Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[Souseiseki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsm-mEy38pQ&feature=youtu.be

#15Seconds
#Proisrael
#FuckGaza
#Hamassucks

lol literally posting IDF scary propaganda

insert the bomb shelter comments from before and the israel using white phosphorous on an UN school image

[Norsklow]

Civic service-providing is probably more to the point than Campaign Management. *puts his thinking cap on*

Yeah, that's what won Hamas the election. They were the only group actually providing social welfare programs. IDK though, winning voters through soup kitchens and blankets isn't a foreign concept to the Middle East.

When it comes down to it, Fatah would have to somehow convince the Palestinian people that they can secure their rights and freedoms through peaceful, democratic means, as opposed to Hamas's militant approach. Israel isn't really helping them out on that front.

I remember my Israeli hosts being absolutely CERTAIN it would be much easier to come to an understanding with Hamas.
You'll notice the great success of that strategy.


It's going to be a reet joke to provide Fatah with goods to dispense. Problem is that the Israelis are absolutely certain that Fatah is just a bunch of Cleptocrats. ( I don't agree btw)

[Sulamalik]

Yeah, that's what won Hamas the election. They were the only group actually providing social welfare programs. IDK though, winning voters through soup kitchens and blankets isn't a foreign concept to the Middle East.

When it comes down to it, Fatah would have to somehow convince the Palestinian people that they can secure their rights and freedoms through peaceful, democratic means, as opposed to Hamas's militant approach. Israel isn't really helping them out on that front.

I remember my Israeli hosts being absolutely CERTAIN it would be much easier to come to an understanding with Hamas.
You'll notice the great success of that strategy.


It's going to be a reet joke to provide Fatah with goods to dispense. Problem is that the Israelis are absolutely certain that Fatah is just a bunch of Cleptocrats. ( I don't agree btw)

Yeah, it's depressing. That's the nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The extremists on both sides use fear to keep the moderates out of power. It's in their interest to keep everyone too focused on who has the moral high ground, and who has the better historical claim to a oil-less plot of desert, instead of trying to find a peaceful solution. Politics over peace, that's all it really is.

[Jinwoy]

NO. WE DON'T.
It is seriously unacceptable for you to speak for "us".

No one is stopping you from speaking for "us".

Also note - all posts get indexed by Google analytics [google search a few keywords from a post you've made in the last day - it will come up]. All I've done is brought attention to it, in humorous fashion.

Now you want me banned for it? Calm your farm ffs

He doesn't want you banned, I think he's just hoping that you realise that THIS IS NOT TWITTER.
Please, for the love of god, don't speak for the entire NS Community ever again. We operate like the real world, we each have our different views on how things should be. Some people, for example, might be anti-Israel. Are you speaking for them, too?

[Forster Keys]

It's going to be a reet joke to provide Fatah with goods to dispense. Problem is that the Israelis are absolutely certain that Fatah is just a bunch of Cleptocrats. ( I don't agree btw)

IIRC correctly a good deal of Palestinians think the same.

[The Corparation]

The risks of supporting Gaza... there's an active campaign to have me banned in the Mod room.

Whatever dudes, I'm finished with this topic. BUT THE WORLD KNOWS.

It wasn't a campaign to get you banned. Its was more of a query regarding whether you saying #stuff everywhere constituted spam. Mod ruled it wasn't and its legal if irritating. Also this is NS so those aren't aprpirate tags for us, you need to use #Horsebeating and #Snarkycomment

[AiliailiA]

The risks of supporting Gaza... there's an active campaign to have me banned in the Mod room.

Is there? Good.

I was just about to go report you, now I needn't bother.

Whatever dudes, I'm finished with this topic. BUT THE WORLD KNOWS.

Bye then. Go change the world one tweet at a time.

[Tmutarakhan]

NO. WE DON'T.
It is seriously unacceptable for you to speak for "us".

No one is stopping you from speaking for "us".

Also note - all posts get indexed by Google analytics [google search a few keywords from a post you've made in the last day - it will come up]. All I've done is brought attention to it, in humorous fashion.

If you were attempting humor, you failed.

Now you want me banned for it? Calm your farm ffs

Nobody said anything about banning.

[Norsklow]

I remember my Israeli hosts being absolutely CERTAIN it would be much easier to come to an understanding with Hamas.
You'll notice the great success of that strategy.


It's going to be a reet joke to provide Fatah with goods to dispense. Problem is that the Israelis are absolutely certain that Fatah is just a bunch of Cleptocrats. ( I don't agree btw)

Yeah, it's depressing. That's the nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The extremists on both sides use fear to keep the moderates out of power. It's in their interest to keep everyone too focused on who has the moral high ground, and who has the better historical claim to a oil-less plot of desert, instead of trying to find a peaceful solution. Politics over peace, that's all it really is.

Your assessment makes sense.

WTF has morality got to do with victory? It's my adage with military ops. It probably works with politics as well.

[Forster Keys]

It would help if Likud would not be Likud, also. Israeli election day is in January: I would like to see Bibi as gobsmacked as Mitt.

Has anyone yet noticed that Israel within itself has 2 ethnicities: Ashkenazi v Sephardic?
It is quite possible that things have changed since I was there, but it used to be Kadima being the Ashkenazi bulwark and Likud being the Sephardic bulwark.
I'm presuming that that means that essentially, it is Kadima being the hopeless all-white basket-case in Israel that the GOP is in in the United States.

Not just two mind.

[Norsklow]

It's going to be a reet joke to provide Fatah with goods to dispense. Problem is that the Israelis are absolutely certain that Fatah is just a bunch of Cleptocrats. ( I don't agree btw)

IIRC correctly a good deal of Palestinians think the same.

