The war on Christmas

[Mavorpen]

Hasn't happened, hasn't happened, hasn't happened.

Actually you would be surprised the kinds of anti religious things pulled in the Soviet Union.

Best goal post moving I've seen yet.

[Uiiop]

Hasn't happened, hasn't happened, hasn't happened.

Actually you would be surprised the kinds of anti religious things pulled in the Soviet Union.

uhh... we meant today not the cold war.... and secularists/=/communists

[Srboslavija]

Secularists trying to ban religious icons in public. Secularists trying to ban teaching religion in school. Secularists trying to ban Christmas related things...

1st: don't see it
2nd: banning teaching only one religion and not others if not in a biased matter isn't banning teaching of religion
3rd: still don't see it

Sounds like Jesus can help, and maybe then you'll see it...

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

[The Emerald Dawn]

1st: don't see it
2nd: banning teaching only one religion and not others if not in a biased matter isn't banning teaching of religion
3rd: still don't see it

Sounds like Jesus can help, and maybe then you'll see it...

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

Remember, Jesus is always the answer.

"Who touched you inappropriately, Timmy?"

[Citation needed]

[Uiiop]

1st: don't see it
2nd: banning teaching only one religion and not others if not in a biased matter isn't banning teaching of religion
3rd: still don't see it

Sounds like Jesus can help, and maybe then you'll see it...

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

I asked him and i was met with a automated message.... and not all Christians believe in this war... What if you're wrong and they're right? I asked him again and he gave me a implied facepalm directed at your post

[Tekania]

No, offense, but Tek's suggestion is better... Between that and the Tekmas sub he's winning the thread.

Oh. Were we competing? Because if we are, I'll just bow out. I suck at competitions.

Yes, it's soon to be televised as The Post.... it's a blind audition for humorous forum posts.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Oh. Were we competing? Because if we are, I'll just bow out. I suck at competitions.

Yes, it's soon to be televised as The Post.... it's a blind audition for humorous forum posts.

Oh man, I'm so out of that. I'm only funny to myself, my wife, and maybe indirectly other Irish folks.

[Tekania]

Call it Jeremiah, and decorate it with bullfrog ornaments.

And wine?

Well, I guess you can use the wine to decorate with.... but according to tradition (dating back to about 13 seconds ago) the wine is to be drunk while decorating.

[Srboslavija]

The abbreviation X is invented as a convenience by Christians, and we (that is Christians) have been abbreviating Christ in such manner with Chi for over a millennium. That is both the historical and modern context. Xmas = Christmas, Xtian is Christian, Xtina = Christina. XP = Christ.

I'd be willing to concede this point if not for the active campaign to remove Christmas from public life.

If you advocate abbreviating Christmas, by the same token would you be ok with me wishing you a very 'Merry Jesus Chirstmas', because I prefer full context.

[Uiiop]

The abbreviation X is invented as a convenience by Christians, and we (that is Christians) have been abbreviating Christ in such manner with Chi for over a millennium. That is both the historical and modern context. Xmas = Christmas, Xtian is Christian, Xtina = Christina. XP = Christ.

I'd be willing to concede this point if not for the active campaign to remove Christmas from public life.

If you advocate abbreviating Christmas, by the same token would you be ok with me wishing you a very 'Merry Jesus Chirstmas', because I prefer full context.

what campaign are you talking about? can you send me proof of this other than a name change?

[Farnhamia]

The abbreviation X is invented as a convenience by Christians, and we (that is Christians) have been abbreviating Christ in such manner with Chi for over a millennium. That is both the historical and modern context. Xmas = Christmas, Xtian is Christian, Xtina = Christina. XP = Christ.

I'd be willing to concede this point if not for the active campaign to remove Christmas from public life.

If you advocate abbreviating Christmas, by the same token would you be ok with me wishing you a very 'Merry Jesus Chirstmas', because I prefer full context.

Concede, don't concede, the abbreviation is a Christian invention. Paper, vellum, parchment was very expensive. Ancient manuscripts are filled with abbreviations.

[Khadgar]

The abbreviation X is invented as a convenience by Christians, and we (that is Christians) have been abbreviating Christ in such manner with Chi for over a millennium. That is both the historical and modern context. Xmas = Christmas, Xtian is Christian, Xtina = Christina. XP = Christ.

I'd be willing to concede this point if not for the active campaign to remove Christmas from public life.

If you advocate abbreviating Christmas, by the same token would you be ok with me wishing you a very 'Merry Jesus Chirstmas', because I prefer full context.

Why is it only Fox News viewers ever see such things?

[Tekania]

The abbreviation X is invented as a convenience by Christians, and we (that is Christians) have been abbreviating Christ in such manner with Chi for over a millennium. That is both the historical and modern context. Xmas = Christmas, Xtian is Christian, Xtina = Christina. XP = Christ.

I'd be willing to concede this point if not for the active campaign to remove Christmas from public life.

If you advocate abbreviating Christmas, by the same token would you be ok with me wishing you a very 'Merry Jesus Chirstmas', because I prefer full context.

Don't insist on abbreviating. I'm saying the abbreviation is perfectly valid. There isn't an active campaign to remove Christmas from public life. Sure there are people who have issue on constitutionally grounds of government sponsored religious observations. But people are perfectly free to celebrate Christmas.

I don't have issue with what you decide to greet others with.

[Srboslavija]

I'd be willing to concede this point if not for the active campaign to remove Christmas from public life.

If you advocate abbreviating Christmas, by the same token would you be ok with me wishing you a very 'Merry Jesus Chirstmas', because I prefer full context.

Concede, don't concede, the abbreviation is a Christian invention. Paper, vellum, parchment was very expensive. Ancient manuscripts are filled with abbreviations.

