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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:04 pm

Lenehen wrote:
Kilgrammie wrote:I simply believe that my country would be better run by Scots for Scots!


Forgive my ignorance but isn't that what the Scottish Parliment is for?

the BBC once said salmond has much less power than an american governer but i'm not sure how true that is

there is a lot they can't control and we end up with "man, the energy situation sucks!" "do something" "we can't". also lol trident.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:05 pm

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:And your point is...?

That you can't just make an absolute statement that the Picts were distinct racially from the Britons. Such a statement can be true only in the context of a specific constructed race continuum (which you haven't bothered to state), and in the context of other continuua it may be patently false.

I believe in the idea of "race" based on the genetic and physical characteristics that differ between the "indigenous" peoples of certain geographical areas/locations. I wasn't considering any "other continua".
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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:05 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:You just have an aura of Anti-English about u. have u considered that maybe Britain run by the brits would be better.


does this mean you're against devolution, then?

or should we go for glasgow run by the glasweigans. u can go to massive scale or tiny scale

yes, you can, which is why THEN WHY SOHULDN'T YORK BE INDEPENDENT is a ridiculous retort and you should get eaten up by the euro super state

I think devolution is good and how it should have been from the beginning. I dont see why we cant just have a shared army, health service, and foreign affairs office. Now i wouldnt be surprised if we joined a Eurostate if we were an independent scotland

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Postby Varijnland » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:07 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Lenehen wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but isn't that what the Scottish Parliment is for?

Indeed it is. This guy has just seen braveheart once to often

Unfortunately an all too common occurence

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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:07 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Lenehen wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but isn't that what the Scottish Parliment is for?

Indeed it is. This guy has just seen braveheart once to often


i think i might name it souseisekis law. you see, whoever mentions braveheart in relation to their opponent first loses all credibility.


the constitution, including:

the Crown
the Union with England, Northern Ireland and Wales
the UK Parliament
the existence of the (criminal) High Court of Justiciary
the existence of the (civil) Court of Session

registration and funding of political parties

international relations, including:

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Postby Kilgrammie » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:07 pm

Lenehen wrote:
Kilgrammie wrote:I simply believe that my country would be better run by Scots for Scots!


Forgive my ignorance but isn't that what the Scottish Parliment is for?




The Current set up has Limited powers & funds given to us by Westminster. Nationalists would prefer full control of ALL of our resourses & tax raised so we can choose what we spend it on for example rather than waste it on nukes & rusty subs we could spend it more wisley on say something like a hospital ( quite a few) :) :)

We could also have our own immigration policy as our country in comparison to England & Wales is some what underpopulated.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:08 pm

Varijnland wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Indeed it is. This guy has just seen braveheart once to often

Unfortunately an all too common occurence

"Scotland is not oppressed and we have no need to be liberated. Independence matters because we do not have the powers to reach our potential. We are limited in what we can to create jobs, grow the economy and help the vulnerable."
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Postby Tyrants » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:09 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Indeed it is. This guy has just seen braveheart once to often


i think i might name it souseisekis law. you see, whoever mentions braveheart in relation to their opponent first loses all credibility.


the constitution, including:

the Crown
the Union with England, Northern Ireland and Wales
the UK Parliament
the existence of the (criminal) High Court of Justiciary
the existence of the (civil) Court of Session

registration and funding of political parties

international relations, including:

international development
the regulation of international trade

the Home Civil Service
defence
treason

Head A - Financial and Economic Matters

fiscal, economic and monetary policy
currency
financial services
financial markets
money laundering

Head B - Home Affairs

drug abuse
data protection and access to information
elections
firearms
film classification
immigration and nationality
scientific procedures on live animals
national security and counter-terrorism
betting, gaming and lotteries
emergency powers
extradition
lieutenancies

Head C – Trade and Industry

business associations
insolvency
competition
intellectual property
import and export control
sea fishing outside the Scottish zone
customer protection
product standards, safety and liability
weights and measures
telecommunications
postal services
research councils

Head D – Energy

electricity
oil and gas
coal
nuclear energy
energy efficiency

Head E - Transport

road transport
rail transport
marine transport
air transport

Head F – Social Security

social security schemes
child support
pensions

Head G – Regulation of the Professions

architect
health professions
auditor

Head H – Employment

employment and industrial relations
health and safety

Head J – Health and Medicines

abortion
xenotransplantation
embryology, surrogacy and human genetics
medicines, medical supplies and poisons
welfare foods

Head K – Media and Culture

broadcasting
public lending right

Head L – Miscellaneous

judicial salaries
equal opportunities
control of weapons of mass destruction
Ordnance Survey
time
outer space


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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:10 pm

Kilgrammie wrote:
Lenehen wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but isn't that what the Scottish Parliment is for?




The Current set up has Limited powers & funds given to us by Westminster. Nationalists would prefer full control of ALL of our resourses & tax raised so we can choose what we spend it on for example rather than waste it on nukes & rusty subs we could spend it more wisley on say something like a hospital ( quite a few) :) :)

We could also have our own immigration policy as our country in comparison to England & Wales is some what underpopulated.

Thats a good thing. we dont want to have to many ouths to feed and to many people to provide with energy in the future

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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:11 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Varijnland wrote:Unfortunately an all too common occurence

"Scotland is not oppressed and we have no need to be liberated. Independence matters because we do not have the powers to reach our potential. We are limited in what we can to create jobs, grow the economy and help the vulnerable."

i doubt SNP would allow heavy immigration, they are Nationalists

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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:12 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:"Scotland is not oppressed and we have no need to be liberated. Independence matters because we do not have the powers to reach our potential. We are limited in what we can to create jobs, grow the economy and help the vulnerable."

i doubt SNP would allow heavy immigration, they are Nationalists

is this based on what they've actually said or secret leaked documents, or the fact they have "national" in their name?
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Postby Kilgrammie » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:15 pm

LOL... indeed the seen Braveheart to often slur is the bottom of the barrel. :)

It's not even historically accurate for starters :) :)


I simply have the audacity to believe my country could do better as an Independent nation, we could then have the luxury of a goverment that scots voted for.

:)
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Declaration of Arbroath 1320.

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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:16 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:i doubt SNP would allow heavy immigration, they are Nationalists

is this based on what they've actually said or secret leaked documents, or the fact they have "national" in their name?

They are for the scottish people, not foreign people. Also can i ask how would it be decided if you shall have scottish or New UK citizenship??? It would be pretty complex and im sure people would decide to move before laws were passed to the other side of the border vice versa

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Postby Angleter » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:16 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Lenehen wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but isn't that what the Scottish Parliment is for?

the BBC once said salmond has much less power than an american governer but i'm not sure how true that is

there is a lot they can't control and we end up with "man, the energy situation sucks!" "do something" "we can't". also lol trident.


It is true. Whereas all tax raised in the UK goes to Westminster and Salmond gets a chunk (although there was the income tax varying power, but that was never used and given up in 2010), US governors raise their own taxes (as much as they like, and in whatever form they like) to fund their purview. However, that's a lot easier to do in the US, where states all have the same powers, than the UK, where different parts of the country have different devolved powers (which would then make it quite hard to determine quite what level of tax they should all be paying to Westminster and what would be the purview of the devolved authorities).
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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:18 pm

Kilgrammie wrote:LOL... indeed the seen Braveheart to often slur is the bottom of the barrel. :)

It's not even historically accurate for starters :) :)


I simply have the audacity to believe my country could do better as an Independent nation, we could then have the luxury of a goverment that scots voted for.

:)

Im going to break this to you....... Scotland does elect its statisticly correct number of MPs into Westminister. We also elect 100% into hollyrood. Now for england they basicly have a random bunch of scots deciding on half their stuff.

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Postby Kilgrammie » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:20 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Kilgrammie wrote:


The Current set up has Limited powers & funds given to us by Westminster. Nationalists would prefer full control of ALL of our resourses & tax raised so we can choose what we spend it on for example rather than waste it on nukes & rusty subs we could spend it more wisley on say something like a hospital ( quite a few) :) :)

We could also have our own immigration policy as our country in comparison to England & Wales is some what underpopulated.

