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Postby Neo Art » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:50 pm

Chimeion wrote: Holiday means 'holy day.'


No it doesn't. Stop lying.
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Postby Chimeion » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:51 pm

North Franklin wrote:
Chimeion wrote:Happy Holidays is far more offensive then Merry Christmas.


Holiday means 'holy day.'

By saying Happy Holiday, you are basically calling New Year's Eve and Christmas a holy day.

Let's be nice and just say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year's!

No, Holiday is the sacred day for Pastafarians. Please do not demean my religion with your pagan definitions, and stop declaring a war on Holiday.


Holiday = sacred day for a Religion = holy day.


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:52 pm

Chimeion wrote:Happy Holidays is far more offensive then Merry Christmas.


Holiday means 'holy day.'

By saying Happy Holiday, you are basically calling New Year's Eve and Christmas a holy day.

Let's be nice and just say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year's!

Etymology is fun, isn't it?

Not really an argument, though. I mean, Fourth of July is a holiday, so is presidents day. Once words become words they change meaning and connotation, imagine what happens with you use words to create other words.

So, you get no prize for being the 100th person to try this pedantic double think. Back to the end of the line, spend your wait coming up with something better.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:53 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Chimeion wrote: Holiday means 'holy day.'


No it doesn't. Stop lying.



holiday (n.) Look up holiday at Dictionary.com
1500s, earlier haliday (c.1200), from O.E. haligdæg "holy day; Sabbath," from halig "holy" (see holy) + dæg "day" (see day); in 14c. meaning both "religious festival" and "day of recreation," but pronunciation and sense diverged 16c. As a verb meaning "to pass the holidays" by 1869.

I'm not agreeing that it is now exclusively Windermere, but it does seem to mean that.

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Postby Chimeion » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:53 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Chimeion wrote:Happy Holidays is far more offensive then Merry Christmas.


Holiday means 'holy day.'

By saying Happy Holiday, you are basically calling New Year's Eve and Christmas a holy day.

Let's be nice and just say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year's!

Etymology is fun, isn't it?

Not really an argument, though. I mean, Fourth of July is a holiday, so is presidents day. Once words become words they change meaning and connotation, imagine what happens with you use words to create other words.

So, you get no prize for being the 100th person to try this pedantic double think. Back to the end of the line, spend your wait coming up with something better.



Only the 100th?

Well shit.

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Postby Abatael » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:54 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
No it doesn't. Stop lying.



holiday (n.) Look up holiday at Dictionary.com
1500s, earlier haliday (c.1200), from O.E. haligdæg "holy day; Sabbath," from halig "holy" (see holy) + dæg "day" (see day); in 14c. meaning both "religious festival" and "day of recreation," but pronunciation and sense diverged 16c. As a verb meaning "to pass the holidays" by 1869.

I'm not agreeing that it is now exclusively Windermere, but it does seem to mean that.


That what it means etymologically, but you don't honestly expect that from him do you?
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Postby Neo Art » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:55 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
No it doesn't. Stop lying.



holiday (n.) Look up holiday at Dictionary.com
1500s, earlier haliday (c.1200), from O.E. haligdæg "holy day; Sabbath," from halig "holy" (see holy) + dæg "day" (see day); in 14c. meaning both "religious festival" and "day of recreation," but pronunciation and sense diverged 16c. As a verb meaning "to pass the holidays" by 1869.

I'm not agreeing that it is now exclusively Windermere, but it does seem to mean that.


The etymology of a word has, at best, only a passing relevance to the current usage of the word. As pointed out, president's day, the fourth of july, memorial day, labor day, patriots day, and several others are all "holidays", none of which have religious origins.
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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:55 pm

Chimeion wrote:
North Franklin wrote:No, Holiday is the sacred day for Pastafarians. Please do not demean my religion with your pagan definitions, and stop declaring a war on Holiday.


Holiday = sacred day for a Religion = holy day.


OH NOZ

Holiday = one of the holiest days for Pastafarians.

Try to keep up.

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Postby Chimeion » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:57 pm

Divair wrote:
Chimeion wrote:
Holiday = sacred day for a Religion = holy day.


OH NOZ

Holiday = one of the holiest days for Pastafarians.

Try to keep up.


one of the holiest days for Pastafarians = holy day = holiday

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:57 pm

Neo Art wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:

holiday (n.) Look up holiday at Dictionary.com
1500s, earlier haliday (c.1200), from O.E. haligdæg "holy day; Sabbath," from halig "holy" (see holy) + dæg "day" (see day); in 14c. meaning both "religious festival" and "day of recreation," but pronunciation and sense diverged 16c. As a verb meaning "to pass the holidays" by 1869.

