Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[Vitaphone Racing]

Reduced the number of rockets fired into Israel by 75%.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/terrorism-+ob ... t_lead.htm

LOLOLOL

"WHAT DID IT DO"
'Stop the rockets.'

Love you vitaphone. Always a voice of reason in whatever thread I join.

Right back at you bro, it's good to have love

LOLOLOL

"WHAT DID IT DO"
'Stop the rockets.'

Love you vitaphone. Always a voice of reason in whatever thread I join.

i don't see what's so LOLOLOL about it, tbh. it makes you sound like someone that's more interested in "winning" points and fellating posters you think are totally cool instead of anything constructive.

this isn't 4chan. LOLOLOL told!!!

do as i say, not as i post.

Oh come on. Out of all the things you could say back to me, you choose to address Ralk? This the first time in months I've emerged from my ultra-radical right wing fortress and tried to have any level of meaningful dialect with you, don't throw this opportunity away.

[Souseiseki]

LOLOLOL

"WHAT DID IT DO"
'Stop the rockets.'

Love you vitaphone. Always a voice of reason in whatever thread I join.

Right back at you bro, it's good to have love

i don't see what's so LOLOLOL about it, tbh. it makes you sound like someone that's more interested in "winning" points and fellating posters you think are totally cool instead of anything constructive.

this isn't 4chan. LOLOLOL told!!!

do as i say, not as i post.

Oh come on. Out of all the things you could say back to me, you choose to address Ralk? This the first time in months I've emerged from my ultra-radical right wing fortress and tried to have any level of meaningful dialect with you, don't throw this opportunity away.

i was kinda planning on going to bed but LOLOLOL spurred me to action. i'd kind of prefer if we could have an meaningful dialect about statistics we may have not been aware of or overlooked without having to deal with scyophants adding nothing to the discussion except cheerrleading and point scoring. i mean like i said i don't see how providing statistics constitutes a LOLOLOL. you show me how that shit is conductive to a good faith debate.

i was focused on the fact that hamas was enforcing the ceasefire and trying to get other groups/individuals to stop firing their shitty rockets that resulted in 0 casualties over the months and ended up with an increase from 0 deaths to 4 deaths in israel and 14 to 465 in palestine. now whether that counts as "worked" as per costa we could probably argue, but i guess it looks like based on those statistics we can conclude we ended up with a reduction in the number of rockets (shit arse qassams?) and an increase in the number of deaths. (infinite %, lol!)

i'd be pretty interested in a breakdown of the kind of rockets if there is one, because reducing the number of shitty rockets while simultaneously starting shit back up with the people that have half-decent rockets doesn't really seem like a good trade off. but oh well.

i asked a question, i got an answer. then i got laughed at for getting my question answered. what the fuck is this.

it's nice you mention ultra right-wing fortress, reminds you still haven't said how you're not right wing beyond the fact you don't agree with the american republican party. which reminds me some of the most far right people i know don't either. but let's not get into that.

[Souseiseki]

although for the record due to past fun i trust .gov.il as far as i can throw it, which wouldn't be pretty far, because even if i could throw websites they have tanks and tanks are heavy. i'd probably have looked more into it tomorrow, but LOLOLOL.

[Souseiseki]

I'm not your distraction so you can get out of answering him.

Don't you dare question my integrity. Don't I have a backlog of posts you haven't answered? I think I managed to prompt you to answer one, but that took several days, and it was still only one.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Right back at you bro, it's good to have love


Oh come on. Out of all the things you could say back to me, you choose to address Ralk? This the first time in months I've emerged from my ultra-radical right wing fortress and tried to have any level of meaningful dialect with you, don't throw this opportunity away.

i was kinda planning on going to bed but LOLOLOL spurred me to action. i'd kind of prefer if we could have an meaningful dialect about statistics we may have not been aware of or overlooked without having to deal with scyophants adding nothing to the discussion except cheerrleading and point scoring. i mean like i said i don't see how providing statistics constitutes a LOLOLOL. you show me how that shit is conductive to a good faith debate.

i was focused on the fact that hamas was enforcing the ceasefire and trying to get other groups/individuals to stop firing their shitty rockets that resulted in 0 casualties over the months and ended up with an increase from 0 deaths to 4 deaths in israel and 14 to 465 in palestine. now whether that counts as "worked" as per costa we could probably argue, but i guess it looks like based on those statistics we can conclude we ended up with a reduction in the number of rockets (shit arse qassams?) and an increase in the number of deaths. (infinite %, lol!)

