The war on Christmas

[Tekania]

I hate the word winter holiday. Would you call eid or Divali something else? No... Well why treat Christian Christmas any different?

It's a holiday, it happens in winter.... winter holiday.... what is there to hate?

[Farnhamia]

It's more like, "What an inconsiderate asshole, assuming that I'm a Christian without knowing me."

1. Who says he's assuming that you're Christian? It may just be his holiday, and all he's doing is wishing you well on his holiday. What's wrong wit that?
2. Why does assuming that you are Christian make one an ''inconsiderate asshole''? It does make him 'wrong', but a inconsiderate asshole...really?

Perhaps "splashing" was an odd term to use, but the point is, you don't seem to understand that not everyone shares your outlook. I personally don't care, but some folks might not care to be "Merry Christmas'ed."

I understand. And I seem to understand.
And to continue with the patronizing; what you don't seem to understand is that even though you don't celebrate the same holidays, you shouldn't get offended by being greeted. And I'm sure this has only something to do with religion. Muslims don't want to be Merry Christmas'ed, Christians don't want to be Shabbat Shalom'ed, Jews don't want to be Eid Mubarak'ed, etc. I bet there's no problem the second it leaves the question of 'belief' and enters national traditions and the like. Just shows that it all comes down to religious pride.

Patronizing? "People are idiots if they get offended by being wished a merry or happy or good [insert any religious and/or traditional holiday or festival], even if they're not celebrating it themselves. I mean, grow the fuck up, put a lid on your obnoxious religious pride, and welcome a fucking greeting" strike me as pretty fucking patronizing.

[Neo Art]

1. Who says he's assuming that you're Christian? It may just be his holiday, and all he's doing is wishing you well on his holiday. What's wrong wit that?
2. Why does assuming that you are Christian make one an ''inconsiderate asshole''? It does make him 'wrong', but a inconsiderate asshole...really?


I understand. And I seem to understand.
And to continue with the patronizing; what you don't seem to understand is that even though you don't celebrate the same holidays, you shouldn't get offended by being greeted. And I'm sure this has only something to do with religion. Muslims don't want to be Merry Christmas'ed, Christians don't want to be Shabbat Shalom'ed, Jews don't want to be Eid Mubarak'ed, etc. I bet there's no problem the second it leaves the question of 'belief' and enters national traditions and the like. Just shows that it all comes down to religious pride.

Patronizing? "People are idiots if they get offended by being wished a merry or happy or good [insert any religious and/or traditional holiday or festival], even if they're not celebrating it themselves. I mean, grow the fuck up, put a lid on your obnoxious religious pride, and welcome a fucking greeting" strike me as pretty fucking patronizing.

Hey, I'm clearly trying to wish you peace on earth and good will towards mankind. Now sit your fucking ass down and LIKE IT

[Bottle]

''splashing your greeting'', yeah, it's like an assault isn't it...
Anyway, my point was pretty clear; even though you're not part of someone's ''particular spiritual persuasion'', you've got no reason to get upset about being greeted. If you can turn a greeting into an insult, you've got some serious negativity issues you need to address.

Perhaps "splashing" was an odd term to use, but the point is, you don't seem to understand that not everyone shares your outlook. I personally don't care, but some folks might not care to be "Merry Christmas'ed."

Some people named Richard don't appreciate being called "Dick." They may react negatively if you call them "Dick," especially if they have expressed to you that they prefer Rick or Richard. Thus, if you walk around calling everyone named Richard by the name "Dick," you are running a good chance of annoying people. You can choose to be annoying if you want, but there's no point in acting huffy when people get annoyed with your annoying behavior.

This is a concept most people have no problem grasping...unless we're talking about the word "Christmas." In which case suddenly it becomes WAY TOO FUCKING CONFUSING to understand that some people prefer different things and that IF you choose not to be considerate of this then people are likely to view you as inconsiderate.

[Ethel mermania]

I've got two words for the GOP.

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[Copenhagen Metropolis]

1. Who says he's assuming that you're Christian? It may just be his holiday, and all he's doing is wishing you well on his holiday. What's wrong wit that?
2. Why does assuming that you are Christian make one an ''inconsiderate asshole''? It does make him 'wrong', but a inconsiderate asshole...really?


I understand. And I seem to understand.
And to continue with the patronizing; what you don't seem to understand is that even though you don't celebrate the same holidays, you shouldn't get offended by being greeted. And I'm sure this has only something to do with religion. Muslims don't want to be Merry Christmas'ed, Christians don't want to be Shabbat Shalom'ed, Jews don't want to be Eid Mubarak'ed, etc. I bet there's no problem the second it leaves the question of 'belief' and enters national traditions and the like. Just shows that it all comes down to religious pride.

