Virginity

[Zweite Alaje]

MALE CONDOMS!
FEMALE CONDOMS!
STD TESTING!
Planned parenthood does it ALL for extremely cheap or FREE.

Male Condoms Break and are misused
Female Condoms also break and are also misused and no where near as effective as a male condom
As for STD testing, some strains of STDs remain dormant for a very long time, I've heard of some cases where the person only notices symptoms 10-15 years after contracting the virus. There is also that mentality that because your partner is "clean" then he/she doesn't have an STD and you do not need to be tested as testing is embarrassing for many people.

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

MALE CONDOMS!
FEMALE CONDOMS!
STD TESTING!
Planned parenthood does it ALL for extremely cheap or FREE.

Male Condoms Break and are misused
Female Condoms also break and are also misused and no where near as effective as a male condom
As for STD testing, some strains of STDs remain dormant for a very long time, I've heard of some cases where the person only notices symptoms 10-15 years after contracting the virus. There is also that mentality that because your partner is "clean" then he/she doesn't have an STD and you do not need to be tested as testing is embarrassing for many people.

No longer than six months. responsible adults get tested every 6 months. Even if I've only had sex with women, I get tested.
Condoms prevent STDs more than 98% of the time.
you have no point.

[Occalgavia]

Sure. And it's my prerogative to not give a shit, because I don't really want to be lovers or even friends with someone who judges either positivly or negativly based on the amount of copulation I choose to have or not have.

Absolutely. I completely support this.

Ah, but the code of Bushido states that the only two honorable outcomes to a battle are Victory or Death.

It is best to win without fighting.
~Sun Tzu, The Art of War

HIV is no longer a death sentence.

Regrettable indeed.

[Mavorpen]

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective and combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

Seriously, this means jack shit if abstinence only education doesn't work.

[Avenio]

Actually, I've seen it, but not in academic journals.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18866_5- ... ience.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hea ... en-shallow

The second one does refer to a study, but it appears to be from a cringe-inducingly bad proponent of evolutionary psychology.

That was humour?

The bitterness is strong in this one.

Perhaps you should've gone for 'sand nigger' or 'towelhead' instead? Bit more of a 'wow' factor whilst still retaining the 'humour' of the original.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Male Condoms Break and are misused
Female Condoms also break and are also misused and no where near as effective as a male condom
As for STD testing, some strains of STDs remain dormant for a very long time, I've heard of some cases where the person only notices symptoms 10-15 years after contracting the virus. There is also that mentality that because your partner is "clean" then he/she doesn't have an STD and you do not need to be tested as testing is embarrassing for many people.

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Why do people bring up HIV so much?

btw even if the person has an STD it doesn't guarantee you will receive it if you have unprotected sex, it's a Russian roulette kind of thing.

Yes, but certain people love trying their luck at it. These are the same people that cry about teen pregnancy and needing abortions, but they don't want to take the necessary precautions to prevent such things.

You make it sound like before each sexual encounter people sit down and go "well, lets see if I dodge the pregnancy bullet this time!" They generally don't.

People can be thoughtless, poorly educated, taken advantage of, victims of accidents - it happens. Abortion is a final resort, and perfectly adequate for that role.

HIV is no longer a death sentence. FFS they've even learned how to, in limited circumstances, cure HIV. HIV does not automatically mean you are damaged, and it definitely does not bean you will die. LERN2SCIENCE

HIV might as well be a death sentence if you aren't rich enough to afford the medication. I know I'd prefer to commit suicide than to allow my immune system to torment me until death.

If you discovered you had aids today no, you don't need to be super rich to control it.

[Mavorpen]

The second one does refer to a study, but it appears to be from a cringe-inducingly bad proponent of evolutionary psychology.

Indeed, but I can't seem to find the actual study itself (unless I missed it).

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Sure. And it's my prerogative to not give a shit, because I don't really want to be lovers or even friends with someone who judges either positivly or negativly based on the amount of copulation I choose to have or not have.

