Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[The Mizarian Empire]

This won't stop Hamas from conducting it's strikes any more than the death of Osama Bin Laden stopped the attacks of Al-Qaeda. Will/Could it be a setback? Of course, however terrorist organizations often rely on individual;independent cells. Someone else will simply take over/be elected and the bloodshed will begin anew. Not to mention said cells don't rely on a chain of command like a conventional military, it might make organizing large-scale attacks more difficult but the damage is still being done in the end. Whether it be from a dozen mortar shells dropping on 1 precise target or scattered across different locales throughout the country.

[Socialist EU]

This is a land war as far as I can see, unless you want to redefine Israel's action as state terrorism?

As far as the Law of the Federal Republic of Germany can see it's Terrorism. The 'unless' can drop off a cliff.

If you want to talk about a War, then you're dealing with a case of violating a neutral nation, DURING the Olympics no less,in order to perpetrate a war-crime, specifically gunning down a number of carefully picked civilians, hosed down at point-blank-range, the whole incident occurring under the Sacrosanct circumstances of the Olympic Games.
Terrorism is less of a mouth-full, wouldn't you say?

So I call it Terrorism, as opposed to a case of violating a neutral nation, DURING the Olympics no less,in order to perpetrate a war-crime, specifically gunning down a number of carefully picked civilians, hosed down at point-blank-range, the whole incident occurring under the Sacrosanct circumstances of the Olympic Games.

In short, Terrorism.

And that definition applies to the warzone, how? It's a war, I don't see anything to do with "poitblank" ranges, ect that applies to the fighting in Israel/Gaza. All you're talikng about is abstractions, that is the best you can come up with and you egotistically think that clinchs the argument? It does not, in fact it creates confusion, which I think is intentional.

[Norsklow]

And that definition applies to the warzone, how? It's a war, I don't see anything to do with "poitblank" ranges, ect that applies to the fighting in Israel/Gaza. All you're talikng about is abstractions, that is the best you can come up with and you egotistically think that clinchs the argument? It does not, in fact it creates confusion, which I think is intentional.

The names he was responding to were the names of the athletes gunned down in Munich 1972.

He said it was too bad for them and all. He certainly was aware who they were.

So I call it Terrorism, as opposed to calling it a case of violating a neutral nation, DURING the Olympics no less,in order to perpetrate a war-crime, specifically gunning down a number of carefully picked civilians, hosed down at point-blank-range, the whole incident occurring under the Sacrosanct circumstances of the Olympic Games - which is what you need to use to see it as an act in a land war.

In short, Terrorism.

[Souseiseki]

This won't stop Hamas from conducting it's strikes any more than the death of Osama Bin Laden stopped the attacks of Al-Qaeda. Will/Could it be a setback? Of course, however terrorist organizations often rely on individual;independent cells. Someone else will simply take over/be elected and the bloodshed will begin anew. Not to mention said cells don't rely on a chain of command like a conventional military, it might make organizing large-scale attacks more difficult but the damage is still being done in the end. Whether it be from a dozen mortar shells dropping on 1 precise target or scattered across different locales throughout the country.

SHIELD: Situational Hostile Initiative, Engage Defense or SHIELD protocols (Defcon)

that'd be SHIED

Stuational
HHostile
Initiative
Engage
L - there is no l after engage or in defence. it does not work. there is no L.
D

why is norsklow talking about germany in the israel thread again. he's really bad at this. at least it's not the RAF again.

[Norsklow]

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[Socialist EU]

And that definition applies to the warzone, how? It's a war, I don't see anything to do with "poitblank" ranges, ect that applies to the fighting in Israel/Gaza. All you're talikng about is abstractions, that is the best you can come up with and you egotistically think that clinchs the argument? It does not, in fact it creates confusion, which I think is intentional.

The names he was responding to were the names of the athletes gunned down in Munich 1972.

He said it was too bad for them and all. He certainly was aware who they were.

