Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[Souseiseki]

guys have you considered just lying down and taking it and hope israel treats you nice

look at the west bank, they stopped and look what happened. israel has stopped building settlements right? settlers who attack palestinians and IDF are punished right?

[Souseiseki]

two U.N. nations lol

i love people taking random nations and taking rocket attacks with no context in completely uncompilable scenarios, it's pretty cool

Which country are you from? Shall we start shooting rockets at your home? Would you appreciate that?

who am i blockading? whose land am i illegally building on? i wasn't aware of this???

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

the plant sat there unoccupied for a decade afterwards

Yeah, because if they ever started that shit again they would have gotten bombed worse.

That's an intentional link. Let's look at November, before the shitstorm, from that link. Palestinian bad things in red, Israeli bad things in blue.

November 4
Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket into Israel, causing no injuries or damage.
November 6
Following the shooting and subsequent death on the previous day of a Gazan civilian approaching the border with Israel, at 10:20am Palestinians fired a rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.
November 9
Following an Israeli incursion on the previous day into 'Abassan village and the killing of a 13 year-old Palestinian boy by Israeli gunfire, Palestinians fired two Qassam rockets into the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.
November 10
Palestinian militants fired an anti-tank missile at an IDF jeep patroling the border, wounding 4 soldiers. IDF forces responded with tank fire, killing 4 Palestinians on a football playground (aged 16,17,18 and 19) and wounding 38. Further airstrikes killed 2 Palestinian militants. Palestinians then fired 25 rockets at Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gan Yavne and other communities. The Iron Dome anti-rocket system intercepted at least one rocket aimed at Ashdod. IDF airstrikes destroyed several Palestinian targets which the IDF alleged were being used for military purposes, including a water tank, an electricty company office, a brick factory, a metal workshop, a concrete factory, a poultry farm, and an agricultural store, damaging several houses, and wounding 13 Palestinian civilians.
November 11
Gazan groups fired over 100 rockets and mortars at Israeli cities and towns. A barrage against Sderot, timed to coincide with the morning commute to work, injured 3 people. One victim, physical education teacher Moshik Levy, was moderately wounded by shrapnel and glass from his car windshield which exploded in his face. A fourth person was injured while fleeing for cover, and five more people were treated for acute stress reaction. Two homes, one in Sderot and one in the Eshkol Regional Council, were damaged by direct rocket hits. United States Ambassador Dan Shapiro declared that his country "supports Israel’s right to defend itself and its citizens from these attacks."
November 12
After a relatively calm night, Gaza gunmen fired nine rockets at southern Israel. Seven rockets were fired at the Negev region and two towards Ashkelon.

Number of civilians killed by Palestinians: 0 Number of civilians killed by IDF: 6

Do you see why blaming either side outright is not really a sensible option?

I totally disagree with your outlook. The Palestinians used to kill much more often and effectively; in recent years their capacity for murder has been greatly diminished; I say, GOOD, let's keep it that way. You are blaming the Israeli side for not taking enough deaths. It is the job of the Israeli defense forces to keep the number of Israeli deaths as low as possible. That means, not tolerating constant rocket launches or attempts to penetrate the border fences. If Palestinians had any interest in keeping their own casualties down, they could just: STOP THE SHIT.

I am not "blaming the Israelis for not taking enough deaths", I am pointing out that the IDF has killed more civilians in November, up to the whole war thing and indeed during, than the Palestinians.

The whole point I'm making is that handing outright blame to either side is bloody stupid. Did you miss that bit?

It is not a black-and-white issue. There are good Israelis and bad Israelis, and good Palestinians and bad Palestinians. Blaming "Israel" or "Palestine" outright is a ridiculous conclusion to draw and helps no-one.

[North Calaveras]

Actually Israel would stop if Hamas, oh wait that's right Hamas wants every jewish man/women and child dead. Kind of hard to negotiate with that.

I was actually talking about an unprovoked assault on an Iraqi Nuclear power plant which killed several civilians...Yeah i told you had jack to do with Hamas they have been doing shit like this for Way too long and they need stop or they need to pay for their actions.

Maybe that's why i don't care if Hamas wants them gone, Their hands are hardly spotless when it comes to blood either.

However seeing as how peaceful settlement cannot be reached between these two factions which you keep bringing up for some reason, Why would they not pull out? Let them self govern? National defense? If their anti missile systems and defenses work so well, if they keep killing Hamas leaders why does it even matter?

Hrm? Why not let them govern? Their Military capabilities have been revealed and according to Jew boasting it has nothing fear from it, then Pull out.

