Mandatory military service in the US

[Zimmer Twins]

Never gonna happen again

[Firmador]

In many countries around the world, citizens (though usually just men) have to perform 1-3 years of compulsory military service. While there hasn't been a draft in the US since 1973, I believe that it would be good for all Americans if they performed two mandatory years of compulsory national service.

My idea actually comes from Cuba; you could either perform two years of military service in the Armed Forces, learning basic military stuff OR two years of alternative national service like picking crops or doing some other type of manual labor. This would actually also help to solve the problem of illegal immigration as well; as people participating in their national service would be doing the jobs that uneducated illegal aliens would normally do, the likelihood of illegal aliens getting a job would be much lower. No job, no food. Seems like a good idea eh?

People who are not physically or mentally capable would be excluded, as would those with promising athletic, academic or artistic futures/exploits.

I believe that universal mandatory would be good for all Americans. Right now we've got too many left-wingers spouting bullshit about our troops without any due respect. With two years of compulsory national service, maybe those brats would finally learn to respect the people who risk their lives for them every day. It would also teach people how to honor their elders and the troops, and generally become respected members of the community.

So, opinions?

This country wasn't built on immigration

[Zimmer Twins]

In many countries around the world, citizens (though usually just men) have to perform 1-3 years of compulsory military service. While there hasn't been a draft in the US since 1973, I believe that it would be good for all Americans if they performed two mandatory years of compulsory national service.

My idea actually comes from Cuba; you could either perform two years of military service in the Armed Forces, learning basic military stuff OR two years of alternative national service like picking crops or doing some other type of manual labor. This would actually also help to solve the problem of illegal immigration as well; as people participating in their national service would be doing the jobs that uneducated illegal aliens would normally do, the likelihood of illegal aliens getting a job would be much lower. No job, no food. Seems like a good idea eh?

People who are not physically or mentally capable would be excluded, as would those with promising athletic, academic or artistic futures/exploits.

I believe that universal mandatory would be good for all Americans. Right now we've got too many left-wingers spouting bullshit about our troops without any due respect. With two years of compulsory national service, maybe those brats would finally learn to respect the people who risk their lives for them every day. It would also teach people how to honor their elders and the troops, and generally become respected members of the community.

So, opinions?

This country wasn't built on immigration

[Frisivisia]

In many countries around the world, citizens (though usually just men) have to perform 1-3 years of compulsory military service. While there hasn't been a draft in the US since 1973, I believe that it would be good for all Americans if they performed two mandatory years of compulsory national service.

My idea actually comes from Cuba; you could either perform two years of military service in the Armed Forces, learning basic military stuff OR two years of alternative national service like picking crops or doing some other type of manual labor. This would actually also help to solve the problem of illegal immigration as well; as people participating in their national service would be doing the jobs that uneducated illegal aliens would normally do, the likelihood of illegal aliens getting a job would be much lower. No job, no food. Seems like a good idea eh?

People who are not physically or mentally capable would be excluded, as would those with promising athletic, academic or artistic futures/exploits.

I believe that universal mandatory would be good for all Americans. Right now we've got too many left-wingers spouting bullshit about our troops without any due respect. With two years of compulsory national service, maybe those brats would finally learn to respect the people who risk their lives for them every day. It would also teach people how to honor their elders and the troops, and generally become respected members of the community.

So, opinions?

This country wasn't built on immigration

Words cannot express the sheer "wut"-itude I just experienced.

[Zimmer Twins]

This country wasn't built on immigration

Words cannot express the sheer "wut"-itude I just experienced.

I'm an idiot and even I know the country was built on immigration

[Firmador]

This country wasn't built on immigration

Words cannot express the sheer "wut"-itude I just experienced.

Quit doing drugs Fris D:!

[Frisivisia]

Words cannot express the sheer "wut"-itude I just experienced.

Quit doing drugs Fris D:!

I'm not the one claiming that the United States is not a country built on immigration.

[Firmador]

Quit doing drugs Fris D:!

I'm not the one claiming that the United States is not a country built on immigration.

I know, and you're incorrect. It's a known fact that even the relatively fewer German immigrants were responsible for bringing in a large flow of capital which funded rapid expansion.

Son, you're going to lose.

[AiliailiA]

Words cannot express the sheer "wut"-itude I just experienced.

I'm an idiot and even I know the country was built on immigration

Perhaps Firmador is Native American and "this country" refers to the little bit they have left ... hardly seems likely though.

[Firmador]

I'm an idiot and even I know the country was built on immigration

Perhaps Firmador is Native American and "this country" refers to the little bit they have left ... hardly seems likely though.

Look up Ailailia. Though that is a moral/ethical issue as well.

[Frisivisia]

I'm not the one claiming that the United States is not a country built on immigration.