So I call it Terrorism, as opposed to calling it a case of violating a neutral nation, DURING the Olympics no less,in order to perpetrate a war-crime, specifically gunning down a number of carefully picked civilians, hosed down at point-blank-range, the whole incident occurring under the Sacrosanct circumstances of the Olympic Games.

In short, Terrorism.

Now you're going off topic, the OP doesn't say, "Did the gunning down of athletes in Munich 1972, constitute terrorism"?

Dismissed.

[Norsklow]

Did Yossef Gutfreund deserve it? Did Yakov Springer? Andre Spitzer? Don't act like the Palestinians are paragons of virtue, cause they aren't

Guess they picked the wrong occupying power to represent at the Olympics.

I still feel bad for them on a personal level.

Right there.

The names he was responding to were the names of the athletes gunned down in Munich 1972.

He said it was too bad for them and all. He certainly was aware who they were.

So I call it Terrorism, as opposed to calling it a case of violating a neutral nation, DURING the Olympics no less,in order to perpetrate a war-crime, specifically gunning down a number of carefully picked civilians, hosed down at point-blank-range, the whole incident occurring under the Sacrosanct circumstances of the Olympic Games.

In short, Terrorism.

Now,what, EXACTLY is your complaint?

[Socialist EU]

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##Just in case Socialist EU and Souseki missed it.

Ok, , I can see your point there.

F**k, knows what went on with the quote button by the way.

[Tmutarakhan]

Where else would they have their war zone? The fact of the matter is that there are no rules to warfare, and quite honestly neither side really cares about civilian casualties, no matter what they say.

There are plenty of rules to warfare. Both sides do care about civilian casualties. how and to what degree they care may be different, but they do care.

The Palestinian side cares in that they want as many civilian casualties as possible. Their attacks on the Israelis are INTENDED to kill civilians. They also want as many Palestinian civilians killed as possible, so that they can score propaganda points off them.

[Socialist EU]

There are plenty of rules to warfare. Both sides do care about civilian casualties. how and to what degree they care may be different, but they do care.

The Palestinian side cares in that they want as many civilian casualties as possible. Their attacks on the Israelis are INTENDED to kill civilians. They also want as many Palestinian civilians killed as possible, so that they can score propaganda points off them.

You don't know that for sure, thus, you're just stating opinion as fact.

[Seperates]

There are plenty of rules to warfare. Both sides do care about civilian casualties. how and to what degree they care may be different, but they do care.

The Palestinian side cares in that they want as many civilian casualties as possible. Their attacks on the Israelis are INTENDED to kill civilians. They also want as many Palestinian civilians killed as possible, so that they can score propaganda points off them.

If you are so sure, then why is Israel playing right into their hands?

[Jetan]

The Arabs ganged on Israel, not the otherway around.


Aaand there goes the last crumb of your credibility.

No one cares what a Zionist shill thinks.

So disagreeing with you means I'm on Israeli Governments payroll. Suuuuuure.

[Souseiseki]

No one cares what a Zionist shill thinks.

So disagreeing with you means I'm on Israeli Governments payroll. Suuuuuure.

"In 2009, Israel's foreign ministry organized volunteers to add pro-Israeli commentary on news websites. In July 2009, it was announced that the Israeli Foreign Ministry would assemble an "internet warfare" squad to spread a pro-Israel message on various websites, with funding of 600,000 shekels (c $150,000)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool

*stare*

[Souseiseki]

No one cares what a Zionist shill thinks.

So disagreeing with you means I'm on Israeli Governments payroll. Suuuuuure.

what are your crimes

[Norsklow]

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##Just in case Socialist EU and Souseki missed it.

SNIP

F**k, knows what went on with the quote button by the way.

I had the wrong quote, so I backed up until I had the actual names of the people involved in the exchange and the names that they mentioned. Since the matter is settled, I shall spare you another Ciceronean Declamation.

[Socialist EU]

SNIP

F**k, knows what went on with the quote button by the way.

I had the wrong quote, so I backed up until I had the actual names of the people involved in the exchange and the names that they mentioned. Since the matter is settled, I shall spare you another Ciceronean Declamation.