Patronizing? "People are idiots if they get offended by being wished a merry or happy or good [insert any religious and/or traditional holiday or festival], even if they're not celebrating it themselves. I mean, grow the fuck up, put a lid on your obnoxious religious pride, and welcome a fucking greeting" strike me as pretty fucking patronizing.

You don't know what the word 'patronizing' means then.

[Neo Art]

Patronizing? "People are idiots if they get offended by being wished a merry or happy or good [insert any religious and/or traditional holiday or festival], even if they're not celebrating it themselves. I mean, grow the fuck up, put a lid on your obnoxious religious pride, and welcome a fucking greeting" strike me as pretty fucking patronizing.

You don't know what the word 'patronizing' means then.

Is this more ITGism? Really? You think this impresses people?

Really?

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

Patronizing? "People are idiots if they get offended by being wished a merry or happy or good [insert any religious and/or traditional holiday or festival], even if they're not celebrating it themselves. I mean, grow the fuck up, put a lid on your obnoxious religious pride, and welcome a fucking greeting" strike me as pretty fucking patronizing.

Hey, I'm clearly trying to wish you peace on earth and good will towards mankind. Now sit your fucking ass down and LIKE IT

Someone told me 'good day' today. I don't believe in 'day', so I slapped him over the face. What an inconsiderate bastard, amirite?

[Neo Art]

Hey, I'm clearly trying to wish you peace on earth and good will towards mankind. Now sit your fucking ass down and LIKE IT

Someone told me 'good day' today. I don't believe in 'day', so I slapped him over the face. What an inconsiderate bastard, amirite?

You are awful at this.

I mean, like, really, really bad.

[Mavorpen]

1. Who says he's assuming that you're Christian? It may just be his holiday, and all he's doing is wishing you well on his holiday. What's wrong wit that?

It's not "his" holiday. He doesn't own his own day. He is assuming I'm a Christian and that I celebrate his holiday.

2. Why does assuming that you are Christian make one an ''inconsiderate asshole''? It does make him 'wrong', but a inconsiderate asshole...really?

Yes, really.

[Applejacks Equestria]

I just watched an episode of Bill O'Riley last night about the war on christmas and how the media and the government should use the term "Holiday" insted of Christmas, is that a good thing? As to not offend people of other religions/ethnic groups should the government restrict the names of holidays?I also found a cuple of interesting articals as well
http://mnsho.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/the-war-on-christmas/
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1868542,00.html


So whats your opinion? Is the war on christmas BS or realistic?
and sorry if this topic isnt well put together

Total BS. If you say that people can't say Christmas, then the only way it could be fair is if you told Jewish people that they can't say Hanukkah. One religion shouldn't be treated differently just because it's larger.

[Divair]

I just watched an episode of Bill O'Riley last night about the war on christmas and how the media and the government should use the term "Holiday" insted of Christmas, is that a good thing? As to not offend people of other religions/ethnic groups should the government restrict the names of holidays?I also found a cuple of interesting articals as well
http://mnsho.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/the-war-on-christmas/
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1868542,00.html


So whats your opinion? Is the war on christmas BS or realistic?
and sorry if this topic isnt well put together

Total BS. If you say that people can't say Christmas, then the only way it could be fair is if you told Jewish people that they can't say Hanukkah. One religion shouldn't be treated differently just because it's larger.

No one is preventing Christians from saying Christmas.

[Neo Art]

I just watched an episode of Bill O'Riley last night about the war on christmas and how the media and the government should use the term "Holiday" insted of Christmas, is that a good thing? As to not offend people of other religions/ethnic groups should the government restrict the names of holidays?I also found a cuple of interesting articals as well
http://mnsho.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/the-war-on-christmas/
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1868542,00.html


So whats your opinion? Is the war on christmas BS or realistic?
and sorry if this topic isnt well put together

Total BS. If you say that people can't say Christmas, then the only way it could be fair is if you told Jewish people that they can't say Hanukkah. One religion shouldn't be treated differently just because it's larger.

Wow, thank you new person, for taking the first post in a 27 page thread and commenting on it, without bothering to look into the ongoing discussion.

You're going to fit right in

[South Cvandia]

The United States Government is a Secular government, they should not recognize a religion, or officially only say "Merry Christmas". If you are not going to include all religions, you should include none. Public Schools, should say, Happy Holidays, it's a government program, the constitution applies to them. Business can do whatever the fuck they want, and I can avoid shopping there, that's how the world works.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

Someone told me 'good day' today. I don't believe in 'day', so I slapped him over the face. What an inconsiderate bastard, amirite?

You are awful at this.

I mean, like, really, really bad.

When the ''arguments'' have come down to 'you bad, me good', I'll just let is slide...

