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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:20 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:They either must be making those things which is pretty impressive manfactoring capabilities for a bombed out warzone or they are still rationing off the things and firing in bursts.

hey, some kind soul keep dropping shit we can scavenge!
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Postby The Zeonic States » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:21 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:They either must be making those things which is pretty impressive manfactoring capabilities for a bombed out warzone or they are still rationing off the things and firing in bursts.

hey, some kind soul keep dropping shit we can scavenge!


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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:22 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Divair wrote:The ceasefire never actually happened.

Yes, but didn't both sides commit to it and say it will come to effect before Hamas unilaterally withdrew by launching four rockets at Israel?

Hamas said: "We will offer a cease-fire, for now. With *X* conditions."
Egypt said: "What are you talking about? You never sent anything to us?"
Israel said: "What are you talking about? And these 'conditions' are a pile of ass and recoil."

Then the deadline happened, Hamas went and got some halal, and lobbed some rockets Eastish.

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Postby Knask » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:24 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:I did not miss that at all. You just don't seem to understand my response. There would be NO deaths, NONE at all, neither Israeli nor Palestinian dead, except that the Palestinians have chosen this.

It's silly of them to not accept an occupation. They should just live silently in their refugee camps and everybody would be happy.

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:25 pm

Knask wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:I did not miss that at all. You just don't seem to understand my response. There would be NO deaths, NONE at all, neither Israeli nor Palestinian dead, except that the Palestinians have chosen this.

It's silly of them to not accept an occupation. They should just live silently in their refugee camps and everybody would be happy.


id rather live under Israeli occupation than Hamas any day
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:25 pm

Souseiseki wrote:it's your fault we occupied you.

Yes, it was. Don't you have any idea how the occupation happened? It was in response to decades of terrorism from the Palestinians. And no, the terrorism didn't start in response to 1948 either; the reason for the partition plan was because of the decades of terrorism prior to that.
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Postby Knask » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:26 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
when was it loosened? it changes constantly.


In 2011 the Rafah crossing was opened permanently. And Gazans can enter Egypt without a visa.

On May 28, 2011, the Rafah border was opened for Palestinians to cross into Egypt. Most travel restrictions were dropped, though men between the ages of 18 to 40 entering Egypt must apply for visas and others need travel permits.

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Postby Knask » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Knask wrote:It's silly of them to not accept an occupation. They should just live silently in their refugee camps and everybody would be happy.


id rather live under Israeli occupation than Hamas any day

And those are the only two options.

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:27 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:it's your fault we occupied you.

Yes, it was. Don't you have any idea how the occupation happened? It was in response to decades of terrorism from the Palestinians. And no, the terrorism didn't start in response to 1948 either; the reason for the partition plan was because of the decades of terrorism prior to that.

yes, indeed, there was plenty of jewish and muslim terrorism before 1948

e: jewish/muslim is almost definitely the wrong words for it but ah fuck i'm too tired
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:28 pm

Knask wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
id rather live under Israeli occupation than Hamas any day

And those are the only two options.


Well then pic Israel

apparently they had only two options with hamas and fatah, now they have another. :)
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:30 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:Why not? You buy plenty of other BS. You are the one who openly advocates nuclear devastation: if you were in Saddam's place I am sure you would be building bombs and lying about it.


Except there was no evidence of there actually being any uranium on site and the fact it was a civilian project not even close to any Military faculity made no diffrence, the fact it was crewed and being built by civilians.

You know what; Buy into the lies Isreal spewed about that little incident, I don't espeically care.

The fact it was abandoned indicated to me at least that any Military import that faculity had was minor if at all, and as well know Iraq never had Nuclear weapons, If they truely wanted to aquire them there are better ways then building a sprawling, expensive and energy effience nuclear power station.

So: give me your explanation of Israel's motives. They just decided to randomly bomb a power station? There are plenty of other random power stations. I think their intelligence services know a lot more than you do. And the whole argument is very ironic coming from you, the perfect example of why they need to worry about their enemies building bombs.
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:31 pm

Hamas just executed what they claim to be 6 informants, then dragged their bodies through the street using motorcycles.
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Postby Knask » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:31 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Knask wrote:And those are the only two options.


Well then pic Israel

Fine.

Why do you want to destroy Israel?

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:32 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:Yes, it was. Don't you have any idea how the occupation happened? It was in response to decades of terrorism from the Palestinians. And no, the terrorism didn't start in response to 1948 either; the reason for the partition plan was because of the decades of terrorism prior to that.

yes, indeed, there was plenty of jewish and muslim terrorism before 1948

The terrorism was entirely one-sided for the first few decades. In 1937 the Revisionist Zionists (of which Likud is in many ways an institutional successor) did begin terrorist campaigns. Do not, however, try to pretend that there is any question about who chose to make random murder their primary practice.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:33 pm

Knask wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:I did not miss that at all. You just don't seem to understand my response. There would be NO deaths, NONE at all, neither Israeli nor Palestinian dead, except that the Palestinians have chosen this.

