Virginity

[Mavorpen]

You should apply for a job to Conservapedia.

Too liberal.

I laughed. Thank you so much.

[Mavorpen]

No, Children Die in Abortions.

A biological child is a human being from birth to puberty.

Now we're done with the threadjack.

[North Calaveras]

virginity, a world familar with most of NS probably

:I Cats can't say no

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

No children die in abortion.
Also, you don't dictate what people do with their bodies.

No, Children Die in Abortions. I've already said I'm Pro-Life, you can look up every Abortion Thread in the last year and I can bet you I've debated on it. I do not dictate what people can do with their bodies, have sex if you want, be a virgin if you want, change your sex if you want, I don't really care. I draw the line when you think that your rights to bodily sovereignty override the rights to life of an innocent being. I am Pro-Life and many, many people have tried to convert me, they have all failed and this case is no different. I was stating my views on virginity, my views of virginity directly correspond to my views on abortion and contraception. Do anything to practice safe sex, or better yet, don't have sex at all. That way you can minimize the amount of abortions that take place. [/threadjack]

Nope. Bye.

[Euronion]

If you think that killing children and spreading painful sexual diseases as a good thing then yes, virginity is bad.

13 sexual partners.
No infections or diseases.
No pregnancies.
How?
Safe sex. Because it fucking works. Stop advocating abstinence and start advocating safe sex.

Condoms break, People Forget, People are Stupid. Safe Sex is the only 100% way to insure that STDs are not spread and that No Unwanted Pregnancies take place. If the first person to contract a strand of a certain STD didn't have sex with others (for example, if the man who contracted AIDS first did not have sex then the millions who have AIDS now and have suffered from it in the past would not have suffered at all)

[Mavorpen]

Nope. Bye.

I'm going to go have unsafe sex just to upset him. *nods*

[Mavorpen]

13 sexual partners.
No infections or diseases.
No pregnancies.
How?
Safe sex. Because it fucking works. Stop advocating abstinence and start advocating safe sex.

Condoms break, People Forget, People are Stupid. Safe Sex is the only 100% way to insure that STDs are not spread and that No Unwanted Pregnancies take place. If the first person to contract a strand of a certain STD didn't have sex with others (for example, if the man who contracted AIDS first did not have sex then the millions who have AIDS now and have suffered from it in the past would not have suffered at all)

Because he knew he had AIDS, amirite?

[Euronion]

No, Children Die in Abortions. I've already said I'm Pro-Life, you can look up every Abortion Thread in the last year and I can bet you I've debated on it. I do not dictate what people can do with their bodies, have sex if you want, be a virgin if you want, change your sex if you want, I don't really care. I draw the line when you think that your rights to bodily sovereignty override the rights to life of an innocent being. I am Pro-Life and many, many people have tried to convert me, they have all failed and this case is no different. I was stating my views on virginity, my views of virginity directly correspond to my views on abortion and contraception. Do anything to practice safe sex, or better yet, don't have sex at all. That way you can minimize the amount of abortions that take place. [/threadjack]

Nope. Bye.

You are free to disagree with me, but I am entitled to state my views just as you are entitled to state yours.

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it" -Voltaire

[Mavorpen]

You are free to disagree with me, but I am entitled to state my views just as you are entitled to state yours.

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it" -Voltaire

She didn't say ANYTHING about you not having the right to free speech.

[Euronion]

Condoms break, People Forget, People are Stupid. Safe Sex is the only 100% way to insure that STDs are not spread and that No Unwanted Pregnancies take place. If the first person to contract a strand of a certain STD didn't have sex with others (for example, if the man who contracted AIDS first did not have sex then the millions who have AIDS now and have suffered from it in the past would not have suffered at all)

Because he knew he had AIDS, amirite?

No, I'm merely saying that had chastity been a major value in Patient A and the persons who Patient A had sexual intercourse with, we may be looking at an AIDS epidemic of 4-6 people instead of the millions now present.

[Euronion]

You are free to disagree with me, but I am entitled to state my views just as you are entitled to state yours.

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it" -Voltaire

She didn't say ANYTHING about you not having the right to free speech.

I realize this. That was not the point of the post or of the quote's placement.

[Mavorpen]

No, I'm merely saying that had chastity been a major value in that person and the persons who Patient A had sexual intercourse with, we may be looking at an AIDS epidemic of 4-6 people instead of the millions now present.

Had be also been suicidal and killed himself, such a thing may not have happened. Not sure why the hell any of this shit matters.

[Trotskylvania]

So when do we get the balls where sons pledge their virginity to their mothers?

OH WAIT, I forgot, this whole thing has always been transparently misogynistic.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Because he knew he had AIDS, amirite?

No, I'm merely saying that had chastity been a major value in Patient A and the persons who Patient A had sexual intercourse with, we may be looking at an AIDS epidemic of 4-6 people instead of the millions now present.

>assuming only 1 person had AIDs
>assuming they didn't donate blood
>assuming there were no needles involved
>assuming the apparent only dude just had sex with 1000 people

[Euronion]

No, I'm merely saying that had chastity been a major value in that person and the persons who Patient A had sexual intercourse with, we may be looking at an AIDS epidemic of 4-6 people instead of the millions now present.

Had be also been suicidal and killed himself, such a thing may not have happened. Not sure why the hell any of this shit matters.

Had he committed suicide than no one would be infected, but that requires the ending of someone's life, most likely an innocent person. Chastity would assure that the millions infected with AIDS now would not be suffering, that, to me, matters.

[Avenio]

No, I'm merely saying that had chastity been a major value in that person and the persons who Patient A had sexual intercourse with, we may be looking at an AIDS epidemic of 4-6 people instead of the millions now present.

HIV is thought to have jumped the species barrier via the consumption of undercooked bushmeat (gorilla or chimpanzee meat). There may not have been a single index case (not 'Patient A', fyi), but multiple, and may have spread via anything from contaminated food to re-using hypodermic needles during vaccination campaigns, not just sexual contact.

[Mavorpen]

Had be also been suicidal and killed himself, such a thing may not have happened. Not sure why the hell any of this shit matters.

Had he committed suicide than no one would be infected, but that requires the ending of someone's life, most likely an innocent person. Chastity would assure that the millions infected with AIDS now would not be suffering, that, to me, matters.

Well it's too bad that your analysis isn't realistic.

By the way, we've tried chastity. We've tried to instill it into children, hoping they come out "pure" and refuse to have sex until marriage. It doesn't work.

[Occalgavia]

1. How much is "excess"?

However much any given individual judges it to be, on whatever basis they choose to decide.

2. Who defined how much "excess" is?

Anybody can.

3. Why does this subjective nonsense about "excess" make someone uncivilized?

I explained this; excess represents a lack of self-control which represents a deficiency as a human being. The notion is objective. The standard is subjective.
Now, that subjective standard could be useful, for instance, in informing a decision about whether or not to enter an intimate relationship with another individual. So, for instance, if somebody found that your having had sex with thirteen different people was excessive (and that's to say nothing else of what they might think), they could decide that you were unworthy as a sexual partner, and avoid you. At the very least, this would save the both of you some discomfort, I imagine. I cannot see much cause for complaint over somebody applying a subjective standard in a personal decision.

[Euronion]

No, I'm merely saying that had chastity been a major value in Patient A and the persons who Patient A had sexual intercourse with, we may be looking at an AIDS epidemic of 4-6 people instead of the millions now present.

>assuming only 1 person had AIDs
>assuming they didn't donate blood
>assuming there were no needles involved
>assuming the apparent only dude just had sex with 1000 people

That is how all diseases spread. The chances of a genetic mutation in a virus that would allow the virus to attack the immune system are astronomical, there was a Patient A. Yes, that is assuming they did not donate blood, also assuming no needles were involved. As for your last point, I'm not sure what the point of your last point was, but I said " . . .had chastity been a major value among Patient A and those Patient A has sex with . . ." In Health Class, my Health teacher told us that "you're not just having sex with a person, you are having sex with all the people that person had sex with before you." Had the people Patient A slept with only slept with their partner, or not at all, then AIDS Epidemic would not exist.

[Mavorpen]

I explained this; excess represents a lack of self-control which represents a deficiency as a human being. The notion is objective.

Actually, no. Engaging in "excess" sex doesn't represent a lack of self-control until you actively show that you cannot control yourself in the first place. If I like sex and engage in "excess" of it, but am able to show that I have the ability to control this behavior, then I have self-control, no matter how much "excess" sex that I have.

Also, am I to assume you've conceded on our other discussion about humans having more self control?

[Grand Hodyla]

we support that people under 18 do not have sex. but it your own choice and the goverment does not regulate peoples ideas

[Euronion]

Had he committed suicide than no one would be infected, but that requires the ending of someone's life, most likely an innocent person. Chastity would assure that the millions infected with AIDS now would not be suffering, that, to me, matters.

Well it's too bad that your analysis isn't realistic.

By the way, we've tried chastity. We've tried to instill it into children, hoping they come out "pure" and refuse to have sex until marriage. It doesn't work.

I'm not saying it works in a pragmatic fashion. If there is one thing I've learned in all my years studying history and through my experiences in High School and Middle School, it has been to never underestimate the horniness of the American Teenager. As I said, I was stating my views on virginity, virginity or chastity prevents or inhibits the spread of disease and also prevents unwanted Pregnancies from occurring. I did not in any context state that this is practical or that it should be tried. My Conclusion is that if Humans could be more like Vulcans . . .

[Avenio]

The chances of a genetic mutation in a virus that would allow the virus to attack the immune system are astronomical, there was a Patient A.

Simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), the ancestor to HIV, jumped the species barrier at least three times before the HIV epidemic began. Besides which, HIV is thought to have jumped the species barrier via the consumption of undercooked bushmeat (gorilla or chimpanzee meat). There may not have been a single index case (not 'Patient A', fyi), but multiple, and may have spread via anything from contaminated food to re-using hypodermic needles during vaccination campaigns, not just sexual contact.

Yes, that is assuming they did not donate blood, also assuming no needles were involved.

Which is a humongous and glaringly bad assumption indeed. Given the hygienic standards of many early vaccination campaign, it's extremely likely that the medical system in central Africa was involved in the early spread of HIV.

Had the people Patient A slept with only slept with their partner, or not at all, then AIDS Epidemic would not exist.

The index case for the modern HIV virus likely caught the virus from undercooked bushmeat and likely 'transmitted' it by giving others that bushmeat.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

1. How much is "excess"?

However much any given individual judges it to be, on whatever basis they choose to decide.

2. Who defined how much "excess" is?

Anybody can.

3. Why does this subjective nonsense about "excess" make someone uncivilized?

I explained this; excess represents a lack of self-control which represents a deficiency as a human being. The notion is objective. The standard is subjective.
Now, that subjective standard could be useful, for instance, in informing a decision about whether or not to enter an intimate relationship with another individual. So, for instance, if somebody found that your having had sex with thirteen different people was excessive (and that's to say nothing else of what they might think), they could decide that you were unworthy as a sexual partner, and avoid you. At the very least, this would save the both of you some discomfort, I imagine. I cannot see much cause for complaint over somebody applying a subjective standard in a personal decision.

Then I choose "excess" to mean 20 times a day.
Thus, I'm not having excess sex.
Therefore be silent.

[Mavorpen]

I'm not saying it works in a pragmatic fashion. If there is one thing I've learned in all my years studying history and through my experiences in High School and Middle School, it has been to never underestimate the horniness of the American Teenager. As I said, I was stating my views on virginity, virginity or chastity prevents or inhibits the spread of disease and also prevents unwanted Pregnancies from occurring. I did not in any context state that this is practical or that it should be tried. My Conclusion is that if Humans could be more like Vulcans . . .

No clue what a Vulcan is, nor do I think I want to be like them.