White Britons to be minority IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY by 2066

[Dinahia]

Oh yes when germany brought in a republic they had someone after 15 years in power, Adolf Hitler. Then they had a huge war and later a split up between the powers of the day. Then finally after another 50 years of communism and fear they became a democratic republic. I would rather not ask germany. Oh thinking of good beginnings.... USA as a republic enslaved 3 million black people, eastern europes nations become republics post war and !BAM! a culture of communism and fear is adopted. French Republic a dictator called Napoleon rises to power. African nations become republics in the 1960s era and then they are under dictators for the most part. look at the big picture. Monarchies - Japan, UK, Australia, Norway, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, Spain, Canada etc. etc.

You are comparing past republics to modern day constitutional monarchies in order to prove your point?

[Napkiraly]

There's Lebanese Christians, so quit failing down that path.

Second, it depends on the branch of Islam. Some branches accept the Hadith and Quran, others just the Quran etc.

Excuse me but you asked what values MUSLIMS have.

And not all Muslims have the same values. You have those that oppose LGBT rights, you have those who support them. You have Muslims that support secularism, you have those that don't. They aren't a hive mind.

[Dinahia]

Clinging on to social constructs that have been proven not to biologically exist is what is actually stupid.

Yes, and getting rid of ethnicities across the globe is the epitome of intelligence.

Ethnicities are an idea. An idea that should be confined to the history books.

[Tel]

One of Britain's worst white representatives declaring his stupidity to the NationStates World.

Edit: I mean the OP.

[Zaras]

It is only a response to the baseless accusations regularly thrown at anyone who opposes mass immigration. Most of us AREN'T racist. Fact.

You said "most".

Outside influence is good for a culture. Outside influence overwhelming a culture is a very different thing.

Isn't that cute, you're whining about something that's already been done by white people in colonial empires because it could happen to you.

And no, it's not likely to happen.

I don't believe that at all.

Then it'd be a good idea to be more careful with formulating sentences. I once had a brainfart in the Israel-Palestine thread that made somebody think I thought Israelis dying there is just "something that happens". Sentences are tricky bastards.

Because that's all British culture comprises of.

Nobody ever bothers to actually define it, so why not reduce it to tea, crumpets, unwarranted superiority, alcoholism, obsession with football and emotional repression? It's no less true than other attempts to "define" British culture based exclusively on its good parts.

Muslim culture - People who believe in Allah and his teachings.

Ignoring the existence of different sects of Muslims.

African culture - People with African religions, traditions etc

Africa is a whole fucking continent! There's no such thing as "African values", so you'll have to specific about which values in which parts of Africa you're talking about.

I regard both as bad for a free society.

>claims he's not racist
>says African and Muslim culture are bad for a free society

Y'owe me a new irony meter.

[Nova Imperius]

Oh yes when germany brought in a republic they had someone after 15 years in power, Adolf Hitler. Then they had a huge war and later a split up between the powers of the day. Then finally after another 50 years of communism and fear they became a democratic republic. I would rather not ask germany. Oh thinking of good beginnings.... USA as a republic enslaved 3 million black people, eastern europes nations become republics post war and !BAM! a culture of communism and fear is adopted. French Republic a dictator called Napoleon rises to power. African nations become republics in the 1960s era and then they are under dictators for the most part. look at the big picture. Monarchies - Japan, UK, Australia, Norway, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, Spain, Canada etc. etc.

You are comparing past republics to modern day constitutional monarchies in order to prove your point?

Ok current day African Republics such as Zimbabwe. Im just proving that history repeats itself. Im sure they would have said the same thing about napoleonic france as Nazi Germany was about to form. History repeats

[Alice Gardens]

Excuse me but you asked what values MUSLIMS have.

And not all Muslims have the same values. You have those that oppose LGBT rights, you have those who support them. You have Muslims that support secularism, you have those that don't. They aren't a hive mind.

This is true. But denying that MUSLIMS don't believe in Allah and include Lebanese Christians is idiotic, to say the least.

[Salandriagado]

The fact that you have to disclaim that shows the problem with the discourse on immigration.



The culture that evolved as a result of influences from populations that moved to the UK. Culture evolves. Culture isn't static, and to want to "preserve" it is an endorsement of a stagnant, stultifyingly conformist society.



It's almost as if you think non-white people are biologically incapable of changing their opinions.



