Virginity

[Seperates]

I fail to see how a lack of sex is all that big of a deal, when you can masturbate and feel just as good.

It doesn't feel as good. Masturbation, to me, has almost 0 pleasure. No satisfaction at all. It's like have a heroin addiction and taking the edge off by chewing gum.

I'm similar... only it's not so much the actual 'sex' part as it is the fore-play or cuddling afterward. I'm not the kind of person that likes to just do it and then get up and go about my day.

Oh, and I am male by the way... so this is completely opposite of the normal cultural stereotype.

[Mavorpen]

It doesn't feel as good. Masturbation, to me, has almost 0 pleasure. No satisfaction at all. It's like have a heroin addiction and taking the edge off by chewing gum.

I'm similar... only it's not so much the actual 'sex' part as it is the fore-play or cuddling afterward. I'm not the kind of person that likes to just do it and then get up and go about my day.

Oh, and I am male by the way... so this is completely opposite of the normal cultural stereotype.

I'm not the kind of person that does it in the first place.

I think I win.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

It doesn't feel as good. Masturbation, to me, has almost 0 pleasure. No satisfaction at all. It's like have a heroin addiction and taking the edge off by chewing gum.

I'm similar... only it's not so much the actual 'sex' part as it is the fore-play or cuddling afterward. I'm not the kind of person that likes to just do it and then get up and go about my day.

Oh, and I am male by the way... so this is completely opposite of the normal cultural stereotype.

I don't cuddle. For about ten minutes after having sex I want nothing more than a cigarette, a coffee, and a slice of bread. then i'm ready for round 2.

[Saiwania]

Thus, as far as "wants" go, it's pretty high up on the list - right there with modern shelter, running water, and electricity.

We all want nice things, but you can't always get what you want. Sometimes delayed satisfaction is necessary.

[Galloism]

Thus, as far as "wants" go, it's pretty high up on the list - right there with modern shelter, running water, and electricity.

We all want nice things, but you can't always get what you want. Sometimes delayed satisfaction is necessary.

Oh, sometimes you can't get what you want. I'm not arguing that we should have government supplied sexual partners.

Just saying that it's a pretty significant "want". Other people would call it a "need". I would call it a need, but I would call running water a "need", too.

[Manahakatouki]

I'm similar... only it's not so much the actual 'sex' part as it is the fore-play or cuddling afterward. I'm not the kind of person that likes to just do it and then get up and go about my day.

Oh, and I am male by the way... so this is completely opposite of the normal cultural stereotype.

I don't cuddle. For about ten minutes after having sex I want nothing more than a cigarette, a coffee, and a slice of bread. then i'm ready for round 2.

I guess we can definitely agree on the fact we like a slice of bread...

And sex of course...

[Karsland]

Being a virgin (not out of choice but respecting the desires of my ex's) i dont really see trying to make people obey it rather then educating them on how to be safe when they do rather backwards in a society thats supposed to be progressing. It's really up to the person though so we really shouldn't push either option over the others.

[Virachia]

I'm not anti- or pro-virginity, I think it's the woman's choice over what she wants to do with her body, and others shouldn't be able to make that decision. I mean, of course I would discourage 15-17 year olds from going out, having unprotected sex, and possibly getting pregnant or catching STDs, but once you are older and more mature, you should be able to make that choice. I think it is ridiculous, however, that some beliefs are still preaching abstinence to 20-somethings, even if they actually want kids.
Okay, I've finished my little rant. ;-)

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

Going through this thread from where I left off, I'm seeing a mistake in need of correction.
Several people are saying that masturbation is a replacement for sex.
That's actually not true.
I would quote the appropriate section from my Sexuality Today (10th edition), but I'm too lazy to go scrounge it up.
Research shows that masturbation usually continues on with the same frequency, regardless of access to sex, usually for the rest of the individual's life.
Masturbation is a creature all its own.

[Tsaraine]

Can we just agree that individual people will have differing opinions on what satisfies their googly bits, and return to the original topic? That being the existence of movements promoting virginity and/or the denigration of premarital sex et cetera?

