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Swedish woman charged with having sex with a skeleton.

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What should be done about such offenses?

1. Prosecute
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2, Object, marginalize the person, but allow.
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3. Ignore
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4. Encourage (ewww)
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5. Other
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Reggae Magmia
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Postby Reggae Magmia » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:16 am

"Women has sex with skeleton:"
:eyebrow: Dafuq?! :blink:

"May go to prison:"
Dafuq?! :eyebrow:

OK, it's some sick shit, but prison? There isn't something better to be dealing with?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:18 am

Reggae Magmia wrote:"Women has sex with skeleton:"
:eyebrow: Dafuq?! :blink:

"May go to prison:"
Dafuq?! :eyebrow:

OK, it's some sick shit, but prison? There isn't something better to be dealing with?


A swedish prison.
It probably has merry go rounds and candyfloss.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:41 am

Prison is the right place for this degenerate scum. Sweden is correct and of sound mind.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:44 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:Prison is the right place for this degenerate scum. Sweden is correct and of sound mind.


What good will the prison do exactly.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:45 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Prison is the right place for this degenerate scum. Sweden is correct and of sound mind.


What good will the prison do exactly.


IT will protect other skeletons from such sexual harassment!!! 8)
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:16 am

Kleomentia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Whatever strikes your fancy....

Care to back up the opinion that fucking a skeleton should be a everyday thing?

Well shes not hurting herself nor anybody else so why should I give a damn?

No the dead guy has no opinion.
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Postby Rilhelmia » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:19 am

EEEEEEWWWW!

Burn her at the stake.

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Postby CTALNH » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:26 am

Rilhelmia wrote:EEEEEEWWWW!

Burn her at the stake.

So necrophilia is bad?
And here I am advocating for the legalization of bestiality and incest......
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:28 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Prison is the right place for this degenerate scum. Sweden is correct and of sound mind.


What good will the prison do exactly.

Discouraging her disgraceful behavior.
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Postby Cold Coast » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:31 am

This is a ridiculous law and she should not go to prison.

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Postby Tekania » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:32 am

Pope Joan wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/21/us-sweden-skeleton-idUSBRE8AK0IJ20121121?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews

Reuters) - "A woman in Sweden has been charged with engaging in sexual activities with a human skeleton and could face jail time [2 years max] for disturbing the peace of the dead, a Swedish prosecutor said.

Police found a full human skeleton, skulls and a box containing other human bones by chance....

They also discovered CD-ROMs titled "my necrophilia" and "my first experience", and photographs of the woman engaging in various sexual activities with a skeleton....

It said the woman had handled the bones in a "shameful" and "unethical" manner.

"She is interested in the dead," Prosecutor Kristina Ehrenborg-Staffas told Reuters. "She has pictures of morgues, churches and graveyards.""

So she is being prosecuted for causing the state to go "Ewww"?

To me this is repugnant and distasteful but also a victimless crime. The skeleton doesn't care, I'm sure.

Why not just leave her alone? There are more important objectives for law enforcement.

What are your reactions? Should this sort of thing be punished? Repressed but allowed? Ignored?

Or (ewwww) encouraged?


Indeed, there is a bone of contention here on the necrophilia issue.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:34 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:Prison is the right place for this degenerate scum. Sweden is correct and of sound mind.


What, exactly, will jail do?

Remembering the primary purpose of jail is some combination of the following:

- Punish for harm done
- Rehabilitate
- Deterrence
- Remove threat from society

so this Swedish woman, for whatever reason, presumably rubbed herself with some bones and enjoyed it a great deal. Regardless of how icky we might find it which of the above things is jail going to do? Punish her? For what? Rehabilitate? What about what she had done will be fixed in jail? I mean jail is great for fixing sexual quirks, isn't it? Deterrence, maybe. And is she a threat to society? No.