So leave Hamas alone and just say " well they don't kill a lot of us that often, so lets just ignore them" is a terrible approach since that guarntees continued violence towards israel without any backlash.

[Souseiseki]

i'll let you fire a qassam rocket at me from the same distance as gaza if you let me coordinate an israeli air strike on you

we'll see what happens

[Delanshar]

Which country are you from? Shall we start shooting rockets at your home? Would you appreciate that?

who am i blockading? whose land am i illegally building on? i wasn't aware of this???

Well that depends on where you live. Virtually every nation on Earth took that land from someone else.

[Souseiseki]

Yeah, because if they ever started that shit again they would have gotten bombed worse.

I totally disagree with your outlook. The Palestinians used to kill much more often and effectively; in recent years their capacity for murder has been greatly diminished; I say, GOOD, let's keep it that way. You are blaming the Israeli side for not taking enough deaths. It is the job of the Israeli defense forces to keep the number of Israeli deaths as low as possible. That means, not tolerating constant rocket launches or attempts to penetrate the border fences. If Palestinians had any interest in keeping their own casualties down, they could just: STOP THE SHIT.

I am not "blaming the Israelis for not taking enough deaths", I am pointing out that the IDF has killed more civilians in November, up to the whole war thing and indeed during, than the Palestinians.

The whole point I'm making is that handing outright blame to either side is bloody stupid. Did you miss that bit?

It is not a black-and-white issue. There are good Israelis and bad Israelis, and good Palestinians and bad Palestinians. Blaming "Israel" or "Palestine" outright is a ridiculous conclusion to draw and helps no-one.

so what do you guys think of the dahiya doctrine

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I am not "blaming the Israelis for not taking enough deaths", I am pointing out that the IDF has killed more civilians in November, up to the whole war thing and indeed during, than the Palestinians.

The whole point I'm making is that handing outright blame to either side is bloody stupid. Did you miss that bit?

It is not a black-and-white issue. There are good Israelis and bad Israelis, and good Palestinians and bad Palestinians. Blaming "Israel" or "Palestine" outright is a ridiculous conclusion to draw and helps no-one.

so what do you guys think of the dahiya doctrine

It's evil. Really, genuinely evil. But the IDF's high command =/= Israel as a whole.

[The Zeonic States]

I am not "blaming the Israelis for not taking enough deaths", I am pointing out that the IDF has killed more civilians in November, up to the whole war thing and indeed during, than the Palestinians.

The whole point I'm making is that handing outright blame to either side is bloody stupid. Did you miss that bit?

It is not a black-and-white issue. There are good Israelis and bad Israelis, and good Palestinians and bad Palestinians. Blaming "Israel" or "Palestine" outright is a ridiculous conclusion to draw and helps no-one.

so what do you guys think of the dahiya doctrine

I agree with the assement of "State Terrorism"

[Souseiseki]

who am i blockading? whose land am i illegally building on? i wasn't aware of this???

Well that depends on where you live. Virtually every nation on Earth took that land from someone else.

i mean if i'm blockadimg formerly chocolate, now concrete and wood from somewhere i'd really like to now about it like right now. am i building illegal settlements, right now? am i getting all "destroy the road and water" up in here? someone really needs to tell me this fuck

[The Zeonic States]

the plant sat there unoccupied for a decade afterwards

Yeah, because if they ever started that shit again they would have gotten bombed worse.

That's an intentional link. Let's look at November, before the shitstorm, from that link. Palestinian bad things in red, Israeli bad things in blue.

November 4
Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket into Israel, causing no injuries or damage.
November 6
Following the shooting and subsequent death on the previous day of a Gazan civilian approaching the border with Israel, at 10:20am Palestinians fired a rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.
November 9
Following an Israeli incursion on the previous day into 'Abassan village and the killing of a 13 year-old Palestinian boy by Israeli gunfire, Palestinians fired two Qassam rockets into the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.
November 10
Palestinian militants fired an anti-tank missile at an IDF jeep patroling the border, wounding 4 soldiers. IDF forces responded with tank fire, killing 4 Palestinians on a football playground (aged 16,17,18 and 19) and wounding 38. Further airstrikes killed 2 Palestinian militants. Palestinians then fired 25 rockets at Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gan Yavne and other communities. The Iron Dome anti-rocket system intercepted at least one rocket aimed at Ashdod. IDF airstrikes destroyed several Palestinian targets which the IDF alleged were being used for military purposes, including a water tank, an electricty company office, a brick factory, a metal workshop, a concrete factory, a poultry farm, and an agricultural store, damaging several houses, and wounding 13 Palestinian civilians.
November 11
Gazan groups fired over 100 rockets and mortars at Israeli cities and towns. A barrage against Sderot, timed to coincide with the morning commute to work, injured 3 people. One victim, physical education teacher Moshik Levy, was moderately wounded by shrapnel and glass from his car windshield which exploded in his face. A fourth person was injured while fleeing for cover, and five more people were treated for acute stress reaction. Two homes, one in Sderot and one in the Eshkol Regional Council, were damaged by direct rocket hits. United States Ambassador Dan Shapiro declared that his country "supports Israel’s right to defend itself and its citizens from these attacks."
November 12
After a relatively calm night, Gaza gunmen fired nine rockets at southern Israel. Seven rockets were fired at the Negev region and two towards Ashkelon.

