Roman Catholic Priests to be violated in Australia

[Nidaria]

Religious and moral law trumps civil law. This is a clear persecution of the Aztec Church.

(Fixed.)
Now, justify why you are against human sacrifice.

The Aztec religion was savage and was thankfully destroyed. Not all religions are the same.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ok great.
This is an outcome i'm fine with.

I was not arguing they will not be punished.

God never once mentions any seal of confessional in the Bible, while he does speak against abusing children.

Yet, a number of Catholic Priests have had no problem breaking the latter, and the Church Higher Ups have had no problem protecting those priests.

But Pope has, and His Holiness is the method, through which the will of God is revealed.

Popes contradict eachother all the time when it's convinient to do so.

[Ostroeuropa]

(Fixed.)
Now, justify why you are against human sacrifice.

The Aztec religion was savage and was thankfully destroyed. Not all religions are the same.

Why is yours different?
I can just declare catholicism savage too. And it is.

[Nidaria]

I was not arguing they will not be punished.



But Pope has, and His Holiness is the method, through which the will of God is revealed.

Popes contradict eachother all the time when it's convinient to do so.

Prove it, because what you say is not true.

[Ostroeuropa]

Popes contradict eachother all the time when it's convinient to do so.

Prove it, because what you say is not true.

Condoms? They are now ok if you have aids.

[Northwest Slobovia]

I don't see how a club's rulebook should dictate what the law of a nation should be.
Your club is not special.

They will not conform with the law under any circumstance. They will be civilly disobedient; they will break the law, be tortured, humiliated, ruined, and executed before disclosing the confession.

Nah, we're civilized people. But they and their pedo clubs will be sued and broken on the rack of civil litigation. They can claim they've been persecuted, but no civilized person will care.

[Great Nepal]

They will not disclose it or violate the Seal of the Confessional under any circumstances.

They will face a punishment, if one is imposed; that is rather obvious.

I am quoting this.
I will send you TG you when it happens and it is in news.

Murdering =/= Disclosing information.
In words: Murder is not an analog to violating the Seal.

They are protecting people who have committed heinous crime. Okay, perhaps it is not in same level but both of them are wrong.

[Nidaria]

The Aztec religion was savage and was thankfully destroyed. Not all religions are the same.

Why is yours different?
I can just declare catholicism savage too. And it is.

Your beliefs are savage. The Catholic Church is the pinnacle of civilization.

[Abatael]

Religious and moral law trumps civil law. This is a clear persecution of the Catholic Church.

Have you stumbled on time machine around fifteenth century?
This is twenty first century, we trend to do things differently around here than in your century.

It does not matter what laws have been instated by the secular state. In every circumstance, the law of God outweighs the law of the secular state.

You may not follow the law of God, and you may feel it is not important.

[Revolutopia]

But Pope has, and His Holiness is the method, through which the will of God is revealed.

God > The Pope

God, himself, spoke of the need to protect children yet Priests have no problem breaking that command.

Also, the Pope is a joke with only the same holiness of a mafia don.

[Ostroeuropa]

Popes contradict eachother all the time when it's convinient to do so.

Prove it, because what you say is not true.

Oh also:
Pope Clement XIV condemned the Jesuits in 1773, but Pope Pius VII favored them again in 1814.

[Abatael]

Prove it, because what you say is not true.

Condoms? They are now ok if you have aids.

The Church still does not approve of condoms. Their usage is still condemned.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why is yours different?
I can just declare catholicism savage too. And it is.

Your beliefs are savage. The Catholic Church is the pinnacle of civilization.

So you have absolutely no evidence for your claim and are just declaring things as though they were true.
Ok. We now know your opinion and you clearly have nothing to add to the discussion, so go away.

[Nidaria]

But Pope has, and His Holiness is the method, through which the will of God is revealed.

God > The Pope

God, himself, spoke of the need to protect children yet Priests have no problem breaking that command.

Also, the Pope is a joke with only the same holiness of a mafia don.

Said priests are unworthy of their office and break the laws of both God and the Church.
Also, ad hominem.

[Great Nepal]

Have you stumbled on time machine around fifteenth century?
This is twenty first century, we trend to do things differently around here than in your century.

It does not matter what laws have been instated by the secular state. In every circumstance, the law of God outweighs the law of the secular state.

You may not follow the law of God, and you may feel it is not important.

No, it doesn't.
In this century, we have accepted supremacy of state whose authority is derived from consent of people; quite move from supremacy of some ancient dude.

[Ostroeuropa]

Condoms? They are now ok if you have aids.

The Church still does not approve of condoms. Their usage is still condemned.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/2 ... umstances/

You are out of date.
ZOMG REVELATION U GUYS!

We're TOTES not making this up as we go along! God told me it's ok!

[Revolutopia]

God > The Pope

God, himself, spoke of the need to protect children yet Priests have no problem breaking that command.

Also, the Pope is a joke with only the same holiness of a mafia don.

Said priests are unworthy of their office and break the laws of both God and the Church.
Also, ad hominem.

If they are unworthy of their office, then why does the Pope and Bishops protect them over children?

edit: Yeah, that was an ad hominem as some Mafia Dons have some respectability.

[Nidaria]

Prove it, because what you say is not true.

Oh also:
Pope Clement XIV condemned the Jesuits in 1773, but Pope Pius VII favored them again in 1814.

If you read your history, you would know that the Jesuit Order was suppressed because of pressure from a civil power. Pope Clement XIV said on his deathbed "I have cut off my right hand." Also, the Jesuit Order is not a doctrine or moral law.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh also:
Pope Clement XIV condemned the Jesuits in 1773, but Pope Pius VII favored them again in 1814.

If you read your history, you would know that the Jesuit Order was suppressed because of pressure from a civil power. Pope Clement XIV said on his deathbed "I have cut off my right hand." Also, the Jesuit Order is not a doctrine or moral law.

So i'll just go to the condoms again then.
Or you know, the whole "Jews murdered jeebus" thing.
Or slavery.
Or Fascism.
Or Naziism

[L Ron Cupboard]

Your beliefs are savage. The Catholic Church is the pinnacle of civilization.

Well perhaps it should stop sticking that pinnacle into children.

[Abatael]

They will not disclose it or violate the Seal of the Confessional under any circumstances.

They will face a punishment, if one is imposed; that is rather obvious.

I am quoting this.
I will send you TG you when it happens and it is in news.

You'll be waiting until your death.

Murdering =/= Disclosing information.
In words: Murder is not an analog to violating the Seal.

They are protecting people who have committed heinous crime. Okay, perhaps it is not in same level but both of them are wrong.

Yes, both violating the Seal and murdering someone is wrong, but, regardless, they are not equal.

[Nidaria]

It does not matter what laws have been instated by the secular state. In every circumstance, the law of God outweighs the law of the secular state.

You may not follow the law of God, and you may feel it is not important.

No, it doesn't.
In this century, we have accepted supremacy of state whose authority is derived from consent of people; quite move from supremacy of some ancient dude.

The Church exists in a different sphere than the State. Each cannot interfere with the other. Also, "consent of people" is not absolute.

[Ostroeuropa]

I am quoting this.
I will send you TG you when it happens and it is in news.

You'll be waiting until your death.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=20
They are protecting people who have committed heinous crime. Okay, perhaps it is not in same level but both of them are wrong.

Yes, both violating the Seal and murdering someone is wrong, but, regardless, they are not equal.

It's funny to see a christian argue for differing degrees of wrongness.
What about the one-size-fits all hell?

[Ostroeuropa]

No, it doesn't.
In this century, we have accepted supremacy of state whose authority is derived from consent of people; quite move from supremacy of some ancient dude.

The Church exists in a different sphere than the State. Each cannot interfere with the other. Also, "consent of people" is not absolute.

This is also an argument that can be used for human sacrifice.

[Nidaria]

You'll be waiting until your death.



Yes, both violating the Seal and murdering someone is wrong, but, regardless, they are not equal.

It's funny to see a christian argue for differing degrees of wrongness.
What about the one-size-fits all hell?

Crimes all have differing degrees of immorality, but past a certain point one is thrown into eternal punishment.