(and when I say 'come down to', it doesn't actually imply it ever having been anything else than just namecalling)

[Divair]

The United States Government is a Secular government, they should not recognize a religion, or officially only say "Merry Christmas". If you are not going to include all religions, you should include none. Public Schools, should say, Happy Holidays, it's a government program, the constitution applies to them. Business can do whatever the fuck they want, and I can avoid shopping there, that's how the world works.

This should be the end of the thread.

[Bottle]

Total BS. If you say that people can't say Christmas, then the only way it could be fair is if you told Jewish people that they can't say Hanukkah. One religion shouldn't be treated differently just because it's larger.

Wow, thank you new person, for taking the first post in a 27 page thread and commenting on it, without bothering to look into the ongoing discussion.

You're going to fit right in

I guess the OP should take it as a compliment. The first post was so very moving that someone was compelled to login (potential even creating a new nation beforehand) purely to comment on that first post. They clearly are not interested in the TOPIC, just that post. So, congrats, OP!

[Bottle]

The United States Government is a Secular government, they should not recognize a religion, or officially only say "Merry Christmas". If you are not going to include all religions, you should include none. Public Schools, should say, Happy Holidays, it's a government program, the constitution applies to them. Business can do whatever the fuck they want, and I can avoid shopping there, that's how the world works.

This should be the end of the thread.

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of religion" means "I am free to express my religious beliefs in any way I choose without any social consequences of any sort from anybody ever," and if this forum weren't populated by many of said Americans, then perhaps it would be the end of the thread.

[Divair]

This should be the end of the thread.

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of religion" means "I am free to express my religious beliefs in any way I choose without any social consequences of any sort from anybody ever," and if this forum weren't populated by many of said Americans, then perhaps it would be the end of the thread.

A man can dream. And then have his hopes crushed.

[South Cvandia]

This should be the end of the thread.

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of religion" means "I am free to express my religious beliefs in any way I choose without any social consequences of any sort from anybody ever," and if this forum weren't populated by many of said Americans, then perhaps it would be the end of the thread.

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of speech" means "I should not insult anyone" it would be the end of the thread. I have the constitutional right to call BS on your fairy tale, and you have the right to dance around and look up into space and talk to yourself to give yourself comfort .

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

1. Who says he's assuming that you're Christian? It may just be his holiday, and all he's doing is wishing you well on his holiday. What's wrong wit that?

It's not "his" holiday. He doesn't own his own day.

Just like Islam is a Muslim's religion and Christianity is a Christian's religion, wouldn't you say that Eid is a Muslim's holiday and Christmas is a Christian's holiday...?

He is assuming I'm a Christian and that I celebrate his holiday.

No.

Yes, really.

Oversensitive much?

[Neo Art]

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of religion" means "I am free to express my religious beliefs in any way I choose without any social consequences of any sort from anybody ever," and if this forum weren't populated by many of said Americans, then perhaps it would be the end of the thread.

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of speech" means "I should not insult anyone" it would be the end of the thread. I have the constitutional right to call BS on your fairy tale, and you have the right to dance around and look up into space and talk to yourself to give yourself comfort .

...who the fuck are you talking to?

[Bottle]

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of religion" means "I am free to express my religious beliefs in any way I choose without any social consequences of any sort from anybody ever," and if this forum weren't populated by many of said Americans, then perhaps it would be the end of the thread.

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of speech" means "I should not insult anyone" it would be the end of the thread. I have the constitutional right to call BS on your fairy tale, and you have the right to dance around and look up into space and talk to yourself to give yourself comfort .

Actually no, that wouldn't have any impact at all, since precisely nobody is arguing against the fact that everyone has the RIGHT to be insulting. We just have some people arguing that if one chooses to exercise this right then one may find oneself disliked and avoided by others, while another group argues that no, one also has a right to command other people to be grateful rather than insulted.

[South Cvandia]

I read somewhere earlier in this topic and would like emphasize this. There is NOT a war AGAINST christmas, there is a war FOR christmas raged by the far-right wing. No one is telling people who are not employed by the United States Government to not say Merry Christmas. What O'Reilly is fucking worried about is the "changing demographics" as he said about the elections. It is not the same america anymore, and I'll go around say Happy Holiday for our one true deity, the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[South Cvandia]

And if America weren't full of people who believe "freedom of speech" means "I should not insult anyone" it would be the end of the thread. I have the constitutional right to call BS on your fairy tale, and you have the right to dance around and look up into space and talk to yourself to give yourself comfort .

Actually no, that wouldn't have any impact at all, since precisely nobody is arguing against the fact that everyone has the RIGHT to be insulting. We just have some people arguing if one chooses to exercise this right then other people may dislike you or not shop at your business, and another group arguing that, in addition to the right to be insulting, one also has a right to have everyone else say "thank you sir may I have another" after you insult them.

So you're saying people do not have the right to boycott a business? I don't understand what you're trying to say....