i'd be pretty interested in a breakdown of the kind of rockets if there is one, because reducing the number of shitty rockets while simultaneously starting shit back up with the people that have half-decent rockets doesn't really seem like a good trade off. but oh well.

i asked a question, i got an answer. then i got laughed at for getting my question answered. what the fuck is this.

it's nice you mention ultra right-wing fortress, reminds you still haven't said how you're not right wing beyond the fact you don't agree with the american republican party. which reminds me some of the most far right people i know don't either. but let's not get into that.

You say shitty rockets like it makes a difference. It doens't fucking matter if they're shooting tomahawk missiles or lobbing molotov cocktails with catapults; the intent to blow up large portions of the Israeli countryside is still there and that's all that matters. I don't see why you think Israel should have just rolled with it rather than eradicate the problem. Hamas, lets assume they didn't fire any rockets, made no attempt whatsoever to bring to justice those who continued to flout the ceasefire or those who took immediate advantage of the cancellation of the ceasefire by Hamas. So no, Hamas is not innocent here in any sense of the word.

If you want me to be right wing, I'll be right wing for you. Anything for you honeybuns.

[Vitaphone Racing]

although for the record due to past fun i trust .gov.il as far as i can throw it, which wouldn't be pretty far, because even if i could throw websites they have tanks and tanks are heavy. i'd probably have looked more into it tomorrow, but LOLOLOL.

Two sides to every story bro. Wouldn't hurt you to read some conflicting evidence once in a while. I've been putting up with your pro-Hamas shit for years.

[Ralkovia]

I'm not your distraction so you can get out of answering him.

Don't you dare question my integrity. Don't I have a backlog of posts you haven't answered? I think I managed to prompt you to answer one, but that took several days, and it was still only one.

Find them. I'll honestly tell you that I don't look through threads unless I repeatedly post in them. So it's entirely possible that I missed yours.

although for the record due to past fun i trust .gov.il as far as i can throw it, which wouldn't be pretty far, because even if i could throw websites they have tanks and tanks are heavy. i'd probably have looked more into it tomorrow, but LOLOLOL.

And the UN/BBC/others aren't exactly well known for being unbiased.

Right back at you bro, it's good to have love


Oh come on. Out of all the things you could say back to me, you choose to address Ralk? This the first time in months I've emerged from my ultra-radical right wing fortress and tried to have any level of meaningful dialect with you, don't throw this opportunity away.

i was kinda planning on going to bed but LOLOLOL spurred me to action. i'd kind of prefer if we could have an meaningful dialect about statistics we may have not been aware of or overlooked without having to deal with scyophants adding nothing to the discussion except cheerrleading and point scoring. i mean like i said i don't see how providing statistics constitutes a LOLOLOL. you show me how that shit is conductive to a good faith debate.

i was focused on the fact that hamas was enforcing the ceasefire and trying to get other groups/individuals to stop firing their shitty rockets that resulted in 0 casualties over the months and ended up with an increase from 0 deaths to 4 deaths in israel and 14 to 465 in palestine. now whether that counts as "worked" as per costa we could probably argue, but i guess it looks like based on those statistics we can conclude we ended up with a reduction in the number of rockets (shit arse qassams?) and an increase in the number of deaths. (infinite %, lol!)

i'd be pretty interested in a breakdown of the kind of rockets if there is one, because reducing the number of shitty rockets while simultaneously starting shit back up with the people that have half-decent rockets doesn't really seem like a good trade off. but oh well.

i asked a question, i got an answer. then i got laughed at for getting my question answered. what the fuck is this.

it's nice you mention ultra right-wing fortress, reminds you still haven't said how you're not right wing beyond the fact you don't agree with the american republican party. which reminds me some of the most far right people i know don't either. but let's not get into that.

Laughing at you was immature of me. I'll admit it. However, it was just the matter of factness that Vitaphone answered you by. You made an assertion and he crushed it.
As for deaths, the alternative is to be pelted by rockets and have air raid sirens going off every day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ogyQCdkfO0

We probably won't agree since you might view the death of one person infinitely more tragic than millions of people living in fear of rocket, but in Israel they don't want to live in fear.

[Souseiseki]

You say shitty rockets like it makes a difference. It doens't fucking matter if they're shooting tomahawk missiles or lobbing molotov cocktails with catapults; the intent to blow up large portions of the Israeli countryside is still there and that's all that matters.

Of course, this translates into 0 deaths. And then they broke their ceasefire with the people that actually can kill people, for the sake of stopping the shitty rockets by idiots that get shot down or do nothing? It seems like it does make a difference. I am not going to pretend a shit rocket build out of a tube and literal horse shit is the same as a more complex more dangerous rocket because of the magic of will.

I don't see why you think Israel should have just rolled with it rather than eradicate the problem

But the problem wasn't eradicated, was it? "it has brought a large measure of peace and quiet to Israeli communities near Gaza.", and then it was ended, and Israelis actually started dying.

Hamas, lets assume they didn't fire any rockets,

"There have been a number of violations of the ceasefire on the Gaza side, but Palestinian factions other than Hamas were responsible."

made no attempt whatsoever to bring to justice those who continued to flout the ceasefire

"Hacham said the Israelis assess that Hamas is making a serious effort to convince the other factions not to launch rockets or mortars."

[Vitaphone Racing]

You say shitty rockets like it makes a difference. It doens't fucking matter if they're shooting tomahawk missiles or lobbing molotov cocktails with catapults; the intent to blow up large portions of the Israeli countryside is still there and that's all that matters.

Of course, this translates into 0 deaths. And then they broke their ceasefire with the people that actually can kill people, for the sake of stopping the shitty rockets by idiots that get shot down or do nothing? It seems like it does make a difference. I am not going to pretend a shit rocket build out of a tube and literal horse shit is the same as a more complex more dangerous rocket because of the magic of will.

Even though Hamas fires the same rockets which find their way into Gaza through the same underground paths and sent to Gaza by the same people who want to remove Israel from the world. Yes, there is a mahical and inherant difference between the rockets Hamas has and the rockets which the rest of the smaller groups have.

And still, it's fucking irrelevant. If I shot at your house with a HMG or a fucking blunderbuss, it's still illegal.

I don't see why you think Israel should have just rolled with it rather than eradicate the problem

But the problem wasn't eradicated, was it? "it has brought a large measure of peace and quiet to Israeli communities near Gaza.", and then it was ended, and Israelis actually started dying.

I don't know, but reducing rocket attacks substantially for at least two and a half years seems like a pretty good deal.

Hamas, lets assume they didn't fire any rockets,

"There have been a number of violations of the ceasefire on the Gaza side, but Palestinian factions other than Hamas were responsible."

Says who?

Anyway, lets still assume they didn't fire any rockets like I just said before you felt reason to qualify my statement.

made no attempt whatsoever to bring to justice those who continued to flout the ceasefire

"Hacham said the Israelis assess that Hamas is making a serious effort to convince the other factions not to launch rockets or mortars."

Oh my! They made a serious effort to convince the other factions to to launch rockets and mortars! You mean they actually came down and told them politely not to do it? Wow! Hamas is really starting to crack down on them then!

Find me some reports of Hamas arresting those who launched rockets into Israel please.

[Souseiseki]

Find them. I'll honestly tell you that I don't look through threads unless I repeatedly post in them. So it's entirely possible that I missed yours.

I might hold you up on that. Unfortunately much like Vitaphone Racing, you too might be on the other side of the world. ):

And the UN/BBC/others aren't exactly well known for being unbiased.

I've posted an example of what could considered to be BBC bias in this thead. ):

Laughing at you was immature of me. I'll admit it. However, it was just the matter of factness that Vitaphone answered you by. You made an assertion and he crushed it.

Assertion? Crushed?

I "asserted" that deaths increased, he has not crushed this. I then asked a question. And then he answered it. It doesn't actually tell me what the other poster meant when he says Cast Lead worked, but it gives me an idea. I was not aware asking legitimate questions and getting legitimate answers was indeed a ring of gladiatorial combat where Vitaphone Racing has crushed me so.

We probably won't agree since you might view the death of one person infinitely more tragic than millions of people living in fear of rocket, but in Israel they don't want to live in fear.