No, if we agree this is a problem that needs the state to do something it makes much more sense for psychological help than sticking her in jail.
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Postby Retro Lyra » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:35 am

If indeed she did buy the bones, why is she being prosecuted? That's ridiculous.

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What good will the prison do exactly.

Discouraging her disgraceful behavior.


...have you seen a Swedish prison?
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Any time now, Lyra. Any time. Watch your car keys.

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And your bedroom door. Chances are, he'll rape you first, the Genocidal Bastard.

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Postby Hungramy » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:39 am

Did she do any harm? Most likely not. Was the skeleton raped? No. Does this woman have problems? Yes, very much. I believe this should be ignored this time, but next time some action should be done, because I for one would like it for when I die my body won't be used for sexual enjoyment.

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Postby CTALNH » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:09 am

Hungramy wrote:Did she do any harm? Most likely not. Was the skeleton raped? No. Does this woman have problems? Yes, very much. I believe this should be ignored this time, but next time some action should be done, because I for one would like it for when I die my body won't be used for sexual enjoyment.

Well if that happens I know I will be getting some and you won't....
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Postby Rilhelmia » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:09 am

CTALNH wrote:
Rilhelmia wrote:EEEEEEWWWW!

Burn her at the stake.

So necrophilia is bad?
And here I am advocating for the legalization of bestiality and incest......


I was being somewhat satirical. Instead she ought to be given the phone number of a good shrink and otherwise ignored.

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Postby CTALNH » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:16 am

Rilhelmia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:So necrophilia is bad?
And here I am advocating for the legalization of bestiality and incest......


I was being somewhat satirical. Instead she ought to be given the phone number of a good shrink and otherwise ignored.

Meh....
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:19 am

Retro Lyra wrote:If indeed she did buy the bones, why is she being prosecuted? That's ridiculous.

It's also ridiculous that you can buy bones. Seriously, the fuck?
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:24 am

Ifreann wrote:
Retro Lyra wrote:If indeed she did buy the bones, why is she being prosecuted? That's ridiculous.

It's also ridiculous that you can buy bones. Seriously, the fuck?


I wouldn't mind owning a brain in a jar, think it would look nifty sitting in amongst my books and antiques.

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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:40 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What good will the prison do exactly.

Discouraging her disgraceful behavior.

I'm fairly certain that people who want to have sex with skeletons are about as discouraged as they practically can be.
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Postby Qazox » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:43 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Nope.
The individual is gone. She didn't have sex with him without his consent, she had sex with an inanimate object. She didn't rape a ghost.

No, she had sex with his body when it was unable to give consent without his consent.


Isn't that the technical definition of RAPE??
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:45 am

Qazox wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:No, she had sex with his body when it was unable to give consent without his consent.


Isn't that the technical definition of RAPE??


Fairly sure it requires you to rape THEM rather than something they previously inhabited. Like I said, she didn't rape a ghost.
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Postby Norstal » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:46 am

Reggae Magmia wrote:"Women has sex with skeleton:"
:eyebrow: Dafuq?! :blink:

"May go to prison:"
Dafuq?! :eyebrow:

OK, it's some sick shit, but prison? There isn't something better to be dealing with?

It disturbs the dead in that, if I were a family member of that dead person, I wouldn't want anyone to dig up their damn corpse.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
Retro Lyra wrote:If indeed she did buy the bones, why is she being prosecuted? That's ridiculous.

It's also ridiculous that you can buy bones. Seriously, the fuck?


Who are you to tell people what they can and cannot do with their property? :p

If I want my bones sold after my death, then so be it.
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Postby Qazox » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:49 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's also ridiculous that you can buy bones. Seriously, the fuck?


Who are you to tell people what they can and cannot do with their property? :p

If I want my bones sold after my death, then so be it.


Too bad once you're dead, you have no legal standing. (Which rips my point in my previous post to shreds, BTW :palm: ). There is NOTHING, not a will/trust that can give a corpse legal standing. You can make a will, don't mean that anyone has to follow it.
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