Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[Divair]

Yea, that's a pretty big one.

Especially if you consider they represent a predominantly muslim people.

Another question,is there any important politician in Israel (like Rabin was in the past) that could help improve relations if elected?

Not really. There are some parties, though, that want to pursue peace like Meretz and Hadash.

[Souseiseki]

The 21st Century is no place for religious extremist militant groups, and that goes for Palestine, Chechnya, Iran and anyone else who supports or harbors them.

israels fine tho

[Laerod]

Actually, we have a pretty clean record regarding that. There's that one issue with Israel sinking one of our spy boats and the time Ike almost went after Israel for attacking Egypt alongside Britain and France. Maybe even the time we were in Lebanon, but that's really stretching it. There's never been direct US intervention in the conflict and it's ludicrous to assume that Obama with his frosty relationship with Netanyahu is going to change that.

aren't you german

And American.

[Khodoristan]

Good riddance. Next.

[Laerod]

Good riddance. Next.

If killing militant Palestinians worked, why are they still doing it years after Operation Cast Lead?

[Camelza]

Especially if you consider they represent a predominantly muslim people.

Another question,is there any important politician in Israel (like Rabin was in the past) that could help improve relations if elected?

Not really. There are some parties, though, that want to pursue peace like Meretz and Hadash.

That's a shame,I don't think Meretz could gain power any time soon,
..then again,everything is possible.

[Minenotyours]

Good riddance. Next.

It takes more then killing people to solve an issue, hell, you kill one, three more want to take their place.

[Al Islamiya]

FUCK Israhell

[Ethel mermania]

FUCK Israhell

now that really does add to the debate, such an intelligent incisive opinion. I have changed my mind based on your eloquence. wow you really are smart. I hope one day i grow up to be as great a thinker as you.

[Khodoristan]

FUCK Israhell

Interesting.

[Laerod]

FUCK Israhell

now that really does add to the debate, such an intelligent incisive opinion. I have changed my mind based on your eloquence. wow you really are smart. I hope one day i grow up to be as great a thinker as you.

Damnit. To think I've been doing it wrong all these years... >=I

[Khodoristan]

Good riddance. Next.

It takes more then killing people to solve an issue, hell, you kill one, three more want to take their place.

I could argue the same for Palestinians, and how firing rockets into Israel achieves nothing, but it's 2 sides of the same coin, really.

[Laerod]

It takes more then killing people to solve an issue, hell, you kill one, three more want to take their place.

I could argue the same for Palestinians, and how firing rockets into Israel achieves nothing, but it's 2 sides of the same coin, really.

You'd expect a democratic state to behave better than a terrorist organization.

[Len Hyet]

FUCK Israhell

now that really does add to the debate, such an intelligent incisive opinion. I have changed my mind based on your eloquence. wow you really are smart. I hope one day i grow up to be as great a thinker as you.

Is that... sarcasm I smell?

Good riddance. Next.

It takes more then killing people to solve an issue, hell, you kill one, three more want to take their place.

Of course by that logic Wars would never end. Really it works like this.

If you kill enough of them, they stop coming.

DISCLAIMER: I don't advocate shooting everybody, or killing the majority of a populace, ethnic cleansing, etc. I do however feel that a certain amount of realism must be slapped onto every idealistic sentiment.

[Souseiseki]

It takes more then killing people to solve an issue, hell, you kill one, three more want to take their place.

I could argue the same for Palestinians, and how firing rockets into Israel achieves nothing, but it's 2 sides of the same coin, really.

trying to image the dimensions of that coin, it's a pretty fuck up coin

[L Ron Cupboard]

FUCK Israhell

SNIP

I would edit you post, they aren't worth getting warned for troll naming over.

[Miss Defied]

Especially if you consider they represent a predominantly muslim people.

Another question,is there any important politician in Israel (like Rabin was in the past) that could help improve relations if elected?

Not really. There are some parties, though, that want to pursue peace like Meretz and Hadash.

OT - I haven't been keeping up with the thread, but it seems to be getting quite heated over there.
Hope you are in a safe place.

[Khodoristan]

SNIP

I would edit you post, they aren't worth getting warned for troll naming over.

Done. Thank you for the heads up, kind sir.

[Divair]

Not really. There are some parties, though, that want to pursue peace like Meretz and Hadash.

OT - I haven't been keeping up with the thread, but it seems to be getting quite heated over there.
Hope you are in a safe place.

I'm safe for now.

[Souseiseki]

Not really. There are some parties, though, that want to pursue peace like Meretz and Hadash.

OT - I haven't been keeping up with the thread, but it seems to be getting quite heated over there.
Hope you are in a safe place.

bomb shelters are p. safe

[Minenotyours]

now that really does add to the debate, such an intelligent incisive opinion. I have changed my mind based on your eloquence. wow you really are smart. I hope one day i grow up to be as great a thinker as you.

Is that... sarcasm I smell?

It takes more then killing people to solve an issue, hell, you kill one, three more want to take their place.

Of course by that logic Wars would never end. Really it works like this.

If you kill enough of them, they stop coming.

DISCLAIMER: I don't advocate shooting everybody, or killing the majority of a populace, ethnic cleansing, etc. I do however feel that a certain amount of realism must be slapped onto every idealistic sentiment.

That's basically it, Those countries wont do anything but fight. How many have died over petty fights from these countries?

[Megaloria]

Whenever this flares up my mind drifts away to thoughts of putting a big bowl over the entire area and letting them do what they will for fifty years with no outside influence. Or sunlight.

[Laerod]

It takes more then killing people to solve an issue, hell, you kill one, three more want to take their place.

Of course by that logic Wars would never end. Really it works like this.

If you kill enough of them, they stop coming.

DISCLAIMER: I don't advocate shooting everybody, or killing the majority of a populace, ethnic cleansing, etc. I do however feel that a certain amount of realism must be slapped onto every idealistic sentiment.

The reality of the situation is that they tried that and tried that and tried that and it hasn't worked.

[Ethel mermania]

It takes more then killing people to solve an issue, hell, you kill one, three more want to take their place.

I could argue the same for Palestinians, and how firing rockets into Israel achieves nothing, but it's 2 sides of the same coin, really.

The sad part is both statements are true, and you get a self fulfilling death spiral as a result. i would use the west bank as an example of what happens when you stop shooting rockets, (and i do think the palestinians get screwed there too, but that is a different topic). The west bank has had years of economic growth and the peoples lives are better over the past 5 years not worse. It is a simple fact folks don't help folks who are shooting at them, even if it may be in their long term best interest to do so. Until the rockets stop flying out of gaza, life is not going to get better for the people of gaza. This stagnation is going to make the gazan's angry and shoot more rockets, and piss off the israelies, who will then drop more bombs, and the process will repeat over and over again.

[Ethel mermania]

I could argue the same for Palestinians, and how firing rockets into Israel achieves nothing, but it's 2 sides of the same coin, really.

You'd expect a democratic state to behave better than a terrorist organization.

why?

the problem is the state cant let it go unpunished, the primary function of a state is to protect it's citizens from things like rocket attacks. If the state can't do that, the government will rightly fall.

What do you suggest, just let them shoot the rockets and not retaliate?