I'm not agreeing that it is now exclusively Windermere, but it does seem to mean that.


The etymology of a word has, at best, only a passing relevance to the current usage of the word. As pointed out, president's day, the fourth of july, memorial day, labor day, patriots day, and several others are all "holidays", none of which have religious origins.

That depends on the word, but I'll allow it.

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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:58 pm

Chimeion wrote:
Divair wrote:Holiday = one of the holiest days for Pastafarians.

Try to keep up.


one of the holiest days for Pastafarians = holy day = holiday

Sure. Holiday = holiday.

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Postby Chimeion » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:59 pm

Divair wrote:
Chimeion wrote:
one of the holiest days for Pastafarians = holy day = holiday

Sure. Holiday = holiday.

And holiday means holy day.

Splendid work, old chap! :hug:

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Postby Neo Art » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:59 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
The etymology of a word has, at best, only a passing relevance to the current usage of the word. As pointed out, president's day, the fourth of july, memorial day, labor day, patriots day, and several others are all "holidays", none of which have religious origins.

That depends on the word, but I'll allow it.


IN FACT, claiming that "holiday" originated from "holy day" as as valid as the straw man evolution argument that "men came from monkeys". Just as men and monkeys came from the common ancestor, the term "holiday" and the term "holy" derived from the same old english root word hāligdæg
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Postby Abatael » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:59 pm

Divair wrote:
Chimeion wrote:
one of the holiest days for Pastafarians = holy day = holiday

Sure. Holiday = holiday.


Yes, by the reflexive property, a holiday does equal a holiday.
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Postby Neo Art » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:00 pm

Chimeion wrote:
Divair wrote:Sure. Holiday = holiday.

And holiday means holy day.

Splendid work, old chap! :hug:


Indeed, Holiday is a holiday and is quite a holy day.

Ramen.
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Postby North Franklin » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:00 pm

Chimeion wrote:
Divair wrote:Holiday = one of the holiest days for Pastafarians.

Try to keep up.


one of the holiest days for Pastafarians = holy day = holiday

No, see, Holiday is a proper noun. Calling it a holy day is like a Christian calling God "god". You're generalizing a specific thing. Holiday is THE holy, not just a holy day.
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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:01 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Chimeion wrote: And holiday means holy day.

Splendid work, old chap! :hug:


Indeed, Holiday is a holiday and is quite a holy day.

Ramen.

Ramen.

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Postby Neo Art » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:01 pm

Abatael wrote:
Divair wrote:Sure. Holiday = holiday.


Yes, by the reflexive property, a holiday does equal a holiday.
You're making some progress.


Oh ffs, I suppose I have to explain the joke now?

The whole parody religion of "pastafarianism", their most sacred holiday is named Holiday. therefore Holiday is a holiday.
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Postby Abatael » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:03 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Yes, by the reflexive property, a holiday does equal a holiday.
You're making some progress.


Oh ffs, I suppose I have to explain the joke now?

The whole parody religion of "pastafarianism", their most sacred holiday is named Holiday. therefore Holiday is a holiday.


Then it is a holiday for them.
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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:04 pm

Abatael wrote:Yes, by the reflexive property, a holiday does equal a holiday.

No, not a holiday. Holiday.

Abatael wrote:You're making some progress.

Progress from what? I didn't disagree with you on anything yet.

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Postby Abatael » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:08 pm

Divair wrote:
Abatael wrote:Yes, by the reflexive property, a holiday does equal a holiday.

No, not a holiday. Holiday.


Yes, "holiday."

Divair wrote:
Abatael wrote:You're making some progress.

Progress from what? I didn't disagree with you on anything yet.


Not progress from something, but progress in something. That "something" would be simple equations, such as x = x, where 'x' equals a holiday.
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Postby Divair » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:09 pm

Abatael wrote:Yes, "holiday."

No, "Holiday". Capital H.

Abatael wrote:Not progress from something, but progress in something. That "something" would be simple equations, such as x = x, where 'x' equals a holiday.

That would imply that Holiday is the same as holiday. It's actually y = x.

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Postby Chimeion » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:12 pm

Well shit.


I didn't mean to open this can of worms.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:43 pm

Who's on first.

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Postby Galborg » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:24 pm

Now the Pope has joined the War against Christmas, he has fatwahed Nativity scenes.

Pope Benedict, meanwhile, has ordered that donkeys, oxen and any other beasts should have no place in nativity scenes as there is no scriptural evidence to support their presence at the manger when Jesus was born.


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