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What should be done about such offenses?

1. Prosecute
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2, Object, marginalize the person, but allow.
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3. Ignore
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4. Encourage (ewww)
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5. Other
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Total votes : 381

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Postby Sidhae » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:43 pm

Only in Scandinavia...

Obviously, a person deranged enough to do something as sick and disgusting should be reprimanded to a mental hospital for a lengthy stay.
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Postby Izandai » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:46 pm

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If you don't know how the person intended for their remains to be treated... safe guess they didn't want them stuck up your prat eh?

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Postby Grenartia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:47 pm

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I actually consider vampires to be alive. I have nothing against vampires, unless they're like in Twilight.

Twilight is an insult to all vampires.

True Blood is better. In True Blood, the only thing that sparkles is Lafayette.


I'm not familiar with True Blood.

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I actually consider vampires to be alive. I have nothing against vampires, unless they're like in Twilight.

Image


I have no problem with vampiric fellatio afficionados. My problem is with Twilight.
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Postby Kleomentia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:48 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Twilight is an insult to all vampires.

True Blood is better. In True Blood, the only thing that sparkles is Lafayette.


I'm not familiar with True Blood.

Kleomentia wrote:Image


I have no problem with vampiric fellatio afficionados. My problem is with Twilight.

Watch it(True Blood), its much better and a hell of a lot less gay.
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Postby Aibohphobia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:00 pm

Who deems what moral?
Why is having sex with a child or a skeleton suddenly less "appropriate" than with anyone else?
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Postby Great Yorkshire » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:17 pm

Izandai wrote:
Great Yorkshire wrote:No one. But I say that as an atheist.
If I was an Ancient Egyptian however...

If you don't know how the person intended for their remains to be treated... safe guess they didn't want them stuck up your prat eh?

1. We aren't ancient egyptians.
2. You are correct. And thus I could be brought to court on property charges (i.e. the use of property belonging to someone else (the next-of-kin of the deceased) without permission), but what I did isn't "just wrong." It's just illegal.
If it was up to me I wouldn't even bother with a statute of limitations over a next of kin's right regarding a body. I'd just say let them either sue for psychological trauma or financial loss (if they were using the bones to prop up a shelf for example).

However, when you ignore someone else's religious views even when they differ from your own, you should always have a good justification, or it's normal to feel a pang of guilt.
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:42 pm

*Shrugs*
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:01 pm

Kleomentia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I'm not familiar with True Blood.



I have no problem with vampiric fellatio afficionados. My problem is with Twilight.

Watch it(True Blood), its much better and a hell of a lot less gay.


Are you using gay in a derogatory manner?
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Postby Seperates » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:06 pm

Meh... I don't personally care. However, legally this comes down to one fundemental question.
Can the dead give consent?
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:08 pm

Seperates wrote:Meh... I don't personally care. However, legally this comes down to one fundemental question.
Can the dead give consent?

The skeleton is an object, not a person, so the question is irrelevant.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:08 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Kleomentia wrote:Watch it(True Blood), its much better and a hell of a lot less gay.


Are you using gay in a derogatory manner?

No, I think he literally means it is considerably less homosexual.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:09 pm

Seperates wrote:Meh... I don't personally care. However, legally this comes down to one fundemental question.
Can the dead give consent?


A person near death can give consent for a specific person/group of people to fuck their remains...
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Postby Kleomentia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:10 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Kleomentia wrote:Watch it(True Blood), its much better and a hell of a lot less gay.


Are you using gay in a derogatory manner?

Im using gay in a they don't have lip gloss over their bodies like twilight vampires way. I mean no offense to gay people.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:10 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
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Are you using gay in a derogatory manner?

No, I think he literally means it is considerably less homosexual.

Weird. From everything people have told me, there are infinite times as many homosexuals in true blood as there are in twilight. At least 2 or 3, as compared to 0.
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Postby Atollus » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:11 pm

Its a skeleton as such a victim-less crime. Its not like the dead guy is using it anymore so...who cares?
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Postby Allemonde » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:13 pm

Anatomically speaking, huh? It doesn't have a penis.

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Postby Kleomentia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:14 pm

Allemonde wrote:Anatomically speaking, huh? It doesn't have a penis.

It has other parts, i think thats enough. *perv face*
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Postby Cruciland » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:15 pm

Well, they already have legalized homosexual marriage... 'Mise as well legalize necrophilia, too.
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Postby Kleomentia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:16 pm

Cruciland wrote:Well, they already have legalized homosexual marriage... 'Mise as well legalize necrophilia, too.

"I know pronounce you man and wife."
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You can see where it gets complicated.
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Postby Seperates » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:17 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Seperates wrote:Meh... I don't personally care. However, legally this comes down to one fundemental question.
Can the dead give consent?

The skeleton is an object, not a person, so the question is irrelevant.

True. But what about ownership of said skeleton?
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Postby 4years » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:17 pm

Seperates wrote:Meh... I don't personally care. However, legally this comes down to one fundemental question.
Can the dead give consent?


A dead body is an object; consent is irrelevant. The real legal question is who owns the skeleton and who did she get it?
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:18 pm

Cruciland wrote:Well, they already have legalized homosexual marriage... 'Mise as well legalize necrophilia, too.

You realize that the two are not even a little bit related, right? One is about two people getting married, and the other is about people using bodies as sex objects. One involves two people, one involves a person and an object.
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Postby Page » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:19 pm

Well, grave robbery should remain a crime and so should mishandling of remains, though I don't think fucking a skeleton should be any more of a crime than dressing them up in a silly costume or putting them in front of your storefront with a "we buy gold" sign (people still do that, right?)

In theory, I think if someone specifically willed their corpse to become the property of another than necrophilia should be allowed, though there still needs to be a regulatory procedure, corpses are still a public health hazard and such.

So there are legitimate reasons why it wouldn't be legal to fuck a corpse, I just don't think it should be explicitly or particularly illegal to.
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Postby Seperates » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:19 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Seperates wrote:Meh... I don't personally care. However, legally this comes down to one fundemental question.
Can the dead give consent?


A person near death can give consent for a specific person/group of people to fuck their remains...

Hmm... I guess that is true as well. That being said, can a person decree that no one can fuck their remains? And consent can be given, does that me that lack of non-consent is consent? Basically, "I can do that because it doesn't say anywhere that I can't??
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