When you say one death I'm not sure if you're using a symbolic number of making a reference to actual Israeli deaths. Mmm. Deaths are very important, yes.

I mean, speaking of fear, "it has brought a large measure of peace and quiet to Israeli communities near Gaza." sounds like it was working pretty well.

[Souseiseki]

Even though Hamas fires the same rockets which find their way into Gaza through the same underground paths and sent to Gaza by the same people who want to remove Israel from the world. Yes, there is a mahical and inherant difference between the rockets Hamas has and the rockets which the rest of the smaller groups have.

It was my understand that indeed things like Grads were superior to Qassams and other home made garbage and that accessing them is much harder for random shitheads?

I'm scared to ask questions now. ;o;

Says who?

Israel.

Find me some reports of Hamas arresting those who launched rockets into Israel please.

"It took some days, but they were largely successful. Hamas imposed its will and even imprisoned some of those who were firing rockets."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/20/world ... t=cse&_r=0

Do you accept the New York Times?

Lest we forget,"The truce started slowly, with the UN recording seven IDF violations of the ceasefire between June 20 and June 26, and three violations by Palestinian groups not affiliated with Hamas between June 23 and 26."; "On 19 June 2008, just a few hours after the beginning of the ceasefire Israeli forces opened fire against fishermen and farmers in Gaza. Also on 23 June, Israeli forces opened fire against children and farmers in northern Gaza Strip, wounding one of the farmers, Jameel 'Abdul Rahman al-Ghoul, 68, in the neck. And on 25 June, Israeli forces opened fire against farmers in southeastern Gaza Strip, inuring Salem Ahmed Abu Raida, 82, in the hand".

[Srboslavija]

NSG urges the US, UN, NATO for foreign intervention in the Gaza Strip to protect the lives of innocent civilians. #GazaUnderSeige #FreeGaza

[The Emerald Dawn]

NSG urges the US, UN, NATO for foreign intervention in the Gaza Strip to protect the lives of innocent civilians. #GazaUnderSeige #FreeGaza

I don't urge the US or NATO to do shit. The US can't afford another freaking war, and NATO is a little busy keeping Syria from getting completely ballsed up.

[Vitaphone Racing]

NSG urges the US, UN, NATO for foreign intervention in the Gaza Strip to protect the lives of innocent civilians. #GazaUnderSeige #FreeGaza

Who is this guy?

[The Emerald Dawn]

NSG urges the US, UN, NATO for foreign intervention in the Gaza Strip to protect the lives of innocent civilians. #GazaUnderSeige #FreeGaza

Who is this guy?

Srboslavija?

[Gauntleted Fist]

NSG urges the US, UN, NATO for foreign intervention in the Gaza Strip to protect the lives of innocent civilians. #GazaUnderSeige #FreeGaza

I don't urge the US or NATO to do shit. The US can't afford another freaking war, and NATO is a little busy keeping Syria from getting completely ballsed up.

Oh, no, we could afford another war, but fucking hell would we bitch about it.

I'd rather make the argument that we don't need to intervene there. It's not a problem that, as has been adequately demonstrated in other countries, we are remotely equipped to solve.

[New England and The Maritimes]

I don't urge the US or NATO to do shit. The US can't afford another freaking war, and NATO is a little busy keeping Syria from getting completely ballsed up.

Oh, no, we could afford another war, but fucking hell would we bitch about it.

I'd rather make the argument that we don't need to intervene there. It's not a problem that, as has been adequately demonstrated in other countries, we are remotely equipped to solve.

No, we're plenty equipped to handle it. Members of our government at every level, however, will refuse to handle it. The US is not a neutral mediator anymore. The 1980s effectively ended any possible chance of the US negotiating peace in the middle east.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I don't urge the US or NATO to do shit. The US can't afford another freaking war, and NATO is a little busy keeping Syria from getting completely ballsed up.

Oh, no, we could afford another war, but fucking hell would we bitch about it.

I'd rather make the argument that we don't need to intervene there. It's not a problem that, as has been adequately demonstrated in other countries, we are remotely equipped to solve.

Eh, I didn't mean afford in the financial sense, I meant afford as in the logistical sense. Our servicemembers are really, really burnt out. I'd rather not completely break the bank on our human capital unless it directly involved an assault on the US mainland.