Maybe we'd finally get rid of the alcoholism, football hooliganism and emotional repression then.



Define Islamic and African values.

Oh wait, you can't, because Muslims and Africans aren't a fucking hivemind.

Wait Zaras im going to ask u. Would u want a fucking cultural and ethical takeover of your nation?? would u want millions pouring in and making the job crisis worse???? i think not. Would u want everything ur nation has been to be taken away in a few decades never to resurface??? it would be a loss to the world and the native peoples. its no different to the Native American thing

Right, time for a bullshit stomping session.


I grew up in Leicester. Yes, Leicester, and in one of the more culturally diverse areas of that city at that. I'd say that makes me about as qualified as anybody to speak about the effects of demographic shifts of this type as anybody else.

So, these effects. There are basically none. Literally, nothing. The sole impacts were:
1) Really good takeaways. Seriously, properly good.
2) Really cheap fireworks/alcohol/everything if you went shopping right after Diwali (that is: immediately before bonfire night, a fair chunk of the time).


That's about it. No rampant hordes of white people without jobs on the streets, no "cultural and ethical takeover" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean), no takeover of the city, no genocide. Nothing at all, in fact.

[Alice Gardens]

>claims he's not racist
>says African and Muslim culture are bad for a free society

Y'owe me a new irony meter.

Well you're the one saying you're not racist while saying white people ceasing to exist is a good thing because of their past conduct. And yes, I know you're white. No need to explain. I understand you're ashamed of your race.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

You are comparing past republics to modern day constitutional monarchies in order to prove your point?

Ok current day African Republics such as Zimbabwe. Im just proving that history repeats itself. Im sure they would have said the same thing about napoleonic france as Nazi Germany was about to form. History repeats

What about present-day African republics like Botswana?

Oh wait, they had responsible leaders within a republican framework, and so don't fit your nonsense theory, and so get discounted. Amirite?

[Nova Imperius]

It is only a response to the baseless accusations regularly thrown at anyone who opposes mass immigration. Most of us AREN'T racist. Fact.

You said "most".

Outside influence is good for a culture. Outside influence overwhelming a culture is a very different thing.

Isn't that cute, you're whining about something that's already been done by white people in colonial empires because it could happen to you.

And no, it's not likely to happen.

I don't believe that at all.

Then it'd be a good idea to be more careful with formulating sentences. I once had a brainfart in the Israel-Palestine thread that made somebody think I thought Israelis dying there is just "something that happens". Sentences are tricky bastards.

Because that's all British culture comprises of.

Nobody ever bothers to actually define it, so why not reduce it to tea, crumpets, unwarranted superiority, alcoholism, obsession with football and emotional repression? It's no less true than other attempts to "define" British culture based exclusively on its good parts.

Muslim culture - People who believe in Allah and his teachings.

Ignoring the existence of different sects of Muslims.

African culture - People with African religions, traditions etc

Africa is a whole fucking continent! There's no such thing as "African values", so you'll have to specific about which values in which parts of Africa you're talking about.

I regard both as bad for a free society.

>claims he's not racist
>says African and Muslim culture are bad for a free society

Y'owe me a new irony meter.

A tad stereotypical on what brits are like..... u romanian vampire gypsy

[Dinahia]

You are comparing past republics to modern day constitutional monarchies in order to prove your point?

Ok current day African Republics such as Zimbabwe. Im just proving that history repeats itself. Im sure they would have said the same thing about napoleonic france as Nazi Germany was about to form. History repeats

African nations are not an accurate comparison.
Zimbabwe is nothing like Switzerland, for example.

[Juristonia]

1) Really good takeaways. Seriously, properly good.
2) Really cheap fireworks/alcohol/everything if you went shopping right after Diwali (that is: immediately before bonfire night, a fair chunk of the time).

If this isn't fully embracing and enhancing British culture, I don't know what is.

[Belaskhatya]

Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for everyone?
Why is it that ethno-nationalism is wonderful in the cases of Kenya, Israel, Japan, China, the Middle East, South America, etc. etc. etc. yet if a white person ever dares to even suggest setting aside a country for white people, they're automatically a nazi racist who hates freedom?

What kind of sense does that make?

Are you forgetting about the Native Americans? The Europeans decimated their race and took over their land so it seems only fitting that this time around someone takes the Europeans land.