Maybe you didn't notice but it's 2012, almost 2013.

There is a completely different motive behind the usage in a modern context. Try to keep up.

[Tekania]

I'd be willing to concede this point if not for the active campaign to remove Christmas from public life.

If you advocate abbreviating Christmas, by the same token would you be ok with me wishing you a very 'Merry Jesus Chirstmas', because I prefer full context.

Why is it only Fox News viewers ever see such things?

Not sure.... I've yet to have any gestapo show up at my front door and force me not put up me nativity in my front yard.

[Uiiop]

Concede, don't concede, the abbreviation is a Christian invention. Paper, vellum, parchment was very expensive. Ancient manuscripts are filled with abbreviations.

Maybe you didn't notice but it's 2012, almost 2013.

There is a completely different motive behind the usage in a modern context. Try to keep up.

how do you know this? who told you and what makes them right? what if you're wrong about this?

[Dyakovo]

Concede, don't concede, the abbreviation is a Christian invention. Paper, vellum, parchment was very expensive. Ancient manuscripts are filled with abbreviations.

Maybe you didn't notice but it's 2012, almost 2013.

There is a completely different motive behind the usage in a modern context. Try to keep up.

[citation needed]

[Dyakovo]

Why is it only Fox News viewers ever see such things?

Not sure.... I've yet to have any gestapo show up at my front door and force me not put up me nativity in my front yard.

They're a little busy... They might make it next year.

[Tekania]

Concede, don't concede, the abbreviation is a Christian invention. Paper, vellum, parchment was very expensive. Ancient manuscripts are filled with abbreviations.

Maybe you didn't notice but it's 2012, almost 2013.

There is a completely different motive behind the usage in a modern context. Try to keep up.

No, we Christians are using Xmas now like we were 59 years ago, or 200 years ago. Our meaning hasn't changed.

[Sollis]

I think it's a continuation of the Liberal war on tradition and their hatred of it. It's freakin Christmas, and it should be called Christmas! I'm not even a Christian, but I go along with it. It's a good family oriented holiday....oh wait that's probably why the liberals want to kill it.

Even though it was Bill O'Riely (noted non-liberal) who suggested it was called the holidays. Get it straight before you go posting stuff on the internet.

[Srboslavija]

I'd be willing to concede this point if not for the active campaign to remove Christmas from public life.

If you advocate abbreviating Christmas, by the same token would you be ok with me wishing you a very 'Merry Jesus Chirstmas', because I prefer full context.

what campaign are you talking about? can you send me proof of this other than a name change?

http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/issues/religious-liberty

Alliance Defending Freedom [collective of Christian attorneys] deal with it on an almost daily basis, especially come December when the ACLU, AA etc are at their most bitter and Grinch-like. These guys are our ground troops in the 'War on Christmas', the special ops that ensure Jesus is here to stay.

And when I say the War on Christmas was fought (and won) in the early 00s I refer to their [our] successes;

A Winning Record

80% of all cases litigated have been won

38 U.S. Supreme Court victories


Thanks be to God, Alliance Defending Freedom and its allies have won 8 out of every 10 cases litigated to conclusion, including 38 precedent-setting victories at the U.S. Supreme Court and hundreds more in the lower courts.

As a result, the God-given, constitutionally protected right to religious freedom has been restored for thousands of Christians – students, parents, business owners, employees, pastors, and community members – who were previously censored or punished, but are now free to live out their faith.

http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/about/history

[Uiiop]

what campaign are you talking about? can you send me proof of this other than a name change?

http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/issues/religious-liberty

Alliance Defending Freedom [collective of Christian attorneys] deal with it on an almost daily basis, especially come December when the ACLU, AA etc are at their most bitter and Grinch-like. These guys are our ground troops in the 'War on Christmas', the special ops that ensure Jesus is here to stay.

And when I say the War on Christmas was fought (and won) in the early 00s I refer to their [our] successes;

A Winning Record

80% of all cases litigated have been won

38 U.S. Supreme Court victories


Thanks be to God, Alliance Defending Freedom and its allies have won 8 out of every 10 cases litigated to conclusion, including 38 precedent-setting victories at the U.S. Supreme Court and hundreds more in the lower courts.

As a result, the God-given, constitutionally protected right to religious freedom has been restored for thousands of Christians – students, parents, business owners, employees, pastors, and community members – who were previously censored or punished, but are now free to live out their faith.

http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/about/history

OBJECTION
http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/ check it and you see that ACLU is not a strictly anti-christian union
and isn't the 13 step program that AA uses is based on religion? even atheist are critical of it because of it
http://religionvirus.blogspot.com/2010/ ... ogram.html

[Farnhamia]

Concede, don't concede, the abbreviation is a Christian invention. Paper, vellum, parchment was very expensive. Ancient manuscripts are filled with abbreviations.

Maybe you didn't notice but it's 2012, almost 2013.

There is a completely different motive behind the usage in a modern context. Try to keep up.

Keep up? Try to grow up. How weak is your faith that you cannot stand up to being corrected on something that is not debated among knowledgeable people? Be a man and admit you were wrong.

[Srboslavija]

OBJECTION
http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/ check it and you see that ACLU is not a strictly anti-christian union
and isn't the 13 step program that AA uses is based on religion? even atheist are critical of it because of it
http://religionvirus.blogspot.com/2010/ ... ogram.html

AA as in American Athiests [http://atheists.org/]

The ACLU can make the claims they want, but the facts are in their actions. I generally avoid their propaganda.

[Bottle]

The ACLU can make the claims they want, but the facts are in their actions. I generally avoid their propaganda.

Please present said facts.

Give specific cases, please, and/or direct primary journal articles, statistics, etc. Editorials and other such material is not relevant.