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Postby Renegade Island » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:50 pm

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GCMG wrote:
See immediately below this quoted post and possibly just above this one.

If something doesn't jive with the facts, it doesn't matter HOW good it sounds. The GOP thought that their polling data sounded good, they still lost the general election.


I disagree, I've met several American Citizens here in Scotland who came here to "visit their homeland." Turned out they were at least 5th generation American. :blink:

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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:52 pm

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NERVUN wrote:If something doesn't jive with the facts, it doesn't matter HOW good it sounds. The GOP thought that their polling data sounded good, they still lost the general election.


I disagree, I've met several American Citizens here in Scotland who came here to "visit their homeland." Turned out they were at least 5th generation American. :blink:


And I've met many "Mexicans" who are third generation Americans, yet consider themselves Mexican first, and American second.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:52 pm

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Foreign workers will "change national identity" according to a population expert, unless the flow of immigration is dealt with.

The white British-born community (defined as English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish-born citizens) will fall to less than half of the overall population in just over 50 years.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -2066.html

Under U.N International Law and the Genocide Convention of 1945, large scale mass immigration or the replacement of an indigenous population with a foreign population is defined as genocide.

From the dawn of Humanity in Britain it has always been white. 30, 50, 100 or more thousand years. Now we have this. This is treason and utter failure. Becoming Pakistan and Africa all at the same time is a bad idea.This is what genocide looks like.


I'm pretty sure the country belongs to its citizens, regardless of their color or whether they were immigrants.

And Briton may have been white, but they haven't been the same white. And why is it important they stay white?

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Postby GCMG » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:53 pm

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Socialist States Owen wrote:Largely unsubstantiated alarmist bullshit.


It is not alarmist in that Whites do face a real threat of self extinction, with few exceptions all of the majority white nations are experiencing demographic collapses while being lenient on immigration from majority non-White countries.


Which says nothing for the state of whites as a whole.

Here is a list of nations with significant White populations by fertility rate in 2012 per the CIA World Fact book:


Clearly working on a basis of numbers not proportions... hence South Africa's inclusion. Actually, just ignoring NZ because stuff it works better.

Minimum fertility rate required for sustainable population: 2.1 births/woman.


I think it varies somewhat but that's the case for developed nations with lower death rates.

USA 2.06
Russia 1.61
Brazil 2.16*
Germany 1.41
Italy 1.40
UK 1.91
Poland 1.31
Argentina 2.29*
Australia 1.77
Venezuela 2.40*
Chile 1.87
Portugal 1.51
Hungary 1.41
Cuba 1.45
Norway 1.77
South Africa 2.28*
Ireland 2.01
Croatia 1.44
Puerto Rico 1.63


Presumably the asterisk denotes non-majority. That said, I now see that it is an incomplete list.

As you can see from this listing, all of the majority white nations that still have growing White populations are either majority non-White or are close to shrinking like the others. Should this trend continue the White share of the global population will become smaller and smaller until they cease to exist as distinct ethnic groups.


Again that only speaks for countries. It is unlikely. Particularly because "white" isn't even an ethnic group but also because there's a reason why some people have white skin.
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Postby Atomosea » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:56 pm

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Blakk Metal wrote:Yes it does. By definition.

Under U.N International Law and the Genocide Convention of 1945, large scale mass immigration or the replacement of an indigenous population with a foreign population is defined as genocide.

"Under U.N. International- *vwip* Under U.N. International- *vwip* Under U.N. International- *vwip* Under U.N. International- *vwip*..."

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Postby GCMG » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:01 pm

Ikarouss wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Yes it does. By definition.

Under U.N International Law and the Genocide Convention of 1945, large scale mass immigration or the replacement of an indigenous population with a foreign population is defined as genocide.


Before anyone believes that you'll have to source it. The problem is that the current definitions which have been posted here repeatedly disagree.
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Postby Augarundus » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:02 pm

White people... "their" country.

[troll]Actually, it's the King's country. Those Yeoman pikies should be grateful his (er... her) Majesty allows them on his (her) land.[/troll]

What does it matter? That brown people inhabit the same speck of Atlantic rock that Britons consider sacred? They steal nothing (the nation is not "yours". They have not broken into your house, no?).
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:24 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
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I disagree, I've met several American Citizens here in Scotland who came here to "visit their homeland." Turned out they were at least 5th generation American. :blink:


And I've met many "Mexicans" who are third generation Americans, yet consider themselves Mexican first, and American second.

