German nazis, we would have accepted them, but actually taking over our lands, threatening our countries, and plunging this once relitavely peaceful region into chaos, will not be tolerated anymore. PERIOD.

Can you define "our lands" please?
Also, I've heard the "if only they came as guests we would have welcomed them" many times and its rubbish. There were too many who needed to come to be absorbed without a war (or the surrender of half of Mandatory Palestine in 1948).
Are you living in the territories now?