Virginity

[Sudenbergreich]

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

From USATODAY.com:

Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more likely to have had anal sex, according to the study. Overall, pledgers were six times more likely to have oral sex than teens who have remained abstinent but not as part of a pledge.

The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the study found.

Really now? Less STDs?

The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the study found.

Yup... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/hea ... htm?csp=34

Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=0fKazA3j6xo

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

Indeed. Not to mention all the other lovely benefits. One being... well, how to put it...

"Absence makes the heart grow fonder..." Celibacy until marriage really does make the honeymoon bed so much sweeter.

Nah, I'd rather passion, and knowing what I'm doing. Not awkward first time sex.
"Wait, wait... I can't... I can't find it."
"Down... down... do-- OWWW OWWW OWW"

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

From USATODAY.com:

Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more likely to have had anal sex, according to the study. Overall, pledgers were six times more likely to have oral sex than teens who have remained abstinent but not as part of a pledge.

The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the study found.

Really now? Less STDs?

The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the study found.

Yup... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/hea ... htm?csp=34

Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=0fKazA3j6xo

Liberal bias!!! u must use sources from conservapedia!

[Avenio]

I googled the authors and tried to back-source the papers via looking for their university pages. I didn't find the one mentioned, but I did find another study, and, well... I'll let it speak for itself.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

And to think - that probably got grant money that could have literally been spent anywhere else in the sciences and would have produced orders of magnitude more useful information.

[Norstal]

Liberal bias!!! u must use sources from conservapedia!

Calm your tits.

Anyways, abstinence doesn't prevent STDs with perfection. Hepatitis spreads through used glasses, plates, and half-eaten food.

[Euronion]

1. As I said there is medication to soothe the illness.
2. I have heard of it and it is in very VERY limited circumstances and make no mistake, viruses WILL adapt. We may extinguish AIDS but that doesn't mean that inevitable evolution of a new virus will take place and in the next decade or so, we will be fighting that new disease. There is no cure, the "cures" that I have read about involve Bone Marrow transplants and new immune systems. This means that another Genetic Mutation or Cross Specie Disease will return HIV status to incurable, not to mention that the HIV virus can be recontacted afterwards.
3. No it doesn't automatically mean you are damaged, but I was shown the pictures in Health Class of what these disease do to your body, I watched interviews and talked to people with STDS and HIVS and they ALL have said that they need to take large amounts of medication (one person said she had to take 10 pills 3 times a day). They ALL have also said that Chastity is the ONLY 100% way to GUARANTEE YOU WILL NOT GET PREGNANT OR GET AN STD
4. Point again to where I said that if you contract a STD or HIV you will die?
5. I find your last comment rather condescending and unnecessary, it makes me think of you as a child pounding on his or her key board. All that I have said here is basic sexual education. Therefore it would seem appropriate to tell you, in a grammatically correct fashion, to learn your Sex Ed.

Bullshit. You've done no educating. You have only slutshamed, hated, and spewed scare tactics.
Abstinence only education does not work.
ftr, I'm a licensed sex educator.

1. I did not claim I've done educating, I've been educated in such matters by Sex Educator, My Health Teachers, And Various AIDs and HIV speakers who frequented my school every year to talk and educate on the matter.
2. If you call scientific fact "slutshamed, hated, and spewed scare tactics" than so be it, it is your opinion, but it gives you as much credit to your name as those who doubt Global Warming exists.
3. No you are not a Sex Educator, how can I tell? your lack of knowledge on the subject and the condescending manner in which you address me and others who bring facts to the table is proof enough. My 14 year old brother had nearly everyone on these forums convinced that he was an engineer working for NASA. As this commercial demonstrates clearly enough, you are nothing if you have no proof.

[Zweite Alaje]

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

Counseling? For what? How to fuck more people's brains out? What good is talking to the nymphos if they're being told promiscuity is "awesome"!!! Their being told " go and bang all you like, you can just go get an abortion anyway, it's ok!!!".

[Ovisterra]

Liberal bias!!! u must use sources from conservapedia!

Calm your tits.

Hey! That's my line!

[Mavorpen]

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

Counseling? For what? How to fuck more people's brains out? What good is talking to the nymphos if they're being told promiscuity is "awesome"!!! Their being told " go and bang all you like, you can just go get an abortion anyway, it's ok!!!".

It is okay. And I'm not seeing the problem with telling them "promiscuity is awesome!" if you're teaching them about safe sex. Works better than shoving, "don't have sex" down their throat.

[Sudenbergreich]

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

Counseling? For what? How to fuck more people's brains out? What good is talking to the nymphos if they're being told promiscuity is "awesome"!!! Their being told " go and bang all you like, you can just go get an abortion anyway, it's ok!!!".

Ok, YOU'RE the slut-shamer. Congratulations.

[San-Silvacian]

What aboot guys that just don't have sex because they either don't have a partner or can actually find other things to do (Like...here). It seems more and more than guys are pressured to have sex before they are 18 or they are considered odd or weird. Hell I have a buddy who hooked up with a chick before he was 16 or 17 just so he didn't become 16 or 17 a virgin.

But if I remember, the chick was also a virgin. So meh.

Stupidity on both ends.

[Mavorpen]

It seems more and more than guys are pressured to have sex before they are 18 or they are considered odd or weird. Hell I have a buddy who hooked up with a chick before he was 16 or 17 just so he didn't become 16 or 17 a virgin.

I think less about sex in college than I ever did in High School.

[Banana Imparfait]

You make it sound like people are incubi/succubi and suck the life out of their partners during sex. It's the only way I can see having a partner satisfying a biological need more.

Sex toys do not release the same hormones that real sex does. It's not as fun, there are limited positions, no communication, no mutual fantasy-play, no BDSM, no spanking or choking... Toys are lacking.
Plus, dildos get fucking cold. That shit is not pleasant in the winter.

I'm not sure how to say this, but—you know you can use sex toys WITH a partner, right? You have as many options in terms of positions, and they can even give way to some new ones. (Some are even designed to make certain positions easier to achieve.) Also—BDSM, spanking, choking, fantasy play... all of these things can involve sex toys very, very easily. (E.g. Rope, paddle, collar, dildo...)

And as with sex that doesn't involve toys, of course, communication is essential. With some toys, like some I mention above, not communicating would be straight-up stupid, and very dangerous. But communication is essential to fantastic sex anyway, so.

Also, since there seems to be some confusion: yes, you can boil dildos and other silicone toys to clean them (assuming they don't have exposed electronic bits, e.g. for recharging). Silicone—like many other substances—doesn't melt in boiling water. It just gets hella clean.

Re: Virginity—people have some serious hang-ups about that stuff. Society's approach seems to be like a sex version of Michael Pollan's food advice: "Have sex, not too much, mostly with one person." Which is obviously nonsense. Have as much sex or as little as you like. Just make sure it's safe, consensual, honest, and fun as hell.

[Costa Alegria]

What aboot guys that just don't have sex because they either don't have a partner or can actually find other things to do (Like...here).

So instead of going out and having sex, we go on the internet and talk about it?

[Euronion]

Counseling? For what? How to fuck more people's brains out? What good is talking to the nymphos if they're being told promiscuity is "awesome"!!! Their being told " go and bang all you like, you can just go get an abortion anyway, it's ok!!!".

It is okay. And I'm not seeing the problem with telling them "promiscuity is awesome!" if you're teaching them about safe sex. Works better than shoving, "don't have sex" down their throat.

Until Trojan invents a heated pleasurable for both parties Titanium Condom that gives the magic 100% number like abstinence does, I will never advocate sexual promiscuity.

[Mavorpen]

It is okay. And I'm not seeing the problem with telling them "promiscuity is awesome!" if you're teaching them about safe sex. Works better than shoving, "don't have sex" down their throat.

Until Trojan invents a heated pleasurable for both parties Titanium Condom that gives the magic 100% number like abstinence does, I will never advocate sexual promiscuity.

And yet advocating promiscuity with safe sex would STILL work better than advocating for abstinence.

[Euronion]

What aboot guys that just don't have sex because they either don't have a partner or can actually find other things to do (Like...here). It seems more and more than guys are pressured to have sex before they are 18 or they are considered odd or weird. Hell I have a buddy who hooked up with a chick before he was 16 or 17 just so he didn't become 16 or 17 a virgin.

But if I remember, the chick was also a virgin. So meh.

Stupidity on both ends.

I cannot tell you how many times I have seen questions on Yahoo! Answers asking if it was "okay" to be a virgin at 18-23 practically every day, though the age usually hovers around 17-20

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Liberal bias!!! u must use sources from conservapedia!

Calm your tits.

Anyways, abstinence doesn't prevent STDs with perfection. Hepatitis spreads through used glasses, plates, and half-eaten food.

I have to get tested for Hep all the time.
Why?
Because I handle bodily fluids and poop.
Cool.

Bullshit. You've done no educating. You have only slutshamed, hated, and spewed scare tactics.
Abstinence only education does not work.
ftr, I'm a licensed sex educator.

1. I did not claim I've done educating, I've been educated in such matters by Sex Educator, My Health Teachers, And Various AIDs and HIV speakers who frequented my school every year to talk and educate on the matter.
2. If you call scientific fact "slutshamed, hated, and spewed scare tactics" than so be it, it is your opinion, but it gives you as much credit to your name as those who doubt Global Warming exists.
3. No you are not a Sex Educator, how can I tell? your lack of knowledge on the subject and the condescending manner in which you address me and others who bring facts to the table is proof enough. My 14 year old brother had nearly everyone on these forums convinced that he was an engineer working for NASA. As this commercial demonstrates clearly enough, you are nothing if you have no proof.

Oh that's cool I didn't know you knew my life, I guess you can also tell me what my other two jobs are? I have no idea. Maybe you can tell me what my major is?
Uh, no. I'm a campus sex educator, trained by PP. I go to dorms and group meetings and explain the importance of consent, safe sex, open dialog, etc. I also handle sidework in talking to women about "gray rape" and date rape. I hand out condoms, female condoms, and lubes. I show people how to use them. I instruct students on where to go to get tested and where to go to get birth control.
Now, before you tell me what I do with my life, I suggest you just zip the lip and sit down.

[Euronion]

Until Trojan invents a heated pleasurable for both parties Titanium Condom that gives the magic 100% number like abstinence does, I will never advocate sexual promiscuity.

And yet advocating promiscuity with safe sex would STILL work better than advocating for abstinence.

Then we are at an impasse, because I disagree.

[EnragedMaldivians]

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

Counseling? For what? How to fuck more people's brains out? What good is talking to the nymphos if they're being told promiscuity is "awesome"!!! Their being told " go and bang all you like, you can just go get an abortion anyway, it's ok!!!".

I'm starting to understand why some women might want to get pregnant and get an abortion just out of spite; it really does piss you off, doesn't it?

[North Calaveras]

What aboot guys that just don't have sex because they either don't have a partner or can actually find other things to do (Like...here).

So instead of going out and having sex, we go on the internet and talk about it?

that's what I picture most NSers doing already

[Mavorpen]

And yet advocating promiscuity with safe sex would STILL work better than advocating for abstinence.

Then we are at an impasse, because I disagree.

That's nice, I have facts.

Because, your "facts" aren't facts. If we were to stop teaching abstinence there'd be MORE pregnancies (especially teen pregnancies) not less! Your position doesn't even remotely make any sense.

How aren't they facts? How many sources have I given you? Let me count the ways.
1) http://www.avert.org/sex-education.htm
2) http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/abstinence07/
3) http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/032210abonly.html
4) http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04 ... education/
5) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01003.html
6) http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.pdf

The fact is, contraception reduces pregnancy rates, not abstinence. I could care less if my position makes sense to you. You've provided no evidence of any sort that yours does.

Your move.

[Norstal]

It is okay. And I'm not seeing the problem with telling them "promiscuity is awesome!" if you're teaching them about safe sex. Works better than shoving, "don't have sex" down their throat.

Until Trojan invents a heated pleasurable for both parties Titanium Condom that gives the magic 100% number like abstinence does, I will never advocate sexual promiscuity.

Abstinence doesn't prevent STDs no more than not living in Europe or Canada prevents you from getting a cold. Microbes are everywhere.

For a physicist, you sure are bad with statistics.

[Banana Imparfait]

Until Trojan invents a heated pleasurable for both parties Titanium Condom that gives the magic 100% number like abstinence does, I will never advocate sexual promiscuity.

And yet advocating promiscuity with safe sex would STILL work better than advocating for abstinence.

In fact, it leads to fewer STDs and unwanted pregnancies—because if you talk to people like they're going to have sex (which they are), you tell them how to stay safe and keep risk minimal.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Until Trojan invents a heated pleasurable for both parties Titanium Condom that gives the magic 100% number like abstinence does, I will never advocate sexual promiscuity.

And yet advocating promiscuity with safe sex would STILL work better than advocating for abstinence.

This simple fact is too hard for some people to grasp.