Woman dies in Ireland for want of an abortion

[Zephie]

"for want of an abortion"
no
it's
"from being denied an abortion"

nope, "for want of" implies a lack or deficit. It's correct

Uh, no it's not. She didn't die because she wanted an abortion. She died because she couldn't get an abortion. A big difference.
This generation.

[Risottia]

How is a fetus supposed to get permission?

It can't. Because it's not a person, neither legally nor neurobiologically.

Hence, abortion isn't murder, because it's not even the killing of a person.

[Zephie]

How is a fetus supposed to get permission?

It can't. Because it's not a person, neither legally nor neurobiologically.

Hence, abortion isn't murder, because it's not even the killing of a person.

Please tell me more about how people growing inside of people aren't people

[Cu Math]

nope, "for want of" implies a lack or deficit. It's correct

Uh, no it's not. She didn't die because she wanted an abortion. She died because she couldn't get an abortion. A big difference.
This generation.

Umm....." If you do something for want of something else, you do it because the other thing is not available or not possible."
from Collins English Dictionary (Italics and bold mine)

[Cu Math]

It can't. Because it's not a person, neither legally nor neurobiologically.

Hence, abortion isn't murder, because it's not even the killing of a person.

Please tell me more about how people growing inside of people aren't people

They aren't even alive. its a bundle of stem cells. Its as alive as your marrow

[Zephie]

Please tell me more about how people growing inside of people aren't people

They aren't even alive. its a bundle of stem cells. Its as alive as your marrow

I'm a huge bundle of cells. I'm not alive?! SHIT
Wait, cells aren't alive either?
Damn.

This is sort of how growing up works. You get bigger and bigger and bigger. Does this mean a child isn't a human until they stop growing around the ages of 18-21?

[Arthurista]

It can't. Because it's not a person, neither legally nor neurobiologically.

Hence, abortion isn't murder, because it's not even the killing of a person.

Please tell me more about how people growing inside of people aren't people

What we define as 'people' is pretty much just whatever the politicians decide based on prevalent cultural views, which are in turn determined by the socio-economic conditions. As these conditions change, so will cultural views and hence the law. If animal rights campaigns pick up the pace, chimpanzees will be classified as hominids in the future, for example. The reverse side of the coin, of course, is that nasty regimes can legislate whole groups outside the ambit of 'human beings'.

Just how the world works in reality.

[Cu Math]

They aren't even alive. its a bundle of stem cells. Its as alive as your marrow

I'm a huge bundle of cells. I'm not alive?! SHIT
Wait, cells aren't alive either?
Damn.

This is sort of how growing up works. You get bigger and bigger and bigger. Does this mean a child isn't a human until they stop growing around the ages of 18-21?

Seriously? No, cells aren't truly alive. And embryonic cells are even less alive than your stratum basale! They can't maintain homeostasis! And a last sting your cells keep growing, dividing, and dying after 18
But my original point: no, they aren't.

[Dyakovo]

You're the one who is making it sound like that, with that giant imagination of yours.

"for want of an abortion"
no
it's
"from being denied an abortion"

Your "correction" and what was written mean the same thing.

[Zephie]

"for want of an abortion"
no
it's
"from being denied an abortion"

Your "correction" and what was written mean the same thing.

No it doesn't.

If you would like some grammar lessons, I'd be happy to help you out.

[Qazox]

I hope her husband sues the crap out of the hospital. This was a case when an abortion was medically warrented, and not done. Shame on all involved with not getting this woman the treatment she needed.

[Dyakovo]

nope, "for want of" implies a lack or deficit. It's correct

Uh, no it's not. She didn't die because she wanted an abortion. She died because she couldn't get an abortion. A big difference.
This generation.

"She died for want of an abortion" doesn't mean "She died because she wanted an abortion."

[Dyakovo]

It can't. Because it's not a person, neither legally nor neurobiologically.

Hence, abortion isn't murder, because it's not even the killing of a person.

Please tell me more about how people growing inside of people aren't people

A foetus isn't a person.

[Zephie]

Uh, no it's not. She didn't die because she wanted an abortion. She died because she couldn't get an abortion. A big difference.
This generation.

"She died for want of an abortion" doesn't mean "She died because she wanted an abortion."

Again, if you would like some free grammar lessons, feel free to send me a telegram.

[Dyakovo]

Your "correction" and what was written mean the same thing.

No it doesn't.

If you would like some grammar lessons, I'd be happy to help you out.

Yes, it does. As you've been shown already... So no, I don't want lessons in not understanding.

[Zephie]

No it doesn't.

If you would like some grammar lessons, I'd be happy to help you out.

Yes, it does. As you've been shown already... So no, I don't want lessons in not understanding.

No, see. I'll try to use simple words. She died because she did not get an abortion which she had want for. Instead, the fetus was removed when it was too late, the infection killing her. So, she died because she was denied an abortion she originally wanted. When she ultimately got the abortion, it was already too late and she died of the infection. So she did get an abortion, but not when she originally wanted it. What killed her was being denied the original abortion, not 'wanting' one.

[Dyakovo]

Yes, it does. As you've been shown already... So no, I don't want lessons in not understanding.

No, see. I'll try to use simple words. She died because she did not get an abortion which she had want for. Instead, the fetus was removed when it was too late, the infection killing her. So, she died because she was denied an abortion she originally wanted. When she ultimately got the abortion, it was already too late and she died of the infection. So she did get an abortion, but not when she originally wanted it. What killed her was being denied the original abortion, not 'wanting' one.

Someone needs grammar lessons here... It's not me though...

" If you do something for want of something else, you do it because the other thing is not available or not possible." from Collins English Dictionary (Italics and bold mine)

[Zephie]

No, see. I'll try to use simple words. She died because she did not get an abortion which she had want for. Instead, the fetus was removed when it was too late, the infection killing her. So, she died because she was denied an abortion she originally wanted. When she ultimately got the abortion, it was already too late and she died of the infection. So she did get an abortion, but not when she originally wanted it. What killed her was being denied the original abortion, not 'wanting' one.

Someone needs grammar lessons here... It's not me though...

" If you do something for want of something else, you do it because the other thing is not available or not possible." from Collins English Dictionary (Italics and bold mine)

In this case it was not possible for her to keep the baby, so she wanted an abortion. Correct. Like I have been saying for quite a few posts. Not sure why you're going to me for your lessons when you just teach yourself. More power to ya.

[Risottia]

It can't. Because it's not a person, neither legally nor neurobiologically.

Hence, abortion isn't murder, because it's not even the killing of a person.

Please tell me more about how people growing inside of people aren't people

Sure.
Should I discuss their being people or not within your hypothesis of them being people, though? Because, you know, your counter is nothing more than a tautology. Your argument translates as "I define foeti as being people, and now I dare you to prove that people aren't people."

Compelling argument.
Well, I think I already dismissed it.

[Zephie]

Please tell me more about how people growing inside of people aren't people

Sure.
Should I discuss their being people or not within your hypothesis of them being people, though? Because, you know, your counter is nothing more than a tautology. "I define foeti as being people, and now I dare you to prove that people aren't people."

Compelling argument.
Well, I think I already dismissed it.

If you ever see pics of aborted fetuses really hard not to think it's human, when it already has the features of a human.

P.S. this is how we all were born

[Risottia]

Sure.
Should I discuss their being people or not within your hypothesis of them being people, though? Because, you know, your counter is nothing more than a tautology. "I define foeti as being people, and now I dare you to prove that people aren't people."

Compelling argument.
Well, I think I already dismissed it.

If you ever see pics of aborted fetuses really hard not to think it's human, when it already has the features of a human.

P.S. this is how we all were born

Human =/= person.

Also, no, a foetus does not have all the features of an adult human. What's your point?

You're descended from tautologies to weaseling. What next? Appeal to emotions - nah, already done.
Quo usque tandem abuteris patientia nostra?

[Dyakovo]

Someone needs grammar lessons here... It's not me though...

" If you do something for want of something else, you do it because the other thing is not available or not possible." from Collins English Dictionary (Italics and bold mine)

In this case it was not possible for her to keep the baby, so she wanted an abortion. Correct. Like I have been saying for quite a few posts. Not sure why you're going to me for your lessons when you just teach yourself. More power to ya.

Because if you teach yourself, like you apparently did, you end up thinking "for want of" means "for wanting"...

[Zephie]

If you ever see pics of aborted fetuses really hard not to think it's human, when it already has the features of a human.

P.S. this is how we all were born

Human =/= person.

You're descended from tautologies to weaseling. What next? Appeal to emotions - nah, already done.
Quo usque tandem abuteris patientia nostra?

Weasling? You're just using technicalities of words to try to prove a point, words don't change what something is. A fetus is a stage of human development. To deny that is to deny being human.

[Zephie]

In this case it was not possible for her to keep the baby, so she wanted an abortion. Correct. Like I have been saying for quite a few posts. Not sure why you're going to me for your lessons when you just teach yourself. More power to ya.

Because if you teach yourself, like you apparently did, you end up thinking "for want of" means "for wanting"...

The woman wanted an abortion. Want is a verb.

[Risottia]

Human =/= person.

You're descended from tautologies to weaseling. What next? Appeal to emotions - nah, already done.
Quo usque tandem abuteris patientia nostra?

Weasling? You're just using technicalities of words to try to prove a point, words don't change what something is.

So, why are you still trying to argue that non-persons are persons because you say so?

A fetus is a stage of human development. To deny that is to deny being human.

A fetus is a stage of human development. This does not imply that it has rights. Because "being human" =/= "being a person".
Anyway, nice try at a "you're not human" argument.

So, after tautologies, weaseling, appeal to emotions, we are nearing the ad hominem now.

More and more cogent arguments. Sure.

Want is a verb.

Do yourself a favour and learn English. "want" is also a noun.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... 1352967228

2 want
noun
Definition of WANT
1
a : deficiency, lack <suffers from a want of good sense>
b : grave and extreme poverty that deprives one of the necessities of life
2
: something wanted : need, desire
3
: personal defect : fault
See want defined for English-language learners »
Examples of WANT

His attitude shows a want of proper respect.
He is suffering from want of adequate sleep.
people who are living in want

First Known Use of WANT
13th century
Related to WANT
Synonyms: absence, dearth, lack
Antonyms: presence