Who was worst US president in the 20th and 21st centuries?

[Phocidaea]

Good to see that my view is overwhelmingly shared here.

[Liriena]

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I'm sidetracking from the thread's topic, and I know it...but I'm gonna need a source for that assertion. And, please, I respectfully ask that your source is NOT "proof by association".

It is not proof by association, it is proof by history. Liberals killed Christians in the French Revolution, in the revolutions of the nineteenth century, in Soviet Russia, in the Spanish Civil War, in socialist countries of the twentieth century, and even today through abortion. Added together, the total Christians killed by liberals is around 50 million. Now give me a source that Christians killed 5 million liberals.

I still don't see a source for those numbers. Just historical events that allegedly included open persecution of Christians by liberals.

Your first mistake is equating liberalism with marxism and other branches of socialism, when they are not equal, even by a long shot. The USSR and China could never be called a liberal country, since liberalism is all about civil rights. That alone takes away a large chunk of your claimed body count.
Your second mistake is on abortion. It implies that the unborn children would have invariably been Christians. And you have no way whatsoever of proving that, nor do you have any proof that the legalization of abortion was in any way part of a plan by liberals to commit a genocide against Christians.
On the French Revolution, keep in mind that the liberals of those days would have been the conservative libertarians of today, if their advocacy for economic freedom for the bourgeois is anything to go by. And even then, the number of Christians killed because of their beliefs in that period would never amount to be even close to a fraction of your claimed number.

Now, liberals being killed by Christians? I'd have to get back on you on that one.

[Alinto]

Nixon

[Holy Trek]

Obama: resigned the Patriot Act, increased the national debt (rapidly), and lied about his religion to get into power.

I doubt Obama was born in the U.S., but come on, he's Christian. Children almost always follow their mother's religion, since she's normally the one at home who teaches it to them.

And realistically it shouldn't matter what religion you are in a secular nation.

Just what this thread needs....another birther like Trump. Just do us all a favor and stuff it

[The Black Forrest]

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I'm sidetracking from the thread's topic, and I know it...but I'm gonna need a source for that assertion. And, please, I respectfully ask that your source is NOT "proof by association".

It is not proof by association, it is proof by history. Liberals killed Christians in the French Revolution, in the revolutions of the nineteenth century, in Soviet Russia, in the Spanish Civil War, in socialist countries of the twentieth century, and even today through abortion. Added together, the total Christians killed by liberals is around 50 million. Now give me a source that Christians killed 5 million liberals.

Now where was the pacman image about "help help I'm being oppressed."

[Arkinesia]

Jimmy Carter had a record of incompetence and failed leadership.

A "record" which has been greatly exaggerated by conservative media.

Worst probably has to go to GWB, who has the title of most fiscally irresponsible president in US history, with a terrible handling of foreign policy.

The only other person who could compete with his title are Ronald Reagan and Herbert Hoover.

*licks chops*

Terrible foreign policy, you say?

How does warming relations with India, Australia, and Japan sound to you?

Or improving relations with EU member nations?

How about setting in motion the end to past-due-date trade embargoes on weapons?

Because The Shrub did all of those things.

And, spoiler alert, Obama has done none of them, so what does that say about his foreign policy?

Me, I can't decide between Wilson (for giving rise to the chickenhawk foreign policy and his suppression of First Amendment rights) and Hoover (for almost single-handedly causing the Great Depression aside from the deregulation Coolidge had brought on).

[Napkiraly]

Mr. "Hitler was a gay liberal"

After reading about him on Wikipedia, he does have some good points, but he seems to go just a bit too far.

A bit too far?

[The Black Forrest]

A "record" which has been greatly exaggerated by conservative media.

Worst probably has to go to GWB, who has the title of most fiscally irresponsible president in US history, with a terrible handling of foreign policy.

The only other person who could compete with his title are Ronald Reagan and Herbert Hoover.

*licks chops*

Terrible foreign policy, you say?

How does warming relations with India, Australia, and Japan sound to you?

Or improving relations with EU member nations?

How about setting in motion the end to past-due-date trade embargoes on weapons?

Because The Shrub did all of those things.

And, spoiler alert, Obama has done none of them, so what does that say about his foreign policy?

Me, I can't decide between Wilson (for giving rise to the chickenhawk foreign policy and his suppression of First Amendment rights) and Hoover (for almost single-handedly causing the Great Depression aside from the deregulation Coolidge had brought on).

You forgot Poland.

[Arkinesia]

*licks chops*

Terrible foreign policy, you say?

How does warming relations with India, Australia, and Japan sound to you?