[Seperates]

I'm similar... only it's not so much the actual 'sex' part as it is the fore-play or cuddling afterward. I'm not the kind of person that likes to just do it and then get up and go about my day.

Oh, and I am male by the way... so this is completely opposite of the normal cultural stereotype.

I don't cuddle. For about ten minutes after having sex I want nothing more than a cigarette, a coffee, and a slice of bread. then i'm ready for round 2.

If that's what's nessecery, I personally don't care. There just has to be an emotional attachment afterwards. For me, at least, it's more about that then anything else... Sex without emotion (some call it love, I call it passion, merely because love is overused) is merely masturbation to me.

That being said, if I distract my emotions elsewhere, I can more or less forget that I am currently, more or less by choice, lacking a partner... which was nessecery, albiet difficult.

[Seperates]

I'm similar... only it's not so much the actual 'sex' part as it is the fore-play or cuddling afterward. I'm not the kind of person that likes to just do it and then get up and go about my day.

Oh, and I am male by the way... so this is completely opposite of the normal cultural stereotype.

I'm not the kind of person that does it in the first place.

I think I win.

Perhaps... can't lose something if you've never had it to begin with, no?

[Mavorpen]

I'm not the kind of person that does it in the first place.

I think I win.

Perhaps... can't lose something if you've never had it to begin with, no?

Wait, what am I losing?

[Viritica]

The book is unhealthy shit. It needs to be salted and burned.

/thread

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I don't cuddle. For about ten minutes after having sex I want nothing more than a cigarette, a coffee, and a slice of bread. then i'm ready for round 2.

If that's what's nessecery, I personally don't care. There just has to be an emotional attachment afterwards. For me, at least, it's more about that then anything else... Sex without emotion (some call it love, I call it passion, merely because love is overused) is merely masturbation to me.

That being said, if I distract my emotions elsewhere, I can more or less forget that I am currently, more or less by choice, lacking a partner... which was nessecery, albiet difficult.

I've never had sex with someone I cared much for, so I couldn't say.

[Seperates]

Perhaps... can't lose something if you've never had it to begin with, no?

Wait, what am I losing?

Nothing.

[Seperates]

If that's what's nessecery, I personally don't care. There just has to be an emotional attachment afterwards. For me, at least, it's more about that then anything else... Sex without emotion (some call it love, I call it passion, merely because love is overused) is merely masturbation to me.

That being said, if I distract my emotions elsewhere, I can more or less forget that I am currently, more or less by choice, lacking a partner... which was nessecery, albiet difficult.

I've never had sex with someone I cared much for, so I couldn't say.

Shame. Provided you can seperate the physical, mental, and emotional categories not mix them all up into a cesspool of over-expectation... it's quite enjoyable.

[Quintium]

If you check the birth ratio's, in the UK it's 1052 males for every 1000 females.
Well within the statistically negligable boundary.

That's not at all negligable. On a million women, that's 52,000 men. That's a small city (extremely close to the population of the town I live in) of excess men, apparently, for every million women. And to bring us back on the topic, that's why female virginity is valued while male virginity isn't; women have a limited capacity for having children, and are therefore expected to select the best partner to have children with. Failing to do so is considered bad for the group, since it infers there's a chance of inferior genetic material surviving. Men are the expendable sex, and are therefore driven to prove themselves. If they manage to, their social standing improves. That's why male virgins are ridiculed - by admitting to that, they automatically lower their social standing.

Basically, women are rewarded for being picky (= selecting the best partner to have children with), and men are rewarded for succeeding to convince women to have sex (= show willingness to have a baby in terms of instinct).

[Avenio]

The point is, the supply and demand isn't quite as large an issue as you're making it out to be.

I'd say a 117:100 sex ratio in singles aged 25-34 nationwide is a big issue. Something I've also heard, and I'll look into that tomorrow, is that 15% of the male population anywhere is considered 'omega', or completely without luck, meaning they will barely be able to have one sexual partner in their life without paying. And unfortunately, I'm part of the expendable part of the expendable sex.