Absolutely. I completely support this.

Ah, but the code of Bushido states that the only two honorable outcomes to a battle are Victory or Death.

It is best to win without fighting.
~Sun Tzu, The Art of War

HIV is no longer a death sentence.

Regrettable indeed.

You WANT those with HIV to die?
Wow.
WOW.
I thought I hated you before, but now...

[Occalgavia]

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

I choose option two. Now can I stop paying for the first option?

You WANT those with HIV to die?
Wow.
WOW.
I thought I hated you before, but now...

[Euronion]

because it is an incurable illness that severally damages the person who is infected with it, the costs for and the amount of medication (the medication to soothe it because it is incurable) are simply outrageous. As for your second point, you are correct, but you are seriously seriously risking it, it is less of a Russian roulette and more of a, load 6 bullets in the revolver, spin it and shoot it at your head hoping that all you'll hear is a click. Mind you, the only way to control the spread of STDs and HIVs barring blood to blood transmission is a condom. Not even a vasectomy will inhibit its spread.

HIV is no longer a death sentence. FFS they've even learned how to, in limited circumstances, cure HIV. HIV does not automatically mean you are damaged, and it definitely does not bean you will die.
LERN2SCIENCE

1. As I said there is medication to soothe the illness.
2. I have heard of it and it is in very VERY limited circumstances and make no mistake, viruses WILL adapt. We may extinguish AIDS but that doesn't mean that inevitable evolution of a new virus will take place and in the next decade or so, we will be fighting that new disease. There is no cure, the "cures" that I have read about involve Bone Marrow transplants and new immune systems. This means that another Genetic Mutation or Cross Specie Disease will return HIV status to incurable, not to mention that the HIV virus can be recontacted afterwards.
3. No it doesn't automatically mean you are damaged, but I was shown the pictures in Health Class of what these disease do to your body, I watched interviews and talked to people with STDS and HIVS and they ALL have said that they need to take large amounts of medication (one person said she had to take 10 pills 3 times a day). They ALL have also said that Chastity is the ONLY 100% way to GUARANTEE YOU WILL NOT GET PREGNANT OR GET AN STD
4. Point again to where I said that if you contract a STD or HIV you will die?
5. I find your last comment rather condescending and unnecessary, it makes me think of you as a child pounding on his or her key board. All that I have said here is basic sexual education. Therefore it would seem appropriate to tell you, in a grammatically correct fashion, to learn your Sex Ed.

[Sudenbergreich]

MALE CONDOMS!
FEMALE CONDOMS!
STD TESTING!
Planned parenthood does it ALL for extremely cheap or FREE.

Male Condoms Break and are misused
Female Condoms also break and are also misused and no where near as effective as a male condom

I've never had one condom break. Either I'm the luckiest woman in the world (which I'm not), or this is the most reliable product since the TOASTER

[Mavorpen]

You WANT those with HIV to die?
Wow.
WOW.
I thought I hated you before, but now...

It's easier to just not take him seriously.

[Zweite Alaje]

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective and combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

Seriously, this means jack shit if abstinence only education doesn't work.

<---- said nothing of abstinence only.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

HIV is no longer a death sentence. FFS they've even learned how to, in limited circumstances, cure HIV. HIV does not automatically mean you are damaged, and it definitely does not bean you will die.
LERN2SCIENCE