Or improving relations with EU member nations?

How about setting in motion the end to past-due-date trade embargoes on weapons?

Because The Shrub did all of those things.

And, spoiler alert, Obama has done none of them, so what does that say about his foreign policy?

Me, I can't decide between Wilson (for giving rise to the chickenhawk foreign policy and his suppression of First Amendment rights) and Hoover (for almost single-handedly causing the Great Depression aside from the deregulation Coolidge had brought on).

You forgot Poland.

Oh, nice catch. I forgot about that.

[Mike the Progressive]

Carter and Bush Jr.

You would seriously place Herbert Hoover above Jimmy Carter?

A progressive Republican whose push for government intervention in the economy that deepened the Great Depression? You may be right. But Carter also found a way to fuck up our foreign policy, too (though the state of the economy wasn't really his fault, tbh).

[Silent Majority]

FDR because he <snip> made the economy weak for a long time

There are plenty of things to criticize FDR for, but making the economy weak is not one of them.

[Mike the Progressive]

FDR because he <snip> made the economy weak for a long time

There are plenty of things to criticize FDR for, but making the economy weak is not one of them.

He didn't really strengthen it. WW2 and us emerging out of the war as the only country that wasn't bombed to smithereens is why the economy was "stronger."

[United Kingdom of Poland]

There are plenty of things to criticize FDR for, but making the economy weak is not one of them.

He didn't really strengthen it. WW2 and us emerging out of the war as the only country that wasn't bombed to smithereens is why the economy was "stronger."

yeah no; http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/200 ... ailed-myth look at the charts.

[Mike the Progressive]

He didn't really strengthen it. WW2 and us emerging out of the war as the only country that wasn't bombed to smithereens is why the economy was "stronger."

yeah no; http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/200 ... ailed-myth look at the charts.

Yeah, yeah.

http://mises.org/daily/1623

[Arkinesia]

Open challenge to everyone who says Bush 43 was the worst President of the 21st century.

List for me the transgressions Bush 43 committed without listing Gitmo, the War On Terror, or the PATRIOT Act.

Go.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Open challenge to everyone who says Bush 43 was the worst President of the 21st century.

List for me the transgressions Bush 43 committed without listing Gitmo, the War On Terror, or the PATRIOT Act.

Go.

That's like saying "list for me the transgressions Josef Stalin committed without mentioning the Gulags, the Great Purges or the Holodomor".

[Freedom of United Trevor]

Nixon since he acted like an ass during Watergate and he did apologize to America which is BS.

[Arkinesia]

Open challenge to everyone who says Bush 43 was the worst President of the 21st century.

List for me the transgressions Bush 43 committed without listing Gitmo, the War On Terror, or the PATRIOT Act.

Go.

That's like saying "list for me the transgressions Josef Stalin committed without mentioning the Gulags, the Great Purges or the Holodomor".

Not really. I can list a ton of things Bush 43 did that were good.

Things like strengthening relations with a laundry list of strategic allies*, actively working to reduce overall military shortfalls in troop counts, and leading a recently-stumbling economy back to the front of the pack (though it all went to shit thanks to the excessive deregulation, ultimately).

That list being:

• India
• Japan
• Australia
• Poland
• UK
• Germany

[Vetalia]

That's like saying "list for me the transgressions Josef Stalin committed without mentioning the Gulags, the Great Purges or the Holodomor".

That's not really a very convincing argument considering that big spike in debt occurred as a result of the financial crisis...which can be blamed as much or more on the Clinton years than anything W did. Actually, I'd say the bulk of the problem is attributable to the previous administration since that's when all of the most extreme deregulation occurred (not to mention all the scandals that accompanied the 2001 recession due to lax regulation).

[Jinos]

You would seriously place Herbert Hoover above Jimmy Carter?

A progressive Republican whose push for government intervention in the economy that deepened the Great Depression? You may be right. But Carter also found a way to fuck up our foreign policy, too (though the state of the economy wasn't really his fault, tbh).

Hoover never really intervened in the economy very heavily. His policies were lackluster and his administration operated on contradictory policies of government spending but refusal to spend heavily due to mutual policies of avoiding deficit and fear of 'welfare addiction' not to mention, corporate protectionism which fell flat on its ass.

[Bojikami]

JFK and Reagan.

[Sedikal]

bush and obama.

[Domassia]

I guess FDR is not on this list because then we'd have to choose between him and obama.

[Bojikami]

I guess FDR is not on this list because then we'd have to choose between him and obama.

I like Obama.

[Squeh]

Dubya, hands down.