I know, and you're incorrect. It's a known fact that even the relatively fewer German immigrants were responsible for bringing in a large flow of capital which funded rapid expansion.

Son, you're going to lose.

Last I checked, the country was still dominated by people not native to the land on which the country was founded.

[Firmador]

I know, and you're incorrect. It's a known fact that even the relatively fewer German immigrants were responsible for bringing in a large flow of capital which funded rapid expansion.

Son, you're going to lose.

Last I checked, the country was still dominated by people not native to the land on which the country was founded.

What?

[Frisivisia]

Last I checked, the country was still dominated by people not native to the land on which the country was founded.

What?

Are you Cherokee?

[AiliailiA]

I'm not the one claiming that the United States is not a country built on immigration.

I know, and you're incorrect. It's a known fact that even the relatively fewer German immigrants were responsible for bringing in a large flow of capital which funded rapid expansion.

Wait, are you trying to prove it WAS or it WASN'T built on immigration?

Son, you're going to lose.

This should be interesting ...

[Firmador]

I know, and you're incorrect. It's a known fact that even the relatively fewer German immigrants were responsible for bringing in a large flow of capital which funded rapid expansion.

Wait, are you trying to prove it WAS or it WASN'T built on immigration?

Son, you're going to lose.

This should be interesting ...

No sarcasm:

The United States of America would not be the great power it was had it not been for immigration, legal and illegal.

[Frisivisia]

Wait, are you trying to prove it WAS or it WASN'T built on immigration?



This should be interesting ...

No sarcasm:

The United States of America would not be the great power it was had it not been for immigration, legal and illegal.

Which is what I was arguing.

[Firmador]

... Nvm then lol.

[Bafuria]

I believe that universal mandatory would be good for all Americans. Right now we've got too many left-wingers spouting bullshit about our troops without any due respect. With two years of compulsory national service, maybe those brats would finally learn to respect the people who risk their lives for them every day. It would also teach people how to honor their elders and the troops, and generally become respected members of the community.

So, opinions?

You are Finnish.
The American troops are not yours, they are not even your NATO allies.

[AiliailiA]

... Nvm then lol.

There really should be an irony smiley. I'm not sure what irony looks like though ...

[Saruhan]

... Nvm then lol.

There really should be an irony smiley. I'm not sure what irony looks like though ...

That willy wonka face

[Sobaeg]

Obviously these Illegal Aliens are fleeing a country and coming to a FREE country. Yes i think people should have to serve at least 1 year.

Sir, I may not be american, but I hope you are not serious.

lol! Yep someone needs to travel a bit

[Sobaeg]

Hehe, actually i remember when i watched that show that i'd have expected my response would've been to repeatedly smash the scientists head against the table until he was unconscious and then to have rescued the guy xD.
Of course i would've pressed the button up until he seemed hurt or screamed for help but only because he signed up for the experiment.
Though obviously at that point in the show i realised it was just a psych experiment so i'd probably just settle for one smash against the table for being slightly evil .

But i'd hope most people would at least not press the button at the higher voltages.

You see, that's the thing about psychology: you think you know what you'd do in a situation, but your mind does something completely different. I'm sure that if you asked the majority of those people if they'd deliver potentially fatal electric shocks to someone (just like them) for answering test questions wrong, they'd say no. Introduce various circumstances and actually put them in such a situation, and they act differently.

Doctor Solomon Asch's experiment on social conformity also is a great example of this.

All except for one didn't administer lethal amperage in the face of an authoritative figure. So I think that cloud of tellius comes from a justifiable position to say he would use violence to be forced to war. He is the one good guy in that social experiment.

[Zimmer Twins]

... Nvm then lol.

There really should be an irony smiley. I'm not sure what irony looks like though ...

That's pretty ironic. I think irony looks like or maybe

[Ayreonia]

Kinda off-topic, but I don't get people who insist that a professional military is always more effective than a drafted one. Since Finland seems to be a hot topic here, let's look at it: universal male conscription (in reality, 80% serve, but close enough), service is AT LEAST six months, the more advanced training being 9 or 12. Troops train in the exact terrain and weather that they would fight in during a war (dense woods, darkness, deep snow most of the year), the regional forces even in the same locales. Morale wouldn't be an issue since the troops are fighting to defend their own homes (and even in this time of peace, over three quarters of the men in my unit voted that they'd fight, no matter the odds). Oh, and the current number of TRAINED reservists is about 300,000. How is this less effective than the professional army of another similarly sized country, like Sweden?

(Oh, and before another Finn barges in here and asks, 1/12 Karelian Brigade, KymJP, 2nd Mech.Inf., IFV driver, 362)

[New England and The Maritimes]

Yeah. Would be nice. Mandatory military service with no exceptions aside from extreme medical conditions, expansion of the war powers act.