Virginity

[Zottistan]

Most sluts don't get STDs or need abortions. And if they get STDs, well tough shit. They have their rights, and if they abuse them, let them suffer. As for abortion... I'm not getting into that now. I haven't had my coffee yet.

Wait. You're not spreading Dead Foeti Jam on your toast for breakfast?

No, I don't like the aftertaste.

[Ostroeuropa]

To put this into some perspective, the most common std's are now entirely curable.
(Though if for some reason you are forced into a posistion where you have to PICK an STD, go with syphillis. One injection as opposed to...The Claw)

The big one (teh aids...) is transfered primarily through means OTHER THAN SEX if you look at the global statistics.
(Inheritance / Needle use) and it too will likely be curable within our life time, leaving the biggest threat from rampant unprotected sex to be...

Herpes. Which while sucky, is hardly dangerous

[Zottistan]

To put this into some perspective, the most common std's are now entirely curable.
(Though if for some reason you are forced into a posistion where you have to PICK an STD, go with syphillis. One injection as opposed to...The Claw)

The big one (teh aids...) is transfered primarily through means OTHER THAN SEX if you look at the global statistics.
(Inheritance / Needle use) and it too will likely be curable within our life time, leaving the biggest threat from rampant unprotected sex to be...

Herpes. Which while sucky, is hardly dangerous

And if House science teaches us anything, could potentionally treat cancers.

[Mavorpen]

To put this into some perspective, the two most common std's are now entirely curable.

The big one (teh aids...) is transfered primarily through means OTHER THAN SEX if you look at the global statistics.
(Inheritance / Needle use) and it too will likely be curable within our life time.

Which is why we need to stop saying, "Abstinence is 100% effective at preventing STD transmission." Because what these sources really mean is that it's 100% effective at preventing it by means of actually engaging in sexual intercourse. Even then though, because people have conflicting views on what constitutes abstinence, promoting it isn't going to really help.

[Zweite Alaje]

How so? We "prudes" aren't the ones getting STDs and needing abortions due to not being able to keep it in our pants. Having sex outside of a longterm relationship such as marriage is reckless, irresponsible, and dangerous.

Married women get the overwhelming majority of abortions. BAN SEX IN MARRIAGE!!!

I think I'm gonna hurl, those women don't deserve the title of "mother".

[Mavorpen]

Married women get the overwhelming majority of abortions. BAN SEX IN MARRIAGE!!!

I think I'm gonna hurl, those women don't deserve the title of "mother".

So you admit that sex inside of marriage would be considered more reckless and irresponsible under your own logic?

[Zottistan]

Married women get the overwhelming majority of abortions. BAN SEX IN MARRIAGE!!!

I think I'm gonna hurl, those women don't deserve the title of "mother".

You keep saying these people are doing disgusting things, but I've yet to see a reason why.

[Zweite Alaje]

I think I'm gonna hurl, those women don't deserve the title of "mother".

So you admit that sex inside of marriage would be considered more reckless and irresponsible under your own logic?

I'd still rather people have sex within marriage, as it still provides a more stable environment for a child if one is conceived. Tough choice, but I'm still a proponent of marriage even in the face of....increased abortion rates....

[Mavorpen]

So you admit that sex inside of marriage would be considered more reckless and irresponsible under your own logic?

I'd still rather people have sex within marriage, as it still provides a more stable environment for a child if one is conceived. Tough choice, but I'm still a proponent of marriage even in the face of....increased abortion rates....

Unless you're economically disadvantaged, it really doesn't matter if you're married or not.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'd still rather people have sex within marriage, as it still provides a more stable environment for a child if one is conceived. Tough choice, but I'm still a proponent of marriage even in the face of....increased abortion rates....

Unless you're economically disadvantaged, it really doesn't matter if you're married or not.

This. When you control for income, marriage stability is a total myth.
Marriage is something people do when they are slightly more well off.
And unless you are going to argue that the marriage causes the money which causes the stability, then marriage is unrelated to stability.

[Laerod]

No, prudes should be shamed.

How so? We "prudes" aren't the ones getting STDs and needing abortions due to not being able to keep it in our pants.

Uh, yes you are...

[Zweite Alaje]

I'd still rather people have sex within marriage, as it still provides a more stable environment for a child if one is conceived. Tough choice, but I'm still a proponent of marriage even in the face of....increased abortion rates....

Unless you're economically disadvantaged, it really doesn't matter if you're married or not.

Marriage is at least a bit more stable.

[Mavorpen]

Unless you're economically disadvantaged, it really doesn't matter if you're married or not.

Marriage is at least a bit more stable.

With a 50% divorce rate, nope.

[Ostroeuropa]

Unless you're economically disadvantaged, it really doesn't matter if you're married or not.

Marriage is at least a bit more stable.

No, it isn't.
Find a source to back up your claim.

[Zweite Alaje]

How so? We "prudes" aren't the ones getting STDs and needing abortions due to not being able to keep it in our pants.

Uh, yes you are...

How if we don't have sex, smart guy?

[Risottia]

Marriage is at least a bit more stable.

With the divorce rate and the huge lot of cheating spouses, I'd say no.

Marriage does not equal monogamy, you know.

[Ostroeuropa]

Uh, yes you are...

How if we don't have sex, smart guy?

Prudes have sex.
Terrible, awful sex.
With one partner maximum.
And you have to have the lights off. So yeh, STD rates are comparable, and abortion rates are higher in marriage.

[Mavorpen]

Uh, yes you are...

How if we don't have sex, smart guy?

Rape, and sharing needles, kissing, etc.

[Risottia]

How if we don't have sex, smart guy?

Prudes have sex.
Terrible, awful sex.
With one partner maximum.
And you have to have the lights off.

Well, no. Actually, prudes have generally horrible, awful sex with their spouse. Then they have a lot of wonderful, mindless sex around with lovers, prostitutes and whatnot - but they lie and say they didn't.

[Zottistan]

Prudes have sex.
Terrible, awful sex.
With one partner maximum.
And you have to have the lights off.

Well, no. Actually, prudes have generally horrible, awful sex with their spouse. Then they have a lot of wonderful, mindless sex around with lovers, prostitutes and whatnot - but they lie and say they didn't.

I'm sure more than a few have deep, meaningful sex with their spouse and just feel that others should do the same...

But that's not their judgement to make.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well, no. Actually, prudes have generally horrible, awful sex with their spouse. Then they have a lot of wonderful, mindless sex around with lovers, prostitutes and whatnot - but they lie and say they didn't.

I'm sure more than a few have deep, meaningful sex with their spouse and just feel that others should do the same...

But that's not their judgement to make.

I don't sleep around. Typically I have a partner. But I'm not a prude, because I don't think I should only ever have one partner max.

[Laerod]

Uh, yes you are...

How if we don't have sex, smart guy?

Well, for one, certain diseases are transmitted by other ways as well. The rates have gone done through decent hygiene, but you can say the same for STDs transmitted via sexual intercourse, so that's not much of a defense. Similarly, saving oneself for marriage doesn't protect against a cheating spouse. There was one prominent NSer that remained faithful and got an STD from her husband, for example. And let's not forget DesJarlais, the consistent pro-lifer that got his ex-wife an abortion and tried to bully one of his affairs into getting one as well.

You can protect yourself from getting STDs via sex. There's no 100% failproof protection from STDs, but then again, the same goes for abstinence. Overall the problem isn't sleeping around, it's doing it carelessly or in a way that hurts other people. So stop it with your holier-than-thou attitude.

[Zottistan]

I'm sure more than a few have deep, meaningful sex with their spouse and just feel that others should do the same...

But that's not their judgement to make.

I don't sleep around. Typically I have a partner. But I'm not a prude, because I don't think I should only ever have one partner max.

I don't see what you're getting at. I never said you had to be a prude to have deep, meaningful sex.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't sleep around. Typically I have a partner. But I'm not a prude, because I don't think I should only ever have one partner max.

I don't see what you're getting at. I never said you had to be a prude to have deep, meaningful sex.

I'm just saying I don't see how it can be deep or meaningful without context. Without anything to compare it to etc.

[Zottistan]

I don't see what you're getting at. I never said you had to be a prude to have deep, meaningful sex.

I'm just saying I don't see how it can be deep or meaningful without context. Without anything to compare it to etc.

So, having a first child can't be meaningful?