Thats a good thing. we dont want to have to many ouths to feed and to many people to provide with energy in the future


So here you so obviously want to close the gates to more people . but yet you say as i'm an nationalist I would be against immigrants?? Mhhhhhh :eyebrow:

Sorry to disappoint but my wife is Chinese, as I've already said my mate is english think i'm kinda open minded on that one. :p
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:21 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:is this based on what they've actually said or secret leaked documents, or the fact they have "national" in their name?

They are for the scottish people, not foreign people. Also can i ask how would it be decided if you shall have scottish or New UK citizenship??? It would be pretty complex and im sure people would decide to move before laws were passed to the other side of the border vice versa

they are for the people of scotland, not the scottish people. this is a subtle but substantial difference. must we recall who was the first non-white and first muslim MSP?

i don't really count "it'd be really complex" as an argument against doing things. do you think they're going to demand people choose their eternal allegiance and start ripping passports out of peoples hands?
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Postby Kilgrammie » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:22 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Kilgrammie wrote:LOL... indeed the seen Braveheart to often slur is the bottom of the barrel. :)

It's not even historically accurate for starters :) :)


I simply have the audacity to believe my country could do better as an Independent nation, we could then have the luxury of a goverment that scots voted for.

:)

Im going to break this to you....... Scotland does elect its statisticly correct number of MPs into Westminister. We also elect 100% into hollyrood. Now for england they basicly have a random bunch of scots deciding on half their stuff.



How many conservative Mps in Scotland over the last 20 years?? dont we currently have more Pandas then conservative mps??? :) :)
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Postby Free South Califas » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:22 pm

Angleter wrote:US governors raise their own taxes (as much as they like, and in whatever form they like)


Sorry to nitpick, but that's not really true as such. US governors can propose a budget including their comprehensive tax plan, but (in all 50 states AFAIK) it must still be passed by the state legislature, perhaps augmented by popular referendum (as in California this year, where Proposition 30 added to the revenue plan approved by the legislature). Governors may have more or less political capital available to influence the adoption of their tax plans, but at the end of they day they raise the taxes that the legislature lets them. The governor approves the budget passed by the legislature, but that doesn't really mean the governor gets whatever ze wants - a veto may be overturned.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:23 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Kilgrammie wrote:LOL... indeed the seen Braveheart to often slur is the bottom of the barrel. :)

It's not even historically accurate for starters :) :)


I simply have the audacity to believe my country could do better as an Independent nation, we could then have the luxury of a goverment that scots voted for.

:)

Im going to break this to you....... Scotland does elect its statisticly correct number of MPs into Westminister. We also elect 100% into hollyrood. Now for england they basicly have a random bunch of scots deciding on half their stuff.


usually the SNP don't vote on england only matters, what a bunch! maybe england should run their own country too. mmmm.
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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:24 pm

Kilgrammie wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Thats a good thing. we dont want to have to many ouths to feed and to many people to provide with energy in the future


So here you so obviously want to close the gates to more people . but yet you say as i'm an nationalist I would be against immigrants?? Mhhhhhh :eyebrow:

Sorry to disappoint but my wife is Chinese, as I've already said my mate is english think i'm kinda open minded on that one. :p

Still it is fact that it is easier to sustain less people internaly in scotland than more. We are to small a nation to open borders fully and really dont need it. We have an equivelant population to Norway and they are doing just fine

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Postby Kilgrammie » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:26 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Im going to break this to you....... Scotland does elect its statisticly correct number of MPs into Westminister. We also elect 100% into hollyrood. Now for england they basicly have a random bunch of scots deciding on half their stuff.


usually the SNP don't vote on england only matters, what a bunch! maybe england should run their own country too. mmmm.




That would be quite a good arrangement!! then England could also take it rightfull place as a nation again. :) :)
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Postby Kilgrammie » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:28 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Kilgrammie wrote:
So here you so obviously want to close the gates to more people . but yet you say as i'm an nationalist I would be against immigrants?? Mhhhhhh :eyebrow:

Sorry to disappoint but my wife is Chinese, as I've already said my mate is english think i'm kinda open minded on that one. :p

Still it is fact that it is easier to sustain less people internaly in scotland than more. We are to small a nation to open borders fully and really dont need it. We have an equivelant population to Norway and they are doing just fine


Indeed Norway are doing just fine .............. as an Independent nation the same size as Scotland with similar resourses :p :p :lol:
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:56 pm

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