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Who was the worst US president in the 20th and 21st centuries?

Woodrow Wilson
35
6%
Herbert Hoover
60
10%
JFK
11
2%
LBJ
16
3%
Nixon
39
6%
Ford
5
1%
Carter
37
6%
George W Bush
256
41%
Obama
96
16%
other (explain below)
62
10%
 
Total votes : 617

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Postby Maurepas » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:45 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Edward Richtofen wrote:wilson needs more votes
he caused ww2 (dont get into a massive argument) by not being more forgiving to germany and by not punishing Austria
i know that britain and france were at versillas but if wilson was more forgiving the weak leaders of britain and france would have bent greatly

Wilson was a bad president, but he only went along with England and France in severely punishing Germany in exchange for getting his way in self-determination (which destroyed the Austrian Empire) and the League of Nations.

Wilson was a good President, his plan for the League of Nations was his plan to stop WWI from happening again, and he came up with it after the fact. He in fact did his best to stay out of the war, but continual attacks on American merchant ships forced his hand. Rather like the War of 1812, the US wouldn't've gotten involved had Britain not kept the US from trading with France. Not that it was necessarily in the wrong to do so, nor Germany for that matter, but from the American point of view her ships were being attacked.

Unfortunately, the Republicans sabotaged the League from the beginning by keeping the US out of it, and on top of that Britain and France saddled Germany with an outrageous debt after the war. Wilson argued against both of those things, and had he gotten his way, WWII may have been prevented.

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Postby The Royal Australian Republic » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:49 pm

Obama, by far, nobody even compares.

And Wilson shredded the first amedment by arresting thousands of people for protesting the First World War.
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Postby GCMG » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:54 pm

Maurepas wrote:Unfortunately, the Republicans sabotaged the League from the beginning by keeping the US out of it, and on top of that Britain and France saddled Germany with an outrageous debt after the war. Wilson argued against both of those things, and had he gotten his way, WWII may have been prevented.


On the other hand, who was saddling Britain and France with enormous debts? Yes. Basically there's a diagram, Germany pays Britain and France who pay the US who loans money to Germany who pays Britain and France...
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Postby New Vinland » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:05 pm

I had to choose "W". Had it been just 20th century, I would have selected Herbert Hoover.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:07 pm

The Royal Australian Republic wrote:Obama, by far, nobody even compares.

And Wilson shredded the first amedment by arresting thousands of people for protesting the First World War.

Please, explain to me how Obama is worse than his predecessor, or any other president in the last hundred or so years.

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Postby Altaiire » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:13 pm

I'm going to have to say Warren Harding, mainly due to the avalanche of scandals in his administration.
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Postby Scythian Nation » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:29 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Scythian Nation wrote:I believe Obama is the worst U.S. President in the 20th and 21st centuries because he not only endorced the Bush policies of using the fear of international terrorism to radically expand executive power, he expanded those policies further by claiming the power not merely to detain citizens without judicial review but to assassinate them without due process. ;)

You would, of course, be incorrect in that assessment. ;)


In the 2004 Supreme Court case of Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, eight of the nine justices of the Court agreed that the Executive Branch does not have the power to hold indefinitely a U.S. citizen without basic due process protections enforceable through judicial review. Victims of targeted assassinations, including US citizens, are secretly stripped of their right to due process and are arbitrarily deprived of their life, in violation of international human rights law. Huffpost, 19 November 2012.

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Postby The Royal Australian Republic » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:32 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Royal Australian Republic wrote:Obama, by far, nobody even compares.

And Wilson shredded the first amedment by arresting thousands of people for protesting the First World War.

Please, explain to me how Obama is worse than his predecessor, or any other president in the last hundred or so years.


Obama has more debt than all of his predecessors combined, he stood by and watched four Americans be slaughtered, his administration refuses to implement the Keystone pipeline, he increased Welfare greatly (he just forgot that 95% of the people are lazy and won't go out and get a job), Obamacare, he's insulted our allies (espicially Israel), he has allowed Iran to gain greatly towards nuclear weapons, ripped off millions with the GM bailout, and gas prices have gone up greatly. Just to name a few.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:45 pm

The Royal Australian Republic wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Please, explain to me how Obama is worse than his predecessor, or any other president in the last hundred or so years.


Obama has more debt than all of his predecessors combined1, he stood by and watched four Americans be slaughtered2, his administration refuses to implement the Keystone pipeline3, he increased Welfare greatly (he just forgot that 95% of the people are lazy and won't go out and get a job)4, Obamacare5, he's insulted our allies (espicially Israel)6, he has allowed Iran to gain greatly towards nuclear weapons7, ripped off millions with the GM bailout8, and gas prices have gone up greatly9. Just to name a few.

1 Uh-huh...
2 Which Americans? And how is this worse than sending upwards of ten thousand Americans to die in the Middle East?
3 The pipeline that Obama OK'd in Cushing, Oklahoma? That pipeline?
4 I want sources for that percentage in triplicate.
5 What about it?
6 What other allies has he "insulted", and how?
7 Iran does not have nuclear weapons, nor will they ever likely get access to nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future. This has nothing to do with Obama anyway.
8 You mean the bailout that essentially saved the auto industry and protected thousands upon thousands of jobs? That bailout?
9 Nothing to do with Obama.

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Postby Acro » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:51 pm

Jimmy Carter did ok until the Iran thing, then stuff went down hil, Nixon was a lieing dirtbag. Bush inplimanted the So called "Patriot Act" but Hoover takes it. Great depression anyone :P
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Postby Acro » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:52 pm

Scythian Nation wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You would, of course, be incorrect in that assessment. ;)


In the 2004 Supreme Court case of Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, eight of the nine justices of the Court agreed that the Executive Branch does not have the power to hold indefinitely a U.S. citizen without basic due process protections enforceable through judicial review. Victims of targeted assassinations, including US citizens, are secretly stripped of their right to due process and are arbitrarily deprived of their life, in violation of international human rights law. Huffpost, 19 November 2012.



Did u forget that Bush was the one to pass that act? Should obama repeal it, yes. But Bush passed it
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Postby The Royal Australian Republic » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:04 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Royal Australian Republic wrote:
Obama has more debt than all of his predecessors combined1, he stood by and watched four Americans be slaughtered2, his administration refuses to implement the Keystone pipeline3, he increased Welfare greatly (he just forgot that 95% of the people are lazy and won't go out and get a job)4, Obamacare5, he's insulted our allies (espicially Israel)6, he has allowed Iran to gain greatly towards nuclear weapons7, ripped off millions with the GM bailout8, and gas prices have gone up greatly9. Just to name a few.

1 Uh-huh...
2 Which Americans? And how is this worse than sending upwards of ten thousand Americans to die in the Middle East?
3 The pipeline that Obama OK'd in Cushing, Oklahoma? That pipeline?
4 I want sources for that percentage in triplicate.
5 What about it?
6 What other allies has he "insulted", and how?
7 Iran does not have nuclear weapons, nor will they ever likely get access to nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future. This has nothing to do with Obama anyway.
8 You mean the bailout that essentially saved the auto industry and protected thousands upon thousands of jobs? That bailout?
9 Nothing to do with Obama.



1. We went from about $10 Trillion dollars in debt to $16 Trillion
2. The ones in Libya, he had the ablility to send help but he didn't; are you saying that we should have let Al Qaeda go?
3. The Keystone pipeline from Canada
4. If you want proof, just go to any government housing facility and count how many flat screen TVs they have, check this video out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio, shouldn't she have been looking for a job or maybe buying food instead of a cellphone?
5. Government healthcare that makes it practically impossible to own private healthcare, Great!
6. Israel, the UK, our two biggest allies; Israel- skipped over on his visit to the middle east, told them to "give back the Golan Heights", instead of meeting with prime minister Netanyahu about Iran, he went on a talk show with the "Pimp with a Limp," hasn't drawn a line in the sand for Iran; UK- gave back Churchill bust the British gave us to honor the victims of 9/11, hasn't been active with relations
7. Iran has gotten a lot closer to WMDs, just ask Israel; it is called foreign policy, a job for the President
8. The bailout that ripped off millions, for every $1,000 a bondholder invested, they got back $20 (if a company went out of business before, they sold their company off and bondholders got back about 60-70% of their money)
9. The Keystone pipeline could drop prices drastically
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Postby Chefdevergia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:05 pm

Altaiire wrote:I'm going to have to say Warren Harding, mainly due to the avalanche of scandals in his administration.



Harding is a tricky one. On the one hand, you have a man who was as ill-equipped for the job as anyone who has ever served. And there are all of the scandals. On the other hand, his term didn't even last 29 months. He didn't do any real damage to the country when all was said and done. Should level of competence or lasting damage be the standard?

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Postby Totalise » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:18 pm

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Totalise wrote:i say FDR his economic polocies mad a bad economic depression worse. his "new deal" was a "new faliure", the only thing that he did right was to declare war on japan and even then congress broke procedure to do it as Rankin (congress woman from montana) voted no and they brushed her aside instead of going by the numbers which would have allowed her to make her case against such a decleration. FDR was the first and only american monarch (12 years in office), he became president with isolationist policies as his platform and then started selling guns and material to the brits putting american sailors in harms way just as willson did 20 years before. his administration knew about pearl harbor several days in advance ect.

The ignorance is overwhelming.

so ignoracne in saying that one of americas "greatest" presidents was a poor example of a president and that his policies lead to american involvment in histories bloodiest war. how his attempt at emulating Hitler and mussolini didn't work, that by printing more money and takeing the U.S off the gold standard he made a bad economic depression worse, he spent money that the country didn't have. he tried to spend his way out of the depression putting the country deeper in dubt. he was no where near as great a president as most americans think he was.
and to add insult to injury during a vist by the prince of england and his wife he served them hot-dogs.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:36 pm

Totalise wrote:
Divair wrote:The ignorance is overwhelming.

so ignoracne in saying that one of americas "greatest" presidents was a poor example of a president and that his policies lead to american involvment in histories bloodiest war. how his attempt at emulating Hitler and mussolini didn't work, that by printing more money and takeing the U.S off the gold standard he made a bad economic depression worse, he spent money that the country didn't have. he tried to spend his way out of the depression putting the country deeper in dubt. he was no where near as great a president as most americans think he was.
and to add insult to injury during a vist by the prince of england and his wife he served them hot-dogs.


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Postby Silent Majority » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:38 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
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There are plenty of things to criticize FDR for, but making the economy weak is not one of them.


He didn't really strengthen it. WW2 and us emerging out of the war as the only country that wasn't bombed to smithereens is why the economy was "stronger."


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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:45 pm

Totalise wrote:and to add insult to injury during a vist by the prince of england and his wife he served them hot-dogs.


I suddenly like him even better. Never let 'em forget who won that war: British royalty can eat hot-dogs or not eat at all!
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Postby Arkinesia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:56 pm

The Rich Port wrote:Reagan, Bush Jr., Ulysses S. Grant, Hoover, Nixon...

I don't know which one is the worst, but I do know they're all Republicans. 8)

Ah, but seriously, I'm sure there's plenty of bad Democrat presidents...

I can't think of one NOW, but I'm sure there are.

LBJ was pretty rotten, and Wilson kinda blew.
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Postby Kingdom of the Polar Bear » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:59 pm

George W Bush, Hands down the worst President in the 20 and 21 centuries.
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Postby The Royal Australian Republic » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:00 pm

Kingdom of the Polar Bear wrote:George W Bush, Hands down the worst President in the 20 and 21 centuries.


Have you seen Obama? Check above for my recent posts. :eyebrow:

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Postby New Vinland » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:02 pm

Altaiire wrote:I'm going to have to say Warren Harding, mainly due to the avalanche of scandals in his administration.

You are so right! I cannot believe that I forgot about all that. I guess that it's because I generally prefer European history over US history. :blush:
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Postby Smokajeria » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:03 pm

The Royal Australian Republic wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Please, explain to me how Obama is worse than his predecessor, or any other president in the last hundred or so years.


Obama has more debt than all of his predecessors combined, he stood by and watched four Americans be slaughtered, his administration refuses to implement the Keystone pipeline, he increased Welfare greatly (he just forgot that 95% of the people are lazy and won't go out and get a job), Obamacare, he's insulted our allies (espicially Israel), he has allowed Iran to gain greatly towards nuclear weapons, ripped off millions with the GM bailout, and gas prices have gone up greatly. Just to name a few.


Correction. Obama "has" 6 trillion of debt. His predecessors dating back to Andrew Jackson "have" a combined total of 10 trillion. Obama does however, have the singular distinction of having presided over 6 trillion of deficit spending in only four years, which is greater than any singular president despite not having finished his first term. I voted for him, and I nearly didn't because of my dislike of his deficit spending. You have to right to oppose him, as long as you get your math straight. Everybody has a right to be wrong in his opinions, but not his facts.

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Postby Nea So Copros » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:05 pm

Warren G Harding, plain and simple. Or maybe Andrew Jackson for undermining the authority of the Supreme Court by directly disobeying them.

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Postby Smokajeria » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:06 pm

The Royal Australian Republic wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:1 Uh-huh...
2 Which Americans? And how is this worse than sending upwards of ten thousand Americans to die in the Middle East?
3 The pipeline that Obama OK'd in Cushing, Oklahoma? That pipeline?
4 I want sources for that percentage in triplicate.
5 What about it?
6 What other allies has he "insulted", and how?
7 Iran does not have nuclear weapons, nor will they ever likely get access to nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future. This has nothing to do with Obama anyway.
8 You mean the bailout that essentially saved the auto industry and protected thousands upon thousands of jobs? That bailout?
9 Nothing to do with Obama.



1. We went from about $1 Trillion dollars in debt to $16 Trillion
2. The ones in Libya, he had the ablility to send help but he didn't; are you saying that we should have let Al Qaeda go?
3. The Keystone pipeline from Canada
4. If you want proof, just go to any government housing facility and count how many flat screen TVs they have, check this video out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio, shouldn't she have been looking for a job or maybe buying food instead of a cellphone?
5. Government healthcare that makes it practically impossible to own private healthcare, Great!
6. Israel, the UK, our two biggest allies; Israel- skipped over on his visit to the middle east, told them to "give back the Golan Heights", instead of meeting with prime minister Netanyahu about Iran, he went on a talk show with the "Pimp with a Limp," hasn't drawn a line in the sand for Iran; UK- gave back Churchill bust the British gave us to honor the victims of 9/11, hasn't been active with relations
7. Iran has gotten a lot closer to WMDs, just ask Israel; it is called foreign policy, a job for the President
8. The bailout that ripped off millions, for every $1,000 a bondholder invested, they got back $20 (if a company went out of business before, they sold their company off and bondholders got back about 60-70% of their money)
9. The Keystone pipeline could drop prices drastically


As I said before, the national debt was about $10T when Obama took office, not $1T. You're missing a zero.

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Postby Kingdom of the Polar Bear » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:07 pm

The Royal Australian Republic wrote:
Kingdom of the Polar Bear wrote:George W Bush, Hands down the worst President in the 20 and 21 centuries.


Have you seen Obama? Check above for my recent posts. :eyebrow:


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