Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[New Rogernomics]

Well, I'm familiar with Fatah's violent past, as are most people on this thread (I hope). I never thought them as any sort of peaceful bureacrats or kleptocrats as the case maybe. I'm unsure what you're implying.

They are the lesser of two evils. Think of it as that nationalist Irish party that has the funny name and Martin McGuinness as one of it's members and the Real IRA.

You know which one you'd rather deal with. Israel would rather deal with Abbas than whatever that crazy bearded man runs Gaza.

Well I don't like the ruling coalition in Israel, Hamas, or Fatah. But no truly secular party in Israel has been elected yet, pretty sure both sides see it as a holy war so refuse to compromise.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Yeah, that's what won Hamas the election. They were the only group actually providing social welfare programs. IDK though, winning voters through soup kitchens and blankets isn't a foreign concept to the Middle East.

When it comes down to it, Fatah would have to somehow convince the Palestinian people that they can secure their rights and freedoms through peaceful, democratic means, as opposed to Hamas's militant approach. Israel isn't really helping them out on that front.

I remember my Israeli hosts being absolutely CERTAIN it would be much easier to come to an understanding with Hamas.
You'll notice the great success of that strategy.


It's going to be a reet joke to provide Fatah with goods to dispense. Problem is that the Israelis are absolutely certain that Fatah is just a bunch of Cleptocrats. ( I don't agree btw)

It is something both Israelis and Palestinians believe. It is part of the reason Hamas won an election.

Well, I'm familiar with Fatah's violent past, as are most people on this thread (I hope). I never thought them as any sort of peaceful bureacrats or kleptocrats as the case maybe. I'm unsure what you're implying.

They are the lesser of two evils. Think of it as that nationalist Irish party that has the funny name and Martin McGuinness as one of it's members and the Real IRA.

You know which one you'd rather deal with. Israel would rather deal with Abbas than whatever that crazy bearded man runs Gaza.

It may well be true. And obvious to us outside of the Palestinian population. I suspect for the Palestinians the size of the evils is sometimes inverted. Because of the "Israel would rather deal with..." They are stuck with a group they perceived as corrupt, inefficient and in bed with Israel, and a militant group that says its fighting for them. Sometimes bombs fall on them from the people that want to deal with Abbas and the militant group says "uh huh, what did we tell you?"

They need better PR.

[Costa Alegria]

Well I don't like the ruling coalition in Israel, Hamas, or Fatah. But no truly secular party in Israel has been elected yet, pretty sure both sides see it as a holy war so refuse to compromise.

Put it this way: Likud plays Israelis right into their hands. They know Israelis are fed up with the government and increasing costs of living whilst living on rather inadequate wages (leading some to want to move into the settlements simply because they are cheaper than living in Israel proper) as well as other social injustices. They also hate Iran and their Arab neighbours and as long as Bibi keeps railing about the Iranians, the longer he stays in power.

It may well be true.

May? How many rockets have been launched from the West Bank since 2008?

They need better PR.

They need better leaders. Hamas has done absolutely nothing for the Palestinian cause since they came to power. Each rocket that is launched is another brick in the wall.

[Jetan]

It means he is a Scientologist. They are taught that this is an effective argument tactic.

If the Palestinian leadership wanted an internationally recognized independent state, agreeing to the armistice of 1949 would have gotten them that-- or, you know, stopping the fighting at any time since then.

it's nice you caught the reference but nah

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/ ... UX20121114

If that's not the case, maybe you could elaborate what you meant?

[L Ron Cupboard]

I don't condone terrorism...But i am also don't condone isreal so i am conflicted here...

You aren't the only one. Hamas and Netanyahu are both in the wrong in my view.

[Souseiseki]

lol literally posting IDF scary propaganda

SNIP

It certainly seems you have a certain capacity for being awfully concerned about protecting the image of a certain HAMAS which, we may note, has been classified
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

the United States[8], the European Union,[9][10], Canada and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization

It is a matter of grave concern that individuals residing within the European Union and who publicly side with Hamas cannot be sentenced to life-imprisonment which would be the just reward for so heinous a crime as siding with Hamas.

Clearly, we urgently require a strong version of the Patriot Act for Europe.

what

[Souseiseki]

it's nice you caught the reference but nah

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/ ... UX20121114

If that's not the case, maybe you could elaborate what you meant?

it is a joke

please reread the exchange until it makes sense

[Souseiseki]

lol literally posting IDF scary propaganda

SNIP

It certainly seems you have a certain capacity for being awfully concerned about protecting the image of a certain HAMAS which, we may note, has been classified
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

the United States[8], the European Union,[9][10], Canada and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization

It is a matter of grave concern that individuals residing within the European Union and who publicly side with Hamas cannot be sentenced to life-imprisonment which would be the just reward for so heinous a crime as siding with Hamas.