Not that I don't love me some Palestinian or Israeli folks, but I wouldn't want to borrow from Peter to watch Paul get surprised by some fucker who decided to strike at an inopportune moment.

[Ralkovia]

NSG urges the US, UN, NATO for foreign intervention in the Gaza Strip to protect the lives of innocent civilians. #GazaUnderSeige #FreeGaza

No. No we don't. Stop posting hash tags. We're not twitter.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Even though Hamas fires the same rockets which find their way into Gaza through the same underground paths and sent to Gaza by the same people who want to remove Israel from the world. Yes, there is a mahical and inherant difference between the rockets Hamas has and the rockets which the rest of the smaller groups have.

It was my understand that indeed things like Grads were superior to Qassams and other home made garbage and that accessing them is much harder for random shitheads?

I'm scared to ask questions now. ;o;

Just because Grads and Katyushas are as expensive as fuck compared to the DIY Qassam doesn't mean that the PFLP or Islamic Jihad can't get access to them.

Says who?

Israel.

You should cite things as you go, make things easier.

Find me some reports of Hamas arresting those who launched rockets into Israel please.

"It took some days, but they were largely successful. Hamas imposed its will and even imprisoned some of those who were firing rockets."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/20/world ... t=cse&_r=0

Do you accept the New York Times?

Lest we forget,"The truce started slowly, with the UN recording seven IDF violations of the ceasefire between June 20 and June 26, and three violations by Palestinian groups not affiliated with Hamas between June 23 and 26."; "On 19 June 2008, just a few hours after the beginning of the ceasefire Israeli forces opened fire against fishermen and farmers in Gaza. Also on 23 June, Israeli forces opened fire against children and farmers in northern Gaza Strip, wounding one of the farmers, Jameel 'Abdul Rahman al-Ghoul, 68, in the neck. And on 25 June, Israeli forces opened fire against farmers in southeastern Gaza Strip, inuring Salem Ahmed Abu Raida, 82, in the hand".

Well it's written by someone is Gaza so am I allowed to say I don't trust it?

And this still begs the question, why did Hamas lift the ceasefire in the first place? On the day of the lifting of the ceasefire, 20 rockets were fired into Israel.
https://acs.thetimes.co.uk/?gotoUrl=htt ... dleeast%2F
Seems a funny coincidence. On the day Hamas lifted the ceasefire, several illegal groups happened to choose it as the day to disobey the ruling party and fire 20 rockets into Israel.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Eh, I didn't mean afford in the financial sense, I meant afford as in the logistical sense. Our servicemembers are really, really burnt out. I'd rather not completely break the bank on our human capital unless it directly involved an assault on the US mainland.

I don't think this is an issue that would prevent us from fighting another war, or even another several. We'd certainly have to pick up a lot on combat duty rotation, though.

Not that I don't love me some Palestinian or Israeli folks, but I wouldn't want to borrow from Peter to watch Paul get surprised by some fucker who decided to strike at an inopportune moment.

Anyone that's stupid enough to attack the US mainland deserves what they get. But it's not my job to plan for it so I guess it's okay to be aware of the possibility.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Foreign intervention in the Gaza strip would most likely be to remove the shitty self-instilled leadership and replacing it with someone who actually gets shit done, like Fatah.

[Sulamalik]

Foreign intervention in the Gaza strip would most likely be to remove the shitty self-instilled leadership and replacing it with someone who actually gets shit done, like Fatah.

Democracy isn't an exportable commodity. If you want Fatah to get into power, Fatah's gonna have to get more competent at providing basic services for the inhabitants of Gaza.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Foreign intervention in the Gaza strip would most likely be to remove the shitty self-instilled leadership and replacing it with someone who actually gets shit done, like Fatah.

Democracy isn't an exportable commodity. If you want Fatah to get into power, Fatah's gonna have to get more competent at providing basic services for the inhabitants of Gaza.

Which means Hamas is going to have to stop threatening Fatah. Which means Hamas is going to have to stop using fear as a weapon.

[Sulamalik]

Democracy isn't an exportable commodity. If you want Fatah to get into power, Fatah's gonna have to get more competent at providing basic services for the inhabitants of Gaza.

Which means Hamas is going to have to stop threatening Fatah. Which means Hamas is going to have to stop using fear as a weapon.

Which means asking Hamas to not be Hamas.