Number of civilians killed by Palestinians: 0 Number of civilians killed by IDF: 6

Do you see why blaming either side outright is not really a sensible option?

I totally disagree with your outlook. The Palestinians used to kill much more often and effectively; in recent years their capacity for murder has been greatly diminished; I say, GOOD, let's keep it that way. You are blaming the Israeli side for not taking enough deaths. It is the job of the Israeli defense forces to keep the number of Israeli deaths as low as possible. That means, not tolerating constant rocket launches or attempts to penetrate the border fences. If Palestinians had any interest in keeping their own casualties down, they could just: STOP THE SHIT.

Oh you think Iraq stopped because of that? Or maybe Because the UN told France to pull out and cease their agreement with Iraq for Peaceful applications of Nuclear energy. A request such as this? I have no need to wonder why it came from, Honestly if you want to write off a attack that killed Civilians and damaged a civilian structure a tactic isreal seems ever so fond of Feel free.

I don't buy that BS though.

[Furaina]

How about both nations grow up, stop trying to blow each other to hell, and sit down at the table like civilized adults.

all this pointless warfare is dooming us, and indeed most of life on earth, to extinction.

[Souseiseki]

i mean if i was doing that shit i wouldn't be surprised if someone who's wife and kids i just bombed to fuck in a "surgical strike" no where near any militants at the time ended up at least |----------------| this pissed at me and started lashing out at me but in that case i'd perfectly justified in killing him and all his neighbours so

[Souseiseki]

How about both nations grow up, stop trying to blow each other to hell, and sit down at the table like civilized adults.

all this pointless warfare is dooming us, and indeed most of life on earth, to extinction.

because all the palestinians want to kill the jewz while the israeli government just wants peace and also the ability to continue doing the same things they were doing before ):

[North Calaveras]

How about both nations grow up, stop trying to blow each other to hell, and sit down at the table like civilized adults.

all this pointless warfare is dooming us, and indeed most of life on earth, to extinction.

Correction, Hamas goals are exactly to kill the Israelis, Israel has no such goals.

You can't sit down at a table with someone who thinks your existence needs to be erased.

[Delanshar]

Well that depends on where you live. Virtually every nation on Earth took that land from someone else.

i mean if i'm blockadimg formerly chocolate, now concrete and wood from somewhere i'd really like to now about it like right now. am i building illegal settlements, right now? am i getting all "destroy the road and water" up in here? someone really needs to tell me this fuck

Israel isn't building illegal settlements in Gaza, and last I checked the blockade was loosened. Though admittably, I haven't really been following the details on the blockade.

[Souseiseki]

i mean if i'm blockadimg formerly chocolate, now concrete and wood from somewhere i'd really like to now about it like right now. am i building illegal settlements, right now? am i getting all "destroy the road and water" up in here? someone really needs to tell me this fuck

Israel isn't building illegal settlements in Gaza, and last I checked the blockade was loosened. Though admittably, I haven't really been following the details on the blockade.

but they're still doing it elsewhere, even when rockers aren't being fired. maybe if they stopped firing rockets, israel wo- oh

when was it loosened? it changes constantly.

[Delanshar]

when was it loosened? it changes constantly.

In 2011 the Rafah crossing was opened permanently. And Gazans can enter Egypt without a visa.

[Ralkovia]

Perhaps because i was not born in America but have now served in it's Military and also pay taxes to its government but i completely disagree.

In fact if i had my way America would lay a massive Embargo isreal and let it implode on it self.

Too bad Israel lets you save billions of dollars on tech by testing and improving it for you free of charge, and the fact that the US isn't it's largest trading partner, and the Israelