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Who was the worst US president in the 20th and 21st centuries?

Woodrow Wilson
35
6%
Herbert Hoover
60
10%
JFK
11
2%
LBJ
16
3%
Nixon
39
6%
Ford
5
1%
Carter
37
6%
George W Bush
256
41%
Obama
96
16%
other (explain below)
62
10%
 
Total votes : 617

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Postby Gaveo » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:24 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Look almost half of Chile disagreed with him plus he started going against the Chilean constitution, and because we had no way of impeaching him we had no choice but to do the Coup.

:eyebrow:
That Cuba is a communist country...

And I love it that way.

And Cuba is still stuck in the 50s and is one of the poorest nations on the western hemisphere. :roll:
Bruh.

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Postby Ruridova » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:24 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Gaveo wrote:I applaud him that he did that, Allende was going to destroy Chile and make it another Cuba.

DAFUQ DID YOU SAY ABOUT CUBA?

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Postby Bojikami » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:25 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Bojikami wrote:And I love it that way.

And Cuba is still stuck in the 50s and is one of the poorest nations on the western hemisphere. :roll:

You got something against vintage cars?
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Postby Ruridova » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:25 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Bojikami wrote:And I love it that way.

And Cuba is still stuck in the 50s and is one of the poorest nations on the western hemisphere. :roll:

Psst! Bojikami is Cuban.
Республіка Рюрідова - Королівство Вілкія
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
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Postby Fintanland » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:26 pm

Gaveo wrote:Look almost half of Chile disagreed with him plus he started going against the Chilean constitution, and because we had no way of impeaching him we had no choice but to do the Coup.

YOU? What the hell were the US even doing interfering in another state's politics? And don't claim it was out of purely good desire to free the Chilean people. The complete monster who was installed instead pretty much invalidates that claim.

EDIT: If you actually are Chilean, then well... justified coup or not, what the hell were the US doing intervening in it? And not to install a democratic regime, I might add.
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Postby Klesh » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:26 pm

Klesh speaks!

Good ole GW but that is only because Obama hasn't completed his term. He keeps it up and he is well on his way to this dubious distinction.

Dishonorable mention: JFK.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Lesbia wrote:
That's exactly what it is. For anyone to allege he was the worst is outrageous.


Meh just typical day with Nationstates 15 socialists, I know because ive been there.

I'd love to be pointed toward something Bush did well.
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Postby Fintanland » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:27 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:I'd love to be pointed toward something Bush did well.

Eating pretz...oh damn!
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Postby Gaveo » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:27 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Bojikami wrote:DAFUQ DID YOU SAY ABOUT CUBA?

NATIONSTATES KOMBAT 12!
CHOOSE YOUR CHAMPION...
Player One: Gaveo! (handicap bonus: extreme conservatism)
Player Two: Bojikami! (handicap bonus: homeland passion)
Who Will Win The Debate?
Ready... FIGHT!

Extreme Conservatism?

Really? I mean really?
Bojikami wrote:
Gaveo wrote:And Cuba is still stuck in the 50s and is one of the poorest nations on the western hemisphere. :roll:

You got something against vintage cars?

No but I do have something against communism.
Ruridova wrote:
Gaveo wrote:And Cuba is still stuck in the 50s and is one of the poorest nations on the western hemisphere. :roll:

Psst! Bojikami is Cuban.

Figured.
Bruh.

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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:27 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Meh just typical day with Nationstates 15 socialists, I know because ive been there.

I'd love to be pointed toward something Bush did well.


Well he set in motion many of the plans to get Osama Bin Laden, War in Iraq was bad, i didn't agree with that, but I was with him on Afghanistan. Socially not a fan, foreign policy i agreed with mostly, he didn't take shit from anyone.
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Postby Bojikami » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:28 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Ruridova wrote:NATIONSTATES KOMBAT 12!
CHOOSE YOUR CHAMPION...
Player One: Gaveo! (handicap bonus: extreme conservatism)
Player Two: Bojikami! (handicap bonus: homeland passion)
Who Will Win The Debate?
Ready... FIGHT!

Extreme Conservatism?

Really? I mean really?
Bojikami wrote:You got something against vintage cars?

No but I do have something against communism.
Ruridova wrote:Psst! Bojikami is Cuban.

Figured.

Are you american? Of so, figures.
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Postby Gaveo » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:29 pm

Fintanland wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Look almost half of Chile disagreed with him plus he started going against the Chilean constitution, and because we had no way of impeaching him we had no choice but to do the Coup.

YOU? What the hell were the US even doing interfering in another state's politics? And don't claim it was out of purely good desire to free the Chilean people. The complete monster who was installed instead pretty much invalidates that claim.

Cold War, Soviet Union did that so calm your tits down. And it was, Chile was facing massive economic troubles and some one like Allende was the opposite of the solution.
Bruh.

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Postby Ruridova » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:30 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Ruridova wrote:NATIONSTATES KOMBAT 12!
CHOOSE YOUR CHAMPION...
Player One: Gaveo! (handicap bonus: extreme conservatism)
Player Two: Bojikami! (handicap bonus: homeland passion)
Who Will Win The Debate?
Ready... FIGHT!

Extreme Conservatism?

Really? I mean really?

If you have a better idea I'll edit the post.


Just to throw in my two cents, I can't say I particularly like either Allende or Pinochet, but Pinochet was a genocidal asshole so I'd vote Allende as the lesser or two evils.
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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Ruridova » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:32 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Fintanland wrote:YOU? What the hell were the US even doing interfering in another state's politics? And don't claim it was out of purely good desire to free the Chilean people. The complete monster who was installed instead pretty much invalidates that claim.

Cold War, Soviet Union did that so calm your tits down. And it was, Chile was facing massive economic troubles and some one like Allende was the opposite of the solution.

So... Pinochet was genocidal, but at least he fixed the economy? Wasn't Hitler rather similar to Pinochet in that respect?
Республіка Рюрідова - Королівство Вілкія
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Fintanland » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:32 pm

Gaveo wrote:Cold War, Soviet Union did that so calm your tits down. And it was, Chile was facing massive economic troubles and some one like Allende was the opposite of the solution.

So? I like the Soviet Union even less. And economic troubles are now sufficient justification for a brutal coup and installing a ruthless tyrant?
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Postby Gaveo » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:33 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Extreme Conservatism?

Really? I mean really?

If you have a better idea I'll edit the post.


Just to throw in my two cents, I can't say I particularly like either Allende or Pinochet, but Pinochet was a genocidal asshole so I'd vote Allende as the lesser or two evils.

Pinochet a asshole? You must be kidding me, Allende was a screwed up man. And Pinochet saved Chile and despite the calls that he committed genocide is ridiculous, it was a civil war, lives were going to be lost
Bruh.

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Postby Bojikami » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:33 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Cold War, Soviet Union did that so calm your tits down. And it was, Chile was facing massive economic troubles and some one like Allende was the opposite of the solution.

So... Pinochet was genocidal, but at least he fixed the economy? Wasn't Hitler rather similar to Pinochet in that respect?

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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:33 pm

Fintanland wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Cold War, Soviet Union did that so calm your tits down. And it was, Chile was facing massive economic troubles and some one like Allende was the opposite of the solution.

So? I like the Soviet Union even less. And economic troubles are now sufficient justification for a brutal coup and installing a ruthless tyrant?


It's what the Palestinians did "nods" :blush:

and the nazis

well, not a brutal coup but i think it suffices
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:34 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:I'd love to be pointed toward something Bush did well.


Well he set in motion many of the plans to get Osama Bin Laden, War in Iraq was bad, i didn't agree with that, but I was with him on Afghanistan. Socially not a fan, foreign policy i agreed with mostly, he didn't take shit from anyone.

He basically forgot about Afghanistan for most of his term while concentrating on Iraq for shits and giggles.
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Postby Gaveo » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:34 pm

Fintanland wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Cold War, Soviet Union did that so calm your tits down. And it was, Chile was facing massive economic troubles and some one like Allende was the opposite of the solution.

So? I like the Soviet Union even less. And economic troubles are now sufficient justification for a brutal coup and installing a ruthless tyrant?

A ruthless tyrant? I have seen/heard worse. None of the Soviets were good neither was Pol Pot. Compared to them, Pinochet was a butterfly.
Bruh.

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Postby Fintanland » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:34 pm

Gaveo wrote:Pinochet a asshole? You must be kidding me, Allende was a screwed up man. And Pinochet saved Chile and despite the calls that he committed genocide is ridiculous, it was a civil war, lives were going to be lost

It is telling that you use the passive here. Lives "were" not lost, government agents quite deliberately ended them.

EDIT: Yeah, compared to Pol Pot. The hell? Compared to Stalin, Castro is a choirboy but you still hate him, right?
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Postby Lesbia » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:35 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Lesbia wrote:
That's exactly what it is. For anyone to allege he was the worst is outrageous.


Meh just typical day with Nationstates 15 socialists, I know because ive been there.

I've grown used to it. It's rare you find someone on here without a political compass between -5 and -10 to the left.
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Postby Ruridova » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:35 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Ruridova wrote:If you have a better idea I'll edit the post.


Just to throw in my two cents, I can't say I particularly like either Allende or Pinochet, but Pinochet was a genocidal asshole so I'd vote Allende as the lesser or two evils.

Pinochet a asshole? You must be kidding me, Allende was a screwed up man. And Pinochet saved Chile and despite the calls that he committed genocide is ridiculous, it was a civil war, lives were going to be lost

So... it was a Civil War at one time, and that justifies Pinochet spending a large amount of his reign making people disappear? I don't care if Allende was screwed up, Pinochet was far more so.
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Postby Bojikami » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:35 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Fintanland wrote:So? I like the Soviet Union even less. And economic troubles are now sufficient justification for a brutal coup and installing a ruthless tyrant?

A ruthless tyrant? I have seen/heard worse. None of the Soviets were good neither was Pol Pot. Compared to them, Pinochet was a butterfly.

Lenin was ok.
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Postby Cocsoah » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:36 pm

George W. Bush hands down.
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