Odd as the idea may strike you, Fatah does have a number of notches in their pistol-grip.

[Forster Keys]

IIRC correctly a good deal of Palestinians think the same.

Odd as the idea may strike you, Fatah does have a number of notches in their pistol-grip.

Sorry?

[Norsklow]

Has anyone yet noticed that Israel within itself has 2 ethnicities: Ashkenazi v Sephardic?
It is quite possible that things have changed since I was there, but it used to be Kadima being the Ashkenazi bulwark and Likud being the Sephardic bulwark.
I'm presuming that that means that essentially, it is Kadima being the hopeless all-white basket-case in Israel that the GOP is in in the United States.

Not just two mind.

WITHIN. Unless you want to count the Falashas... who are not much of a power-factor.

[Norsklow]

Odd as the idea may strike you, Fatah does have a number of notches in their pistol-grip.

Sorry?

They have killed some people, you know? So there is more than meets the eye.

[Forster Keys]

Not just two mind.

WITHIN. Unless you want to count the Falashas... who are not much of a power-factor.

You could count the Mizrahim, though some lump them in with the Sephardim. Also the Falashas or Ethiopian Jews plus other Jews from communities around the world such as India. Then there's the non-Jewish ethnicities.

[The Zeonic States]

I don't condone terrorism...But i am also don't condone isreal so i am conflicted here...

[Forster Keys]

Sorry?

They have killed some people, you know? So there is more than meets the eye.

Well, I'm familiar with Fatah's violent past, as are most people on this thread (I hope). I never thought them as any sort of peaceful bureacrats or kleptocrats as the case maybe. I'm unsure what you're implying.

[Sedikal]

Good. Good as I'm concerned Hamas is a terrorist group no difrant then the Taliban or Al-Qaeda and should be delt as such.

[Norsklow]

WITHIN. Unless you want to count the Falashas... who are not much of a power-factor.

You could count the Mizrahim, though some lump them in with the Sephardim. Also the Falashas or Ethiopian Jews plus other Jews from communities around the world such as India. Then there's the non-Jewish ethnicities.

The last 3 or 4 folks who called themselves Mizrahi that I met were adamant they were Sephardic.One voting block.

Then there's the non-Jewish ethnicities.

That has Bubkas to do with the Kadima-Likud balance. Did either Peres or Sharon or Olmert strike you as Druze or Circassian?

It's about Sephardic Likud v Ashkenazi Kadima.

[Norsklow]

They have killed some people, you know? So there is more than meets the eye.

Well, I'm familiar with Fatah's violent past, as are most people on this thread (I hope). I never thought them as any sort of peaceful bureacrats or kleptocrats as the case maybe. I'm unsure what you're implying.

I'm implying, no, STATING ( even Re-stating ) that I consider the characterisation of Fatah as a bunch of fat cleptocrats as the kind of populistic simplification worthy of the Daily Mail. EDIT: That would be the Yehudiot Achronot if memory serves.

[Forster Keys]

You could count the Mizrahim, though some lump them in with the Sephardim. Also the Falashas or Ethiopian Jews plus other Jews from communities around the world such as India. Then there's the non-Jewish ethnicities.

The last 3 or 4 folks who called themselves Mizrahi were adamant they were Sephardic.One voting block.

Then there's the non-Jewish ethnicities.

That has noguth to do with the Kadima-Likud balance. Did either Peres or Sharon or Olmert strike you as Druze or Circassian?

It's about Sephardic Likud v Ashkenazi Kadima.

I was just being a nit-picker.

[Norsklow]

The last 3 or 4 folks who called themselves Mizrahi were adamant they were Sephardic.One voting block.

That has noguth to do with the Kadima-Likud balance. Did either Peres or Sharon or Olmert strike you as Druze or Circassian?

It's about Sephardic Likud v Ashkenazi Kadima.

I was just being a nit-picker.

And I'm the strategic simplifier, always painting in broad strokes to get a useful quick picture.

[Norsklow]

lol literally posting IDF scary propaganda

SNIP

It certainly seems you have a certain capacity for being awfully concerned about protecting the image of a certain HAMAS which, we may note, has been classified
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

the United States[8], the European Union,[9][10], Canada and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization

It is a matter of grave concern that individuals residing within the European Union and who publicly side with Hamas cannot be sentenced to life-imprisonment which would be the just reward for so heinous a crime as siding with Hamas.

Clearly, we urgently require a strong version of the Patriot Act for Europe.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Democracy isn't an exportable commodity. If you want Fatah to get into power, Fatah's gonna have to get more competent at providing basic services for the inhabitants of Gaza.

Which means Hamas is going to have to stop threatening Fatah. Which means Hamas is going to have to stop using fear as a weapon.

When you get rid of anything to be afraid of, Hamas cannot use fear as a weapon. Israel is presenting itself as a bogeyman. They know this is Hamas' greatest instrument of control, but acting tough and throwing out rhetoric about "retaliation" will score them points with fanatical nationalist parties in parliament, so they don't fix that.

[Costa Alegria]

They have killed some people, you know? So there is more than meets the eye.

Well, I'm familiar with Fatah's violent past, as are most people on this thread (I hope). I never thought them as any sort of peaceful bureacrats or kleptocrats as the case maybe. I'm unsure what you're implying.

They are the lesser of two evils. Think of it as that nationalist Irish party that has the funny name and Martin McGuinness as one of it's members and the Real IRA.

You know which one you'd rather deal with. Israel would rather deal with Abbas than whatever that crazy bearded man runs Gaza.