The war on Christmas

[Neo Art]

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of speech" means "I should not insult anyone" it would be the end of the thread. I have the constitutional right to call BS on your fairy tale, and you have the right to dance around and look up into space and talk to yourself to give yourself comfort .

Actually no, that wouldn't have any impact at all, since precisely nobody is arguing against the fact that everyone has the RIGHT to be insulting. We just have some people arguing if one chooses to exercise this right then other people may dislike you or not shop at your business, and another group arguing that, in addition to the right to be insulting, one also has a right to have everyone else say "thank you sir may I have another" after you insult them.

Again, this entire "war" is basically perpetrated by two sides on the fringe, one of whish seems insistant on screaming "I AM WISHING YOU A MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR FUCKING NOT" and another that prances into any discussion even tangentially related to religion going "sheep, you're all sheep! You are mindless drones to an invisible man, look how offensive I am! Are you not shocked? Are you not appalled? Pay attention to my outragious antics!"

It's the two extreme, already demonstrated in this very thread, throwing their crap at each other, while the rest of us try avoid both them, and the "magical moral middlemen" who seem content to cry "but can't we all just get along!" like they're fucking Ghandi.

We the adult masses who just want to be left the fuck alone and deal with our own lives in our way are getting along. It's the fucking children in the middle that make all the noise.

[Alien Space Bats]

I'm pretty sure that Jesus fella was a socialist. I wonder how he reconciles that.

Jesus got angry at a fig tree for not giving him figs when it was not in season, and cursed it by never letting it grow figs again.

That's not really socialistic.

<sigh>

And I'd lay odds that there's not a single Christian fundamentalist here who can explain that parable, is there?

<shakes head>

That's the problem with literalism: You end up reading all the stories, and when you close the book you haven't a clue as to what any of it meant.

[Neo Art]

Actually no, that wouldn't have any impact at all, since precisely nobody is arguing against the fact that everyone has the RIGHT to be insulting. We just have some people arguing if one chooses to exercise this right then other people may dislike you or not shop at your business, and another group arguing that, in addition to the right to be insulting, one also has a right to have everyone else say "thank you sir may I have another" after you insult them.

So you're saying people do not have the right to boycott a business? I don't understand what you're trying to say....

Really? That's what you got out of that?

[Mavorpen]

Just like Islam is a Muslim's religion and Christianity is a Christian's religion, wouldn't you say that Eid is a Muslim's holiday and Christmas is a Christian's holiday...?

Straw man. I'm saying he doesn't own that particular day. Yes, Christmas is a Christian's holiday, but that would require that you actually celebrate Christmas. I don't celebrate it, therefore it's not my holiday. It's not my holiday, therefore you are claiming that the day is yours period by saying, "Merry Christmas."

No.

Fantastic argument.

[Bottle]

Actually no, that wouldn't have any impact at all, since precisely nobody is arguing against the fact that everyone has the RIGHT to be insulting. We just have some people arguing if one chooses to exercise this right then other people may dislike you or not shop at your business, and another group arguing that, in addition to the right to be insulting, one also has a right to have everyone else say "thank you sir may I have another" after you insult them.

Again, this entire "war" is basically perpetrated by two sides on the fringe, one of whish seems insistant on screaming "I AM WISHING YOU A MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR FUCKING NOT" and another that prances into any discussion even tangentially related to religion going "sheep, you're all sheep! You are mindless drones to an invisible man, look how offensive I am! Are you not shocked? Are you not appalled? Pay attention to my outragious antics!"

It's the two extreme, already demonstrated in this very thread, throwing their crap at each other, while the rest of us try avoid both them, and the "magical moral middlemen" who seem content to cry "but can't we all just get along!" like they're fucking Ghandi.

We the adult masses who just want to be left the fuck alone and deal with our own lives in our way are getting along. It's the fucking children in the middle that make all the noise.

Sums it up.

I'll be over here preparing to decorate pornographic Christmas cookies* with my godless family if anybody needs me.


*Taking requests for this year's batch. Previous editions have included: Naked Santa, Lady Godiva (featuring a very festive frosting bush), Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Pubes, and the now-infamous Why Rudolph Why?? series of reindeer cookies.

[Galloism]

Again, this entire "war" is basically perpetrated by two sides on the fringe, one of whish seems insistant on screaming "I AM WISHING YOU A MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR FUCKING NOT" and another that prances into any discussion even tangentially related to religion going "sheep, you're all sheep! You are mindless drones to an invisible man, look how offensive I am! Are you not shocked? Are you not appalled? Pay attention to my outragious antics!"