It's silly of them to not accept an occupation. They should just live silently in their refugee camps and everybody would be happy.

They chose the occupation.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, a comedy to those who think, and a musical to those who sing.

I am the very model of a Nation States General,
I am a holy terror to apologists Confederal,
When called upon to source a line, I give citations textual,
And argue about Palestine, and marriage homosexual!


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Postby Khodoristan » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:34 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
Except there was no evidence of there actually being any uranium on site and the fact it was a civilian project not even close to any Military faculity made no diffrence, the fact it was crewed and being built by civilians.

You know what; Buy into the lies Isreal spewed about that little incident, I don't espeically care.

The fact it was abandoned indicated to me at least that any Military import that faculity had was minor if at all, and as well know Iraq never had Nuclear weapons, If they truely wanted to aquire them there are better ways then building a sprawling, expensive and energy effience nuclear power station.

So: give me your explanation of Israel's motives. They just decided to randomly bomb a power station? There are plenty of other random power stations. I think their intelligence services know a lot more than you do. And the whole argument is very ironic coming from you, the perfect example of why they need to worry about their enemies building bombs.


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Postby Divair » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:34 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Hamas just executed what they claim to be 6 informants, then dragged their bodies through the street using motorcycles.

Fun times in the Middle East.

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Postby Knask » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:35 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Knask wrote:It's silly of them to not accept an occupation. They should just live silently in their refugee camps and everybody would be happy.

They chose the occupation.

And that's why they should just accept it and stay in their refugee camps. As I said.

Especially people younger than 25 years old. They should carry the blame for the past like good catholics.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:36 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:yes, indeed, there was plenty of jewish and muslim terrorism before 1948

The terrorism was entirely one-sided for the first few decades. In 1937 the Revisionist Zionists (of which Likud is in many ways an institutional successor) did begin terrorist campaigns. Do not, however, try to pretend that there is any question about who chose to make random murder their primary practice.

lecture me uguuu
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:37 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Yes, but didn't both sides commit to it and say it will come to effect before Hamas unilaterally withdrew by launching four rockets at Israel?

Hamas said: "We will offer a cease-fire, for now. With *X* conditions."
Egypt said: "What are you talking about? You never sent anything to us?"
Israel said: "What are you talking about? And these 'conditions' are a pile of ass and recoil."

Then the deadline happened, Hamas went and got some halal, and lobbed some rockets Eastish.

Okay.
So, most likely sky was misinformed when it delivered the report.
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Postby Fellrike » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:37 pm

I think Iran helped promote this conflict. The mullahs began smuggling bigger and more powerful missiles into Gaza through Sudan and Egypt after the MBs took power in Cairo. They have two goals: first, to deter Israel from launching airstrikes against its nuclear facilities, by demonstrating their ability to retaliate by having their clients in Gaza (and Lebanon) fire missiles into Israeli cities. Second, to relieve the pressure Turkey and the Gulf Arab monarchies were putting on their ally al Assad in Syria by aiding their fellow Sunnis fighting to destroy his regime, by redirecting their hostility towards Israel and away from the Shia Iranian-Syrian-Hezbollah axis. A Shia versus Sunni confrontation, which could be exploited by Israel and the West, was beginning to take shape, and surely this is the last thing the mullahs want. Better to encourage a new war in Gaza as a diversion, to unite all Muslims, Arabs and Turks, Shia and Sunni alike, against a common adversary, the Israelis.
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Postby Divair » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:39 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Hamas said: "We will offer a cease-fire, for now. With *X* conditions."
Egypt said: "What are you talking about? You never sent anything to us?"
Israel said: "What are you talking about? And these 'conditions' are a pile of ass and recoil."

Then the deadline happened, Hamas went and got some halal, and lobbed some rockets Eastish.

Okay.
So, most likely sky was misinformed when it delivered the report.

Understandable. Everyone is confused right now. The entire place is a mess, even I'm beginning to lose track of certain things.


Not fun. I want to leave.

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Postby Khodoristan » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:40 pm

Divair wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Okay.
So, most likely sky was misinformed when it delivered the report.

Understandable. Everyone is confused right now. The entire place is a mess, even I'm beginning to lose track of certain things.


Not fun. I want to leave.


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Postby New Rogernomics » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:41 pm

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Postby Divair » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:41 pm

Khodoristan wrote:
Divair wrote:Understandable. Everyone is confused right now. The entire place is a mess, even I'm beginning to lose track of certain things.


Not fun. I want to leave.


You can't leave?

Too young.

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