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Who was the worst US president in the 20th and 21st centuries?

Woodrow Wilson
35
6%
Herbert Hoover
60
10%
JFK
11
2%
LBJ
16
3%
Nixon
39
6%
Ford
5
1%
Carter
37
6%
George W Bush
256
41%
Obama
96
16%
other (explain below)
62
10%
 
Total votes : 617

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Postby Galla- » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:21 am

No FDR I am shocked.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:21 am

Bojikami wrote:
Wolny Kraj wrote:
Well obviously not in the 80s onward but early on it was Stalinist, they moved gradually away from it though

The USSR under Lenin was Communist.

No it wasn't.

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Postby Nidaria » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:25 am

Bush obviously. He started two wars, spent trillions on them, and gave tax cuts to his rich friends. His domestic policy also made the U.S. more totalitarian.
A better topic would be the second worst president. My choice would go to Obama.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:25 am

Kolonya wrote:President Zero or Obama is worst than carter, zero achieved nada, zip, zero during his last fours as president. Amazingly, President Empty Chair, will continue to another four years of remaking my country a third world nation, thank you President Zero for making us poorer. President Epic Fail wil again pretend to be president and golf. :clap: bravo people for voting a fraud to power a know nothing community Marxist organizer, bravo.


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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:26 am

Nidaria wrote:Bush obviously. He started two wars, spent trillions on them, and gave tax cuts to his rich friends. His domestic policy also made the U.S. more totalitarian.
A better topic would be the second worst president. My choice would go to Obama.


Seriously? Obama is worse than...say...Hoover?
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Postby Divair » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:28 am

Liriena wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Bush obviously. He started two wars, spent trillions on them, and gave tax cuts to his rich friends. His domestic policy also made the U.S. more totalitarian.
A better topic would be the second worst president. My choice would go to Obama.


Seriously? Obama is worse than...say...Hoover?

Look at his sig.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:28 am

Bojikami wrote:
Wolny Kraj wrote:
Well obviously not in the 80s onward but early on it was Stalinist, they moved gradually away from it though

The USSR under Lenin was Communist.


A Dictatorship of the Proletariat, to be more accurate. In theory, that is the first step to a Communist society with no government whatsoever.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:29 am

Nidaria wrote:Bush obviously. He started two wars, spent trillions on them, and gave tax cuts to his rich friends. His domestic policy also made the U.S. more totalitarian.
A better topic would be the second worst president. My choice would go to Obama.


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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:29 am

Divair wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Seriously? Obama is worse than...say...Hoover?

Look at his sig.


The number of Christians killed by liberals is more
than ten times the number of liberals killed by Christians.
Who did you say was violent and intolerant again?


:blink:

What are you, Nidaria, a Bryan Fischer fan or something?
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Postby Nidaria » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:31 am

Liriena wrote:
Divair wrote:Look at his sig.


The number of Christians killed by liberals is more
than ten times the number of liberals killed by Christians.
Who did you say was violent and intolerant again?


:blink:

What are you, Nidaria, a Bryan Fischer fan or something?

Who is he?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:33 am

Nidaria wrote:
Liriena wrote:


:blink:

What are you, Nidaria, a Bryan Fischer fan or something?

Who is he?



Mr. "Hitler was a gay liberal"
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Postby Stedicules » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:34 am

i'd say none.
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Postby Nidaria » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:35 am

Liriena wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Who is he?



Mr. "Hitler was a gay liberal"

After reading about him on Wikipedia, he does have some good points, but he seems to go just a bit too far.
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Postby Gaveo » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:39 am

Republican wise- Hoover and Roosevelt, the most progressive presidents that were Republican.
Democrat wise- Wilson, FDR and Carter- Wilson because he was a idiot and imprisoned people because they didn't like his government. FDR because he increased the size of government and made the economy weak for a long time. Carter, he was weak, stupid and made the US look like a weakling especially when the fall of the Shah and the fall of the US embassy.
Bruh.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:43 am

Nidaria wrote:

After reading about him on Wikipedia, he does have some good points, but he seems to go just a bit too far.


"A bit"? -_____-
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:44 am

Gaveo wrote:Republican wise- Hoover and Roosevelt, the most progressive presidents that were Republican.
Democrat wise- Wilson, FDR and Carter- Wilson because he was a idiot and imprisoned people because they didn't like his government. FDR because he increased the size of government and made the economy weak for a long time. Carter, he was weak, stupid and made the US look like a weakling especially when the fall of the Shah and the fall of the US embassy.


*gasp* How dare you proclaim Teddy one of the worst?!
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Postby Holy Trek » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:44 am

Phocidaea wrote:Bush (II) by a vast margin.

He has terrible political views, was a terrible leader, is incredibly prone to verbal gaffes, started two unwinnable wars, drove the economy into a ditch by refusing to intervene, and "won" in the first place by such a tiny margin that no one will ever know the absolute truth.

He did nothing constructive in his eight years, and didn't deserve them. He's the reason our country is the crapsack it is now.


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Postby Divair » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:45 am

Liriena wrote:
Nidaria wrote:After reading about him on Wikipedia, he does have some good points, but he seems to go just a bit too far.


"A bit"? -_____-

His sig, bro, his sig.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:47 am

Divair wrote:
Liriena wrote:
"A bit"? -_____-

His sig, bro, his sig.


Bu-But...how...what...why?

I mean...in what universe can one claim that liberals killed more Christians than Christians killed liberals?
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Postby Nidaria » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:48 am

Liriena wrote:
Divair wrote:His sig, bro, his sig.


Bu-But...how...what...why?

I mean...in what universe can one claim that liberals killed more Christians than Christians killed liberals?

In the universe of reality. :p
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Postby Fintanland » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:49 am

Nidaria wrote:In the universe of reality. :p

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:49 am

Nidaria wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Bu-But...how...what...why?

I mean...in what universe can one claim that liberals killed more Christians than Christians killed liberals?

In the universe of reality. :p


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I'm sidetracking from the thread's topic, and I know it...but I'm gonna need a source for that assertion. And, please, I respectfully ask that your source is NOT "proof by association".
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Postby Nidaria » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:52 am

Liriena wrote:
Nidaria wrote:In the universe of reality. :p


-____-

I'm sidetracking from the thread's topic, and I know it...but I'm gonna need a source for that assertion. And, please, I respectfully ask that your source is NOT "proof by association".

It is not proof by association, it is proof by history. Liberals killed Christians in the French Revolution, in the revolutions of the nineteenth century, in Soviet Russia, in the Spanish Civil War, in socialist countries of the twentieth century, and even today through abortion. Added together, the total Christians killed by liberals is around 50 million. Now give me a source that Christians killed 5 million liberals.
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Postby New Embossia » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:53 am

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Postby The Occident » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:54 am

If you have to decide who was the "best" or "worst" president, you're missing the point of being the President of the United States of America. They've all had their strengths and weaknesses, which are pronounced or downplayed based on the geopolitical climate they come into.

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