Ok,

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

He's a 16 year Israeli civilian that acknowledges that Israel treats Palestinians like shit but also believes Israel has the right to defend itself; not some frothing extremist zionist dreaming about turning Palestinian homes to rubble.You're demonising him merely for the fact that he was born in Israel....I hardly think that's fair.

Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself because it shouldn't exist. It's a living war crime and atrocity against humanity.

It may have committed war crimes. No-one's denying this.

That does not make Israel itself, its inhabitants and its existence a war crime. The existence of a Jewish state in the wake of the Holocaust, the need to do something, shows human decency on a grand scale. It's been poorly implemented and racked with problems from beginning to now, but that does not make a Jewish homeland in and of itself something evil.

I get the feeling Natives in North America felt like this before they wiped out... "Oh the poor colonists have a right to defend themselves, even if they give you smallpox!"

What's the disease here? If there isn't one, your analogy is a terrible one.

[Jetan]

So disagreeing with you means I'm on Israeli Governments payroll. Suuuuuure.

"In 2009, Israel's foreign ministry organized volunteers to add pro-Israeli commentary on news websites. In July 2009, it was announced that the Israeli Foreign Ministry would assemble an "internet warfare" squad to spread a pro-Israel message on various websites, with funding of 600,000 shekels (c $150,000)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool

*stare*

I didn't know that. Still, I doubt Israel is the only nation which does this sort of thing.

So disagreeing with you means I'm on Israeli Governments payroll. Suuuuuure.

what are your crimes

What do you mean? I don't understand what you mean with this.

[Divair]

Off to bed as more reservists are called up. Here's to hoping peace prevails and I don't get bombed on and die overnight

[Costa Alegria]

It's all over the Western News, on Al Jezzera it's more focused on the Palestinians. It's more a bias think. Plus I get most of my news from AJE anyway so I see that news ever time an Israeli soldier farts near Gaza. I just sort of assumed it was a universal thing

I remember watching it every night on the news during 2006. And this was in NZ.

[New England and The Maritimes]

I don't understand all this talk about "retaliation." Israel has been engaging in "retaliation" for decades, and it hasn't worked. They're just beating drums to pile up more dead bodies at this point.

[Tmutarakhan]

The Palestinian side cares in that they want as many civilian casualties as possible. Their attacks on the Israelis are INTENDED to kill civilians. They also want as many Palestinian civilians killed as possible, so that they can score propaganda points off them.

If you are so sure, then why is Israel playing right into their hands?

The Israeli government's job is to minimize the number of Israelis killed, and killing Palestinian militants has been very effective in bringing the Israeli death toll down (the wall has been even more effective). We could wish that they would be more concerned about how many Palestinian civilians get killed "collaterally" but that really has not been their #1 priority, and it is never going to be. As for "playing into their hands" by letting Palestinians propagandize about the evil genocidal Israelis blah blah blah, well-- how's that been working out for the Palestinians?

[Ethel mermania]

that's sad, but its Hamas's responsibility not to use civilian neighborhoods as a war zone. So the blame still goes on the guys shooting the rockets in the first place.

So would you say that if, as the example was earlier, Leon Panetta were to be blown up by Taliban forces in the middle of rush hour, the US would be responsible for civilian casualties?

(Or any drone operator in the US controlling drones launching attacks in Afghanistan / Pakistan)

panetta is a legitimate target for the taliban. if they get him in washington its collateral damage, unless the civilian deaths are a planned part of the operation.

[Costa Alegria]

I don't understand all this talk about "retaliation." Israel has been engaging in "retaliation" for decades, and it hasn't worked. They're just beating drums to pile up more dead bodies at this point.

Cast Lead seemed to work.

[Tmutarakhan]

I don't understand all this talk about "retaliation." Israel has been engaging in "retaliation" for decades, and it hasn't worked. They're just beating drums to pile up more dead bodies at this point.

It's worked very well. Compare the number of terrorist incidents lately to what used to go on.