Etho-nationalism is NOT cool no matter were it is, all nations could learn from American nationalism. People of all colors and ethnicity live in the US and to be American doesn't mean you must be white but rather anyone born here is one of us.

Right now North America and Europe are the places where migrant workers want to be but in a few decades South America and Asia will be where all the migrant workers wish to go. After Asia and South America decline I theorize that Africa will be the next hot spot for migrant workers. With all the money, business, and people going into Africa from China I wouldn't be surprised if Africa had a significant Chinese population in the next 50 years.

[Nova Imperius]

Wait Zaras im going to ask u. Would u want a fucking cultural and ethical takeover of your nation?? would u want millions pouring in and making the job crisis worse???? i think not. Would u want everything ur nation has been to be taken away in a few decades never to resurface??? it would be a loss to the world and the native peoples. its no different to the Native American thing

Right, time for a bullshit stomping session.


I grew up in Leicester. Yes, Leicester, and in one of the more culturally diverse areas of that city at that. I'd say that makes me about as qualified as anybody to speak about the effects of demographic shifts of this type as anybody else.

So, these effects. There are basically none. Literally, nothing. The sole impacts were:
1) Really good takeaways. Seriously, properly good.
2) Really cheap fireworks/alcohol/everything if you went shopping right after Diwali (that is: immediately before bonfire night, a fair chunk of the time).


That's about it. No rampant hordes of white people without jobs on the streets, no "cultural and ethical takeover" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean), no takeover of the city, no genocide. Nothing at all, in fact.

were talking bout the future. i just think that people shouldnt see a chippy as a foreign food take-away. im actually quite happy with that comparisson

[Dinahia]

>claims he's not racist
>says African and Muslim culture are bad for a free society
Y'owe me a new irony meter.

Well you're the one saying you're not racist while saying white people ceasing to exist is a good thing because of their past conduct. And yes, I know you're white. No need to explain. I understand you're ashamed of your race.

Where did he say "white" people should cease to exist?

[Souseiseki]

Big bloody whoop.



Parliamentary republics with elected presidents manage that very well already. Ask Germany about it sometime.



A completely artificial unity based on historical colonialism. How romantic.



They own Northern France? Dude, this isn't the Plantagenet dynasty.



You're surprised?



>ignoring the popularity ebb of the 1990s and the fact that the royal family don't pay taxes



I'd love to see one.



Dennis Skinner.

Oh yes when germany brought in a republic they had someone after 15 years in power, Adolf Hitler. Then they had a huge war and later a split up between the powers of the day. Then finally after another 50 years of communism and fear they became a democratic republic. I would rather not ask germany. Oh thinking of good beginnings.... USA as a republic enslaved 3 million black people, eastern europes nations become republics post war and !BAM! a culture of communism and fear is adopted. French Republic a dictator called Napoleon rises to power. African nations become republics in the 1960s era and then they are under dictators for the most part. look at the big picture. Monarchies - Japan, UK, Australia, Norway, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, Spain, Canada etc. etc.

spain and japan, mmmm

if you want to make slavery a point for the U.S. you can't forget canada and australias fun with their populations

[Alice Gardens]

Well you're the one saying you're not racist while saying white people ceasing to exist is a good thing because of their past conduct. And yes, I know you're white. No need to explain. I understand you're ashamed of your race.

Where did he say "white" people should cease to exist?

Several times previously, in this thread and others. Anyway, I have an exam coming up. Maybe I'll back for round...3?

[Grave_n_idle]

To me, not recognizing and respecting that different ethnic groups do in fact exist displays the same arrogance as the racist colonial powers did when they went around colonizing the world.

You're allowed to believe any senseless nonsense you like. Just don't try to pretend it reflects reality.

[Johz]

Wait Zaras im going to ask u. Would u want a fucking cultural and ethical takeover of your nation?? would u want millions pouring in and making the job crisis worse???? i think not. Would u want everything ur nation has been to be taken away in a few decades never to resurface??? it would be a loss to the world and the native peoples. its no different to the Native American thing

Right, time for a bullshit stomping session.


I grew up in Leicester. Yes, Leicester, and in one of the more culturally diverse areas of that city at that. I'd say that makes me about as qualified as anybody to speak about the effects of demographic shifts of this type as anybody else.

So, these effects. There are basically none. Literally, nothing. The sole impacts were:
1) Really good takeaways. Seriously, properly good.
2) Really cheap fireworks/alcohol/everything if you went shopping right after Diwali (that is: immediately before bonfire night, a fair chunk of the time).


That's about it. No rampant hordes of white people without jobs on the streets, no "cultural and ethical takeover" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean), no takeover of the city, no genocide. Nothing at all, in fact.

As an addition to 1), having just moved to Manchester, I have found myself living right next to shops that sell various Indian sweets.

This one feature of one tiny import from a small proportion of immigrants vastly outweighs any opposition anyone could ever have to immigration.

Vastly.

[Nova Imperius]

Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for everyone?
Why is it that ethno-nationalism is wonderful in the cases of Kenya, Israel, Japan, China, the Middle East, South America, etc. etc. etc. yet if a white person ever dares to even suggest setting aside a country for white people, they're automatically a nazi racist who hates freedom?

What kind of sense does that make?

Are you forgetting about the Native Americans? The Europeans decimated their race and took over their land so it seems only fitting that this time around someone takes the Europeans land.

Etho-nationalism is NOT cool no matter were it is, all nations could learn from American nationalism. People of all colors and ethnicity live in the US and to be American doesn't mean you must be white but rather anyone born here is one of us.

Right now North America and Europe are the places where migrant workers want to be but in a few decades South America and Asia will be where all the migrant workers wish to go. After Asia and South America decline I theorize that Africa will be the next hot spot for migrant workers. With all the money, business, and people going into Africa from China I wouldn't be surprised if Africa had a significant Chinese population in the next 50 years.

U cannot compare UK to USA. USA is ust one bunch of immigrants from the seeable past. U will say Uk is all immigrants but thats going back thousands of years and being segrigated from the world until a few centuries ago to develop a unique culture. USA is a mixing pot, we arent. also i agree with the initial post there

[DesAnges]

Right, time for a bullshit stomping session.


I grew up in Leicester. Yes, Leicester, and in one of the more culturally diverse areas of that city at that. I'd say that makes me about as qualified as anybody to speak about the effects of demographic shifts of this type as anybody else.

So, these effects. There are basically none. Literally, nothing. The sole impacts were:
1) Really good takeaways. Seriously, properly good.
2) Really cheap fireworks/alcohol/everything if you went shopping right after Diwali (that is: immediately before bonfire night, a fair chunk of the time).


That's about it. No rampant hordes of white people without jobs on the streets, no "cultural and ethical takeover" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean), no takeover of the city, no genocide. Nothing at all, in fact.

were talking bout the future. i just think that people shouldnt see a chippy as a foreign food take-away. im actually quite happy with that comparisson

Technically, chips are a foreign food. Fried potatoes and fish was first made by the French in around 1700, from memory - before that, the English ate fish with roasted potatoes.

[Dinahia]

Right, time for a bullshit stomping session.


I grew up in Leicester. Yes, Leicester, and in one of the more culturally diverse areas of that city at that. I'd say that makes me about as qualified as anybody to speak about the effects of demographic shifts of this type as anybody else.

So, these effects. There are basically none. Literally, nothing. The sole impacts were:
1) Really good takeaways. Seriously, properly good.
2) Really cheap fireworks/alcohol/everything if you went shopping right after Diwali (that is: immediately before bonfire night, a fair chunk of the time).


That's about it. No rampant hordes of white people without jobs on the streets, no "cultural and ethical takeover" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean), no takeover of the city, no genocide. Nothing at all, in fact.

were talking bout the future. i just think that people shouldnt see a chippy as a foreign food take-away. im actually quite happy with that comparisson

Same thing will be true in the future.
And chips were a foreign concept introduced into the UK from Belgium.

[Juristonia]

U cannot compare UK to USA. USA is ust one bunch of immigrants from the seeable past. U will say Uk is all immigrants but thats going back thousands of years and being segrigated from the world until a few centuries ago to develop a unique culture. USA is a mixing pot, we arent. also i agree with the initial post there

Your grasp of history is seriously getting worse and worse the further this thread goes on.

[Grave_n_idle]

were talking bout the future. i just think that people shouldnt see a chippy as a foreign food take-away. im actually quite happy with that comparisson

Technically, chips are a foreign food. Fried potatoes and fish was first made by the French in around 1700, from memory - before that, the English ate fish with roasted potatoes.

Not for very long, either. Potatoes are an import - they weren't native.