Oh, excuse me. Obviously you gentlemen's highly subjective, unverifiable, andotial 'experience' of meeting a few people out of a large population should trump actual research and stats. :roll:

No, the numbers don't lie. Sorry.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:29 pm

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And I've met many "Mexicans" who are third generation Americans, yet consider themselves Mexican first, and American second.

Oh, excuse me. Obviously you gentlemen's highly subjective, unverifiable, andotial 'experience' of meeting a few people out of a large population should trump actual research and stats. :roll:

No, the numbers don't lie. Sorry.



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Postby Chefdevergia » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:31 pm

NERVUN wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
And I've met many "Mexicans" who are third generation Americans, yet consider themselves Mexican first, and American second.

Oh, excuse me. Obviously you gentlemen's highly subjective, unverifiable, andotial 'experience' of meeting a few people out of a large population should trump actual research and stats. :roll:

No, the numbers don't lie. Sorry.



But this is the thread which proved that, objectively, white people are much more purdy than everyone else. And more compassionate also. Made me look in the mirror again and realize that I am much less ugly and selfish than I previously thought...

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Postby Renegade Island » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:32 pm

NERVUN wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
And I've met many "Mexicans" who are third generation Americans, yet consider themselves Mexican first, and American second.

Oh, excuse me. Obviously you gentlemen's highly subjective, unverifiable, andotial 'experience' of meeting a few people out of a large population should trump actual research and stats. :roll:

No, the numbers don't lie. Sorry.


I'm not claiming that a majority of people have these views. Just that there are people that do.
And that is a fact.

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Postby NERVUN » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:43 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
NERVUN wrote:Oh, excuse me. Obviously you gentlemen's highly subjective, unverifiable, andotial 'experience' of meeting a few people out of a large population should trump actual research and stats. :roll:

No, the numbers don't lie. Sorry.



Mhmmm http://www.crossculturecommunications.com/latino-hispanic.pdf

Exactly what the hell is this supposed to show me?

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NERVUN wrote:Oh, excuse me. Obviously you gentlemen's highly subjective, unverifiable, andotial 'experience' of meeting a few people out of a large population should trump actual research and stats. :roll:

No, the numbers don't lie. Sorry.


I'm not claiming that a majority of people have these views. Just that there are people that do.
And that is a fact.

Numbers that do not reach anything approaching significant size.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:47 pm


Exactly what the hell is this supposed to show me?/quote]

The paragraph that starts with "A simple guideline for..."
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:55 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
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Exactly what the hell is this supposed to show me?/quote]

The paragraph that starts with "A simple guideline for..."

Oh fer... It means they want to be called (blank)-Americans! It does not prove your assertion any more than saying Italian-Americans are more Italian than American.
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Postby Xathranaar » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:04 pm

I love the state of mind it must take for the OP to panic over something that will only happen if demographic trends remain unchanged for 54 years.

Because that has ever happened before.
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Postby Renegade Island » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:09 pm

NERVUN wrote:

Exactly what the hell is this supposed to show me?

Renegade Island wrote:
I'm not claiming that a majority of people have these views. Just that there are people that do.
And that is a fact.

Numbers that do not reach anything approaching significant size.


I didn't claim they were significant. Are we arguing over nothing here?

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Postby Chefdevergia » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:11 pm

Xathranaar wrote:I love the state of mind it must take for the OP to panic over something that will only happen if demographic trends remain unchanged for 54 years.

Because that has ever happened before.


Perhaps he is only 5 years old

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Postby Vultasia » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:18 pm

Who cares about Britain anyway.

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Postby Condunum » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:28 pm

Oh, you humans and your silly Xenophobia. :roll:
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Postby Risottia » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:38 pm

Ikarouss wrote:
Foreign workers will "change national identity" according to a population expert, unless the flow of immigration is dealt with.

The white British-born community (defined as English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish-born citizens) will fall to less than half of the overall population in just over 50 years.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -2066.html

Under U.N International Law and the Genocide Convention of 1945, large scale mass immigration or the replacement of an indigenous population with a foreign population is defined as genocide.