It's the two extreme, already demonstrated in this very thread, throwing their crap at each other, while the rest of us try avoid both them, and the "magical moral middlemen" who seem content to cry "but can't we all just get along!" like they're fucking Ghandi.

We the adult masses who just want to be left the fuck alone and deal with our own lives in our way are getting along. It's the fucking children in the middle that make all the noise.

Sums it up.

I'll be over here preparing to decorate pornographic Christmas cookies* with my godless family if anybody needs me.


*Taking requests for this year's batch. Previous editions have included: Naked Santa, Lady Godiva (featuring a very festive frosting bush), Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Pubes, and the now-infamous Why Rudolph Why?? series of reindeer cookies.

You could always do the "Elves show Santa why he doesn't need Mrs. Claus" holiday arrangement.

[Ibwa]

should people boycot big buisnesses during holidays? or is it alright for them take advatage of it?

[Tekania]

should people boycot big buisnesses during holidays? or is it alright for them take advatage of it?

The answer is, yes.

[The Emerald Dawn]

should people boycot big buisnesses during holidays? or is it alright for them take advatage of it?

The answer is, yes.

I thought the answer was Jesus....

[Zayaz]

War on a holiday based on lies, fairy tales and pervasive consumerism? count me in!

[Farnhamia]

The answer is, yes.

I thought the answer was Jesus....

Used to be. Now it's just yes. Or, as Molly Bloom put it, "...I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes."

[The Emerald Dawn]

I thought the answer was Jesus....

Used to be. Now it's just yes. Or, as Molly Bloom put it, "...I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes."

Huh. Learn something every day.
I always thought Sister Renna was misleading us.

"Now TED, Jesus is always the answer."
"So...when someone asks me who touched me in my no-no zone, I tell them Jesus?"

[Farnhamia]

Used to be. Now it's just yes. Or, as Molly Bloom put it, "...I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes."

Huh. Learn something every day.
I always thought Sister Renna was misleading us.

"Now TED, Jesus is always the answer."
"So...when someone asks me who touched me in my no-no zone, I tell them Jesus?"

Yes.

[Tekania]

Used to be. Now it's just yes. Or, as Molly Bloom put it, "...I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes."

Huh. Learn something every day.
I always thought Sister Renna was misleading us.

"Now TED, Jesus is always the answer."
"So...when someone asks me who touched me in my no-no zone, I tell them Jesus?"

It's at times like now that I miss my wife.... she's with Jesus now....

OR Jose, I keep forgetting what that Spanish bastards name was.



This is purely in jest, of course.

[The Black Forrest]

Huh. Learn something every day.
I always thought Sister Renna was misleading us.

"Now TED, Jesus is always the answer."
"So...when someone asks me who touched me in my no-no zone, I tell them Jesus?"

It's at times like now that I miss my wife.... she's with Jesus now....

OR Jose, I keep forgetting what that Spanish bastards name was.



This is purely in jest, of course.

Your wife said to say hi.

[Ibwa]

It's at times like now that I miss my wife.... she's with Jesus now....

OR Jose, I keep forgetting what that Spanish bastards name was.



This is purely in jest, of course.

thats kinda mean,you dont mess with people like that.

Your wife said to say hi.

thats kinda mean, you mess with people like that

[Pope Joan]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

[Ibwa]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

how is santa not christan anymore, did the immagrents take his job too?

[Hurdegaryp]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

You've got a point there. However, there's this tradition to have a celebration in december, and this tradition is thousands of years old and spans a wild variety of human civilizations and religions. Christianity just followed suit and here we are.

[Divair]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

When WAS Santa Christian?

[Hurdegaryp]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

When WAS Santa Christian?

When he was still called Saint Nicholas, a verified saint. Santa Claus is pretty much a deranged mutation of this bishop.

[Neo Art]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

When WAS Santa Christian?

When he was still called Saint Nicholas

[Khadgar]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

Mid August is right at the start of the school term though. Best to have it in early August or late July.

[Big Jim P]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

O any other day for that matter. Wehn you get right down to brass tacks, You, your wife, and Roan celebrate Christs birth every morning.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Speaking as a Christian, I think the holiday has become a social event and a merchandizing bonanza. I would prefer it no longer bear a religious name, just call it Winterfest. Keep Santa, he's not Christian any more. Have gifts and songs and sales blitzes and strong drink and the whole shebang.

Then move the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth- a date no one can establish with certainty anyway- to mid August, when nothing else is going on. No school parties, no big sales events, just some candles and songs and prayers.

It would be wonderful.

When WAS Santa Christian?

"Jolly old Saint Nicholas, lean your ear this way. Don't you tell a single soul, what I'm going to say. Christmas Eve is coming soon, now you dear old man, whisper what you'll bring to me, tell me if you can.