Clearly, we urgently require a strong version of the Patriot Act for Europe.

maybe if you didn't do a SNIP you'd see the whole point of the post lol

i dream of hamas and the IRA breaking into my room and battling for my affection, where upon the winner embraces me sensually in front of the fire place obv

[Camelza]

Clearly, we urgently require a strong version of the Patriot Act for Europe.

Europe is not the US and it is not a single nation with the same history or morals.

So,speaking as a Greek,a day before the polytechnic uprising commemoration day :"NO PASSARAN"

[Divair]

More rockets landed near Tel Aviv this morning.

[Camelza]

More rockets landed near Tel Aviv this morning.

This is quite worrying,but,you are safe ..right?

[Divair]

More rockets landed near Tel Aviv this morning.

This is quite worrying,but,you are safe ..right?

For now.

[Camelza]

This is quite worrying,but,you are safe ..right?

For now.

I hope you remain as such.

Any other news? Over here we have nothing about this situation.

[Divair]

For now.

I hope you remain as such.

Any other news? Over here we have nothing about this situation.

You can stay up to date with these two sources:
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson
http://www.haaretz.com/

Up to 340 rockets in 24 hours.

[Qanchia]

Hamas is the sole democratically elected government of Palestine.

Saying Fatah should rule is like saying the Mitt Romney should become the President of America, despite the fact that Obama won the election.

[Camelza]

I hope you remain as such.

Any other news? Over here we have nothing about this situation.

You can stay up to date with these two sources:
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson
http://www.haaretz.com/

Up to 340 rockets in 24 hours.

Fuck,this seems serious enough ...though I doubt Iran would do Anything.

Thanks for the links I must go,
Remain safe until I return.

[Divair]

You can stay up to date with these two sources:
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson
http://www.haaretz.com/

Up to 340 rockets in 24 hours.

Fuck,this seems serious enough ...though I doubt Iran would do Anything.

Thanks for the links I must go,
Remain safe until I return.

Iran hasn't and won't do a thing. I'm more concerned about Hamas becoming suicidal if the IDF invades.

[Souseiseki]

This is quite worrying,but,you are safe ..right?

For now.

"Analysts say it is the first time Gaza militants have deployed such powerful missiles."

i'm trying tio make a point of this sentence but i can't but i'm sure it should come out what i mean

[Divair]

For now.

"Analysts say it is the first time Gaza militants have deployed such powerful missiles."

i'm trying tio make a point of this sentence but i can't but i'm sure it should come out what i mean

Are you trying to say you hope that this decreases the quantity of rockets being fired?

[Laerod]

Hamas is the sole democratically elected government of Palestine.

Saying Fatah should rule is like saying the Mitt Romney should become the President of America, despite the fact that Obama won the election.

Hamas shouldn't have staged a coup then.

[Souseiseki]

"Analysts say it is the first time Gaza militants have deployed such powerful missiles."

i'm trying tio make a point of this sentence but i can't but i'm sure it should come out what i mean

Are you trying to say you hope that this decreases the quantity of rockets being fired?

pretty much. also hoping it doesn't end up increasing the number of half-decent rockets. something like that.

Rocket hits Tel Aviv area; 3 Israelis wounded in volley on South
IDF: Projectile on Tel Aviv did not hit ground; more than 275 rockets from Gaza explode in Israel since beginning of operation; IDF strikes over 250 Gaza targets;

[Souseiseki]

Fuck,this seems serious enough ...though I doubt Iran would do Anything.

Thanks for the links I must go,
Remain safe until I return.

Iran hasn't and won't do a thing. I'm more concerned about Hamas becoming suicidal if the IDF invades.

"Egyptian leaders have promised to support Gaza against Israeli attacks, as violence escalated for a third day.

President Mohammed Mursi said he would not leave Gaza on its own and condemned Israel's "blatant aggression", hours after his prime minister visited Gaza."

egypt is getting a sad ):

[Divair]

Are you trying to say you hope that this decreases the quantity of rockets being fired?

pretty much. also hoping it doesn't end up increasing the number of half-decent rockets. something like that.

Rocket hits Tel Aviv area; 3 Israelis wounded in volley on South
IDF: Projectile on Tel Aviv did not hit ground; more than 275 rockets from Gaza explode in Israel since beginning of operation; IDF strikes over 250 Gaza targets;

I'm hoping the quantity decreases too. This'll let Iron Dome hit a higher percentage of rockets.

[Divair]

Iran hasn't and won't do a thing. I'm more concerned about Hamas becoming suicidal if the IDF invades.

"Egyptian leaders have promised to support Gaza against Israeli attacks, as violence escalated for a third day.

President Mohammed Mursi said he would not leave Gaza on its own and condemned Israel's "blatant aggression", hours after his prime minister visited Gaza."

egypt is getting a sad ):

Egypt will lose American funding if they intervene. Doubt they will.

[Socialist EU]

More rockets landed near Tel Aviv this morning.

That's the nature of war.
"Socialism or barbarism", as Rosa Luxemburg once said.