Protip: the whole 'omega'/'alpha'/whatever system of social hierarchy doesn't exist in humans. Also, evolutionary psychology is bad and you should feel bad.

[Occalgavia]

So in the face of being wrong, you changed your argument from being, "the ability to suppress impulse makes us human" (in other words, other species cannot suppress impulses) to "adult humans exhibit more self-control."

Just like a professional athlete's ability to run makes him noteworthy.
Oh, but that would mean that nobody other than a professional athlete is able to run, right?
My two statements are not contradictory. The latter was an elaboration on the former.

Great job. You've shown your ability to dodge being wrong.

Not hard to do that when you're right.

Also, still waiting for your source that humans exhibit more self control.

We humans have much more self-discipline than other animals.

Self-control constitutes a fundamental aspect of human nature.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So in the face of being wrong, you changed your argument from being, "the ability to suppress impulse makes us human" (in other words, other species cannot suppress impulses) to "adult humans exhibit more self-control."

Just like a professional athlete's ability to run makes him noteworthy.
Oh, but that would mean that nobody other than a professional athlete is able to run, right?
My two statements are not contradictory. The latter was an elaboration on the former.

Great job. You've shown your ability to dodge being wrong.

Not hard to do that when you're right.

Also, still waiting for your source that humans exhibit more self control.

We humans have much more self-discipline than other animals.

Self-control constitutes a fundamental aspect of human nature.

Still haven't explained why not having sex makes us civilized.

[Condunum]

I fail to see how a lack of sex is all that big of a deal, when you can masturbate and feel just as good.

It doesn't feel as good. Masturbation, to me, has almost 0 pleasure. No satisfaction at all. It's like have a heroin addiction and taking the edge off by chewing gum.

So it's like how it is for Men, for you? masturbation for men isn't so much pleasurable as it is a release of sexual tension. That in itself is gratifying, but... Boring?

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

It doesn't feel as good. Masturbation, to me, has almost 0 pleasure. No satisfaction at all. It's like have a heroin addiction and taking the edge off by chewing gum.

So it's like how it is for Men, for you? masturbation for men isn't so much pleasurable as it is a release of sexual tension. That in itself is gratifying, but... Boring?

please don't generalize like that :I
I throughly enjoy it

[Condunum]

So it's like how it is for Men, for you? masturbation for men isn't so much pleasurable as it is a release of sexual tension. That in itself is gratifying, but... Boring?

please don't generalize like that :I
I throughly enjoy it

Considering that well over half of men will admit, probably with some reluctance, that Masturbation brings little pleasure past the release of sexual tension, myself included, it's not really a generalization. It's just the common denominator.

[Mavorpen]

Just like a professional athlete's ability to run makes him noteworthy.
Oh, but that would mean that nobody other than a professional athlete is able to run, right?
My two statements are not contradictory. The latter was an elaboration on the former.

Except no, this analogy is just plain false. You stated that humans are humans because they have self control, period. You didn't say they are "special" because they have "more" self control. You blatantly said that animals don't have self control. Your claim was wrong.

Great job. You've shown your ability to dodge being wrong.

Not hard to do that when you're right.

We humans have much more self-discipline than other animals.

New research is now suggesting a much more primitive explanation for our powers of self-discipline—one that brings us down a notch or two
in the animal kingdom. Indeed, it appears that, even with our lofty goals, we may rely on the same basic biological mechanism for self-discipline as our four-legged best friends.

Executive powers? In old Shep? These findings suggest that self-control may not be a crowning psychological achievement of humanity, and indeed may have nothing to do with self-awareness. It may simply be biology—and beastly biology at that.

So we’re not unique—at least not in this regard. It appears that hallmark sense of human identity—our selfhood—is not a prerequisite for self-discipline.

Self-control constitutes a fundamental aspect of human nature.

Which doesn't state that other species doesn't have self-control.

Yet there is reason to believe that human and nonhuman self-control processes rely on the same biological mechanism—the availability of glucose in the bloodstream.

Great job giving me sources proving me right.