From the dawn of Humanity in Britain it has always been white. 30, 50, 100 or more thousand years. Now we have this. This is treason and utter failure. Becoming Pakistan and Africa all at the same time is a bad idea.This is what genocide looks like.


Have you noticed that non-white British citizens born in Britain are either English-born, Welsh-born, Scottish-born or Northern-Irish-born? Hence, they're indigenous and not foreign.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:40 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Socialist States Owen wrote:Largely unsubstantiated alarmist bullshit.


It is not alarmist in that Whites do face a real threat of self extinction, with few exceptions all of the majority white nations are experiencing demographic collapses while being lenient on immigration from majority non-White countries.

Here is a list of nations with significant White populations by fertility rate in 2012 per the CIA World Fact book:

Minimum fertility rate required for sustainable population: 2.1 births/woman.

USA 2.06
Russia 1.61
Brazil 2.16*
Germany 1.41
Italy 1.40
UK 1.91
Poland 1.31
Argentina 2.29*
Australia 1.77
Venezuela 2.40*
Chile 1.87
Portugal 1.51
Hungary 1.41
Cuba 1.45
Norway 1.77
South Africa 2.28*
Ireland 2.01
Croatia 1.44
Puerto Rico 1.63

As you can see from this listing, all of the countries that still have growing White populations are either majority non-White or are close to shrinking like the other traditionally White nations. Should this trend continue the White share of the global population will become smaller and smaller until they cease to exist as distinct ethnic groups.

I would very much mourn the disappearance of White ethnic groups not because they are superior, but because I find White people to be aesthetically beautiful and want them to still exist for future generations.

Oh come off it. White people will exist for a very, very long time.
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Postby Vultasia » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:45 pm

I can explain with this simple thing called "Demographic Transition" but only some of you are remotely interested in it.
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1. Agrarian society decides to industrialise
2. They industrialised
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4. Birth rates stayed in Agrarian level for a short time
5. Population grew massively because of Agrarian level births and less deaths
6. As more resources are being thrown into one child for labour in the industrialised society, less kids are needed now
7. Less births occurring throughout the years
8. Population starts to stablised and decline because of lack of birth
9. Need young workers, so imported immigrants


To make yall feel better, Japan do have immigrants. Mostly from China, Korea, Brazil, Nigeria for lower work, USA, Germany, and Hong Kong for the bigger works. They just find different ways to answer the Demographic Transition than lets say, Britain.
Und if it makes you feel better, Arabs make 19% of the United Arab Emirate's population.
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Postby Miyager » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:15 am

Vultasia wrote:I can explain with this simple thing called "Demographic Transition" but only some of you are remotely interested in it.
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Demographic Transition occurred because of Industrialisation. In Agrarian societies, having more kids is needed for a helping hand and free social security when you're older. In Industrialised societies, education is required to work in the more complex fields of labour and thus more resources are needed for one child, so people have less kids. Here is the cycle

1. Agrarian society decides to industrialise
2. They industrialised
3. Living condition, sanitation, etc improved
4. Birth rates stayed in Agrarian level for a short time
5. Population grew massively because of Agrarian level births and less deaths
6. As more resources are being thrown into one child for labour in the industrialised society, less kids are needed now
7. Less births occurring throughout the years
8. Population starts to stablised and decline because of lack of birth
9. Need young workers, so imported immigrants


To make yall feel better, Japan do have immigrants. Mostly from China, Korea, Brazil, Nigeria for lower work, USA, Germany, and Hong Kong for the bigger works. They just find different ways to answer the Demographic Transition than lets say, Britain.
Und if it makes you feel better, Arabs make 19% of the United Arab Emirate's population.


And I should add on to this, that according to U.N. population projections, birth rates in developed nations are due to rise once again, though slower and more steady than before.
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Postby Ovisterra » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:19 am

The very idea behind this is silly anyway. White Britons are no more or less British than any other citizens.

Take one of my friends for example. We'll call him Johnny for the purposes of this. Johnny's parents are from China. Johnny speaks fluent Chinese. But Johnny was born in Ireland and has lived here his whole life. He speaks Irish as well as or better than I do and has always been an Irish citizen.

So tell me. What makes Johnny any less Irish than I am?
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Postby Free South Califas » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:27 am

I guess it isn't just their country then, is it?
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