1. As I said there is medication to soothe the illness.
2. I have heard of it and it is in very VERY limited circumstances and make no mistake, viruses WILL adapt. We may extinguish AIDS but that doesn't mean that inevitable evolution of a new virus will take place and in the next decade or so, we will be fighting that new disease. There is no cure, the "cures" that I have read about involve Bone Marrow transplants and new immune systems. This means that another Genetic Mutation or Cross Specie Disease will return HIV status to incurable, not to mention that the HIV virus can be recontacted afterwards.
3. No it doesn't automatically mean you are damaged, but I was shown the pictures in Health Class of what these disease do to your body, I watched interviews and talked to people with STDS and HIVS and they ALL have said that they need to take large amounts of medication (one person said she had to take 10 pills 3 times a day). They ALL have also said that Chastity is the ONLY 100% way to GUARANTEE YOU WILL NOT GET PREGNANT OR GET AN STD
4. Point again to where I said that if you contract a STD or HIV you will die?
5. I find your last comment rather condescending and unnecessary, it makes me think of you as a child pounding on his or her key board. All that I have said here is basic sexual education. Therefore it would seem appropriate to tell you, in a grammatically correct fashion, to learn your Sex Ed.

Bullshit. You've done no educating. You have only slutshamed, hated, and spewed scare tactics.
Abstinence only education does not work.
ftr, I'm a licensed sex educator.

[Avenio]

Indeed, but I can't seem to find the actual study itself (unless I missed it).

I googled the authors and tried to back-source the papers via looking for their university pages. I didn't find the one mentioned, but I did find another study, and, well... I'll let it speak for itself.

Bust size and hitchhiking: a field study.
Guéguen N. - Université de Bretagne Sud, UFR LSHS, 4 rue Jean Zay, BP 92116, 56321 Lorient, France. nicolas.gueguen@univ-ubs.fr

Abstract

To test the effect of a woman's bust size on the rate of help offered, 1200 male and female French motorists were tested in a hitchhiking situation. A 20-yr.-old female confederate wore a bra which permitted variation in the size of cup to vary her breast size. She stood by the side of a road frequented by hitchhikers and held out her thumb to catch a ride. Increasing the bra-size of the female-hitchhiker was significantly associated with an increase in number of male drivers, but not female drivers, who stopped to offer a ride.

[Mavorpen]

Seriously, this means jack shit if abstinence only education doesn't work.

<---- said nothing of abstinence only.

<----said nothing of you saying something of abstinence only.

That's my point. Your post holds no relevance at all outside of abstinence only education, which doesn't work.

[Euronion]

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

Counseling, Birth Control, Free Confidential Testing do not stop the spread of STDs or HIVs, in the case of the two former, they are completely useless. Just because something is confidential does not mean that the person is embarrassed to have said tests taken. You still have to be driven there, you still need to say that you want a confidential test, and the people you see at the clinic are people you may see elsewhere. Male Condoms are the only effective way to partially combat STDs and HIVs.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Male Condoms Break and are misused
Female Condoms also break and are also misused and no where near as effective as a male condom
As for STD testing, some strains of STDs remain dormant for a very long time, I've heard of some cases where the person only notices symptoms 10-15 years after contracting the virus. There is also that mentality that because your partner is "clean" then he/she doesn't have an STD and you do not need to be tested as testing is embarrassing for many people.

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

And one of the best ways to avoid injury or death in car accidents is not to drive. But if one takes the proper precautions the risks are reduced massivly.

Same with sex. Why yes, never having sex means you'll never get pregnant or get someone else pregnant, is that reason enough not to when the means are available that can reduce the risk of that to near 0, and if that fails abortion is an option? Why no, no it doesn't.

So on one hand - if you are ready for sex and would like to have sex deny yourself the enjoyment or benefit of it because of risks that can mostly be avoided and treated when prevention fails as it does on rare occasions.

or

If you are ready for sex and would like to have sex have sex and practice safe sex and you get to enjoyment and benefits with the risks reduced to, well...

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Male Condoms Break and are misused
Female Condoms also break and are also misused and no where near as effective as a male condom

I've never had one condom break. Either I'm the luckiest woman in the world (which I'm not), or this is the most reliable product since the TOASTER

I put my leg in one once. Like 99% of condoms breaks are because people are not checking and using them properly. They most likely threw them in their wallet or purse, didn't check the packaging for punctures, and then put it on wrong. Or put it on with their mouth.

[Mavorpen]

Indeed, but I can't seem to find the actual study itself (unless I missed it).

I googled the authors and tried to back-source the papers via looking for their university pages. I didn't find the one mentioned, but I did find another study, and, well... I'll let it speak for itself.

Bust size and hitchhiking: a field study.
Guéguen N. - Université de Bretagne Sud, UFR LSHS, 4 rue Jean Zay, BP 92116, 56321 Lorient, France. nicolas.gueguen@univ-ubs.fr

Abstract

To test the effect of a woman's bust size on the rate of help offered, 1200 male and female French motorists were tested in a hitchhiking situation. A 20-yr.-old female confederate wore a bra which permitted variation in the size of cup to vary her breast size. She stood by the side of a road frequented by hitchhikers and held out her thumb to catch a ride. Increasing the bra-size of the female-hitchhiker was significantly associated with an increase in number of male drivers, but not female drivers, who stopped to offer a ride.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[Distributist Chestertonia]

Male Condoms Break and are misused
Female Condoms also break and are also misused and no where near as effective as a male condom
As for STD testing, some strains of STDs remain dormant for a very long time, I've heard of some cases where the person only notices symptoms 10-15 years after contracting the virus. There is also that mentality that because your partner is "clean" then he/she doesn't have an STD and you do not need to be tested as testing is embarrassing for many people.

Yup, and unlike condoms, not having sex is 100% effective at combating pregnancy and STDs!!! So hard to understand!!!

Indeed. Not to mention all the other lovely benefits. One being... well, how to put it...

"Absence makes the heart grow fonder..." Celibacy until marriage really does make the honeymoon bed so much sweeter.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

Counseling, Birth Control, Free Confidential Testing do not stop the spread of STDs or HIVs, in the case of the two former, they are completely useless. Just because something is confidential does not mean that the person is embarrassed to have said tests taken. You still have to be driven there, you still need to say that you want a confidential test, and the people you see at the clinic are people you may see elsewhere. Male Condoms are the only effective way to partially combat STDs and HIVs.

If only you had a single clue what you were talking about.

[Mavorpen]

"Absence makes the heart grow fonder..." Celibacy until marriage really does make the honeymoon bed so much sweeter.

No it doesn't.

[Mavorpen]

You can keep saying that, but the statistics prove it. People aren't going to stop having sex. You can either:
1. Fight the problems by pumping education into young people and giving them access to real help, counseling, condoms, birth control, free, confidential testing, etc.
2. Whine about people not being abstinent while only fueling the problem.

Counseling, Birth Control, Free Confidential Testing do not stop the spread of STDs or HIVs, in the case of the two former, they are completely useless. Just because something is confidential does not mean that the person is embarrassed to have said tests taken. You still have to be driven there, you still need to say that you want a confidential test, and the people you see at the clinic are people you may see elsewhere. Male Condoms are the only effective way to partially combat STDs and HIVs.

WHAT WAS THAT? CAN'T HERE YOU OVER ACTUAL FACTS.

Because, your "facts" aren't facts. If we were to stop teaching abstinence there'd be MORE pregnancies (especially teen pregnancies) not less! Your position doesn't even remotely make any sense.

How aren't they facts? How many sources have I given you? Let me count the ways.
1) http://www.avert.org/sex-education.htm
2) http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/abstinence07/
3) http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/032210abonly.html
4) http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04 ... education/
5) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01003.html
6) http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.pdf

The fact is, contraception reduces pregnancy rates, not abstinence. I could care less if my position makes sense to you. You've provided no evidence of any sort that yours does.

Centrism doesn't stand for "not having ones own opinon". I consider myself centrist do to the differences in policies I support. Yes, socially I do lean to the right, but I lean to the left in the economics department. So, yeah, I suppose for the purposes of this topic I'd be lumped in with the Conservatives.

You aren't a centrist. Socially you are centre right and economically centre left. But you are not a centrist. Moreover, an all around centrist does not mean that you go left one stance and right on another. Centrism means promoting neutral positions between left and right in general.