Virginity

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Oh, I can show proof that I am a physics major.

You should probably do that then.

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[Occalgavia]

No it isn't.

Then who defines it?

Don't mention anything religious unless you can conclusively prove it.

We can discover a set of objective morals through reason.

[Euronion]

I am Barrack Obama. Prove that I am not.

You might be Barrack Obama, but I'm Ronald Regan.

But then who's Elvis?

[Ovisterra]

Then who defines it?

Don't mention anything religious unless you can conclusively prove it.

We can discover a set of objective morals through reason.

Not really. You can create collaborative subjective morals, but not objective ones.

Anyways, this isn't a place to discuss the objectivity of morality. If you think you can reason your way to proving that excessive sex is immoral, please do so now.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Then who defines it?

Don't mention anything religious unless you can conclusively prove it.

We can discover a set of objective morals through reason.

And I have reasonably deduced that no one is immoral for having sex.

[Ovisterra]

We can discover a set of objective morals through reason.

And I have reasonably deduced that no one is immoral for having sex.

Well, that was fun. I guess we can all go home now.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

And I have reasonably deduced that no one is immoral for having sex.

Well, that was fun. I guess we can all go home now.

Good job fellas.
(speaking of, it's like... 4:12a. I need to sleep like yesterday. Literally.)

[Mavorpen]

I prefer a mixed scientific perspective, which is abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent the spread of STDs and HIVs, but people still will have sex. .

Abstinence doesn't prevent the spread of STDs 100%.

[New Sapienta]

You should probably do that then.

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You should probably mremove the third pic, because your name can be seen with enough effort.

Anyway, good for you and congratulations on your degree. I was simply playing Devil's Advocate.

[Transhuman Proteus]

First - because what is considered a "slut" differs person to person and some people don't consider it a thing that really exists at all.

Right, so I can shame some people for it, and others can shame a different lot of people, and so on.

You're saying people should be ashamed. You aren't giving a reason why, other than the way they live their life which has no impact on you ticks you off in some way.

Second - when you have defined "slut" you should explain why it is a bad thing. No points if you need religion to do it (especially a religion that involved telling people the only one who should be casting stones are the ones who aren't sinners themselves)

That's fine. I don't need religion to do it.
But one religious person could use religion to do it if the person they were shaming was of the same religion, no?

No, they'd still be massive hypocrites.

Third - You are feeling ashamed because of how people perceive you. Connected to two - why the fuck should one care if Occalgavia or others considers one a slut? Who died and made you're opinion such we should tremble at the thought of not living up to your standards?

They don't have to care (although I think that would be a bad idea). I am still allowed to think and say whatever I want.

Again, you're saying people should be ashamed. If people don't have to care what you think then apparently they don't need to be ashamed.

And yes, you negative, illogical opinions on other people are your own to make.

Morality is subjective.

NEXT?

No it isn't.

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That's why there is only one culture in the world and culture and socieity doesn't changed. The world of today is the same as the world of 10 years ago and the world of...

So no, it most certainly is. In the absence of a total authority who we respect and have reason to listen to on the subject morality is very much subjective. Sit you and your neighbor down and chances are good you'd both have different stances on different questions of morality. And neither of you might be right or wrong.

Then who defines it?

Don't mention anything religious unless you can conclusively prove it.

We can discover a set of objective morals through reason.

We can discover? So we haven't discovered it yet?

If we have please point me to the moral authority that proves having sex outside of marriage or more than one sexual partner in your whole life is immoral.

See, my morals say it isn't. My morals respect peoples sexual freedoms.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

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You should probably mremove the third pic, because your name can be seen with enough effort.

Anyway, good for you and congratulations on your degree. I was simply playing Devil's Advocate.

Devil's advocates are the worst type of people, by the way.

[New Sapienta]

You should probably mremove the third pic, because your name can be seen with enough effort.

Anyway, good for you and congratulations on your degree. I was simply playing Devil's Advocate.

Devil's advocates are the worst type of people, by the way.

I just don't lke the circle jerks that tend to happen hear because of the vocal minority/majority(don't know which yet) and Mavorpen's comment made me afraid that was about to happen.

[Euronion]

You should probably do that then.

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Still does not prove that you are a Sex Educator licensed by Planned Parenthood, and for all I know, this can be faked. If I were looking to impersonate Barrack Obama, I could find resources and means to do so. Just as if I were looking to impersonate someone I could and would gather resources to "prove" that I was said person. As I said before and will say again, you cannot trust anything over the internet. I have come to this when debating religion with people. What is sufficient proof? What is the opposing side looking for that I must show them? It is simply extremely difficult to prove anything over the internet about who you are.

For example, I can take this image upload it to tinypic and claim I am this Raymond Frank Mills.

[Transhuman Proteus]

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Still does not prove that you are a Sex Educator licensed by Planned Parenthood, and for all I know, this can be faked. If I were looking to impersonate Barrack Obama, I could find resources and means to do so. Just as if I were looking to impersonate someone I could and would gather resources to "prove" that I was said person. As I said before and will say again, you cannot trust anything over the internet. I have come to this when debating religion with people. What is sufficient proof? What is the opposing side looking for that I must show them? It is simply extremely difficult to prove anything over the internet about who you are.

For example, I can take this image upload it to tinypic and claim I am this Raymond Frank Mills.

[Mavorpen]

Still does not prove that you are a Sex Educator licensed by Planned Parenthood, and for all I know, this can be faked. If I were looking to impersonate Barrack Obama, I could find resources and means to do so. Just as if I were looking to impersonate someone I could and would gather resources to "prove" that I was said person. As I said before and will say again, you cannot trust anything over the internet. I have come to this when debating religion with people. What is sufficient proof? What is the opposing side looking for that I must show them? It is simply extremely difficult to prove anything over the internet about who you are.

For example, I can take this image upload it to tinypic and claim I am this Raymond Frank Mills.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

http://i49.tinypic.com/5uilpe.png
http://i49.tinypic.com/a1lhj8.png
http://i46.tinypic.com/33bmnpg.png

Still does not prove that you are a Sex Educator licensed by Planned Parenthood, and for all I know, this can be faked. If I were looking to impersonate Barrack Obama, I could find resources and means to do so. Just as if I were looking to impersonate someone I could and would gather resources to "prove" that I was said person. As I said before and will say again, you cannot trust anything over the internet. I have come to this when debating religion with people. What is sufficient proof? What is the opposing side looking for that I must show them? It is simply extremely difficult to prove anything over the internet about who you are.

For example, I can take this image upload it to tinypic and claim I am this Raymond Frank Mills.

Time. Stamp.

[New Sapienta]

http://i49.tinypic.com/5uilpe.png
http://i49.tinypic.com/a1lhj8.png
http://i46.tinypic.com/33bmnpg.png

Still does not prove that you are a Sex Educator licensed by Planned Parenthood, and for all I know, this can be faked. If I were looking to impersonate Barrack Obama, I could find resources and means to do so. Just as if I were looking to impersonate someone I could and would gather resources to "prove" that I was said person. As I said before and will say again, you cannot trust anything over the internet. I have come to this when debating religion with people. What is sufficient proof? What is the opposing side looking for that I must show them? It is simply extremely difficult to prove anything over the internet about who you are.

For example, I can take this image upload it to tinypic and claim I am this Raymond Frank Mills.

I don't think someone woud go through that much trouble to impress an anonomyous figure on a debate forum people spend too much time on.

[Tsaraine]

Enough of this pointless bickering on the subjectivity of truth! I, SPARTACUS, say this! It serves only to distract and to detract from the debate at hand! Let us have no more of it - or make a new thread for it, if you truly wish to debate philosophy - myself, I think it's a feeble attempt to attack the opponent's credentials in lieu of attacking their argument or data.

~ Tsar the Mod is Spartacus, and you can't prove I'm not.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Still does not prove that you are a Sex Educator licensed by Planned Parenthood, and for all I know, this can be faked. If I were looking to impersonate Barrack Obama, I could find resources and means to do so. Just as if I were looking to impersonate someone I could and would gather resources to "prove" that I was said person. As I said before and will say again, you cannot trust anything over the internet. I have come to this when debating religion with people. What is sufficient proof? What is the opposing side looking for that I must show them? It is simply extremely difficult to prove anything over the internet about who you are.

For example, I can take this image upload it to tinypic and claim I am this Raymond Frank Mills.

I don't think someone woud go through that much trouble to impress an anonomyous figure on a debate forum people spend too much time on.

Oh, according to him, I lie about everything...
While he totes on about how OMG HE TOOK AN HONORS PHYSICS CLASS ONE TIME IN SCHOOL HOLY FUCK.

[New Sapienta]

I don't think someone woud go through that much trouble to impress an anonomyous figure on a debate forum people spend too much time on.

Oh, according to him, I lie about everything...
While he totes on about how OMG HE TOOK AN HONORS PHYSICS CLASS ONE TIME IN SCHOOL HOLY FUCK.

I thought he tried saying that he was part of NASA.

When did that change?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Enough of this pointless bickering on the subjectivity of truth! I, SPARTACUS, say this! It serves only to distract and to detract from the debate at hand! Let us have no more of it - or make a new thread for it, if you truly wish to debate philosophy - myself, I think it's a feeble attempt to attack the opponent's credentials in lieu of attacking their argument or data.

~ Tsar the Mod is Spartacus, and you can't prove I'm not.

Awww, Tsar...

[Euronion]

Devil's advocates are the worst type of people, by the way.

I just don't lke the circle jerks that tend to happen hear because of the vocal minority/majority(don't know which yet) and Mavorpen's comment made me afraid that was about to happen.

NS is the pinnacle of the Vocal Minority. If you look up some of the political orientation threads we have a good percentage of Communists, Fascists, Anarchists, ect. on here. My theory on the subject is that if you are happy enough with your country the way it is and don't see the appeal in creating one of your own, then you go on your merry day. For myself, I joined because several of my friends joined and I was interested in the challenge of making something similar to the USA. The only reason I've kept it up is because it gives me excuses to make youtube videos for Euronion, not to long ago I made an animation of a waving Euronion flag in Blender, added some music and uploaded it to youtube. I did it just because I wanted to try and make shit but I didn't have an excuse to, Euronion gives me this excuse. I go on here when I'm board or procrastinating and get involved in some of the top discussions.

[Mavorpen]

Oh, according to him, I lie about everything...
While he totes on about how OMG HE TOOK AN HONORS PHYSICS CLASS ONE TIME IN SCHOOL HOLY FUCK.

I thought he tried saying that he was part of NASA.

When did that change?

According to him, that was his brother.

But please, let's stop this.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Oh, according to him, I lie about everything...
While he totes on about how OMG HE TOOK AN HONORS PHYSICS CLASS ONE TIME IN SCHOOL HOLY FUCK.

I thought he tried saying that he was part of NASA.

When did that change?

No, that was apparently "his brother" who is apparently more intelligent than me at 14 because "LOL HE FOOLED EVERYONE INTO THINKING HE WAS PART OF NASA"

[New Sapienta]

I just don't lke the circle jerks that tend to happen hear because of the vocal minority/majority(don't know which yet) and Mavorpen's comment made me afraid that was about to happen.

NS is the pinnacle of the Vocal Minority. If you look up some of the political orientation threads we have a good percentage of Communists, Fascists, Anarchists, ect. on here. My theory on the subject is that if you are happy enough with your country the way it is and don't see the appeal in creating one of your own, then you go on your merry day. For myself, I joined because several of my friends joined and I was interested in the challenge of making something similar to the USA. The only reason I've kept it up is because it gives me excuses to make youtube videos for Euronion, not to long ago I made an animation of a waving Euronion flag in Blender, added some music and uploaded it to youtube. I did it just because I wanted to try and make shit but I didn't have an excuse to, Euronion gives me this excuse. I go on here when I'm board or procrastinating and get involved in some of the top discussions.

Radicals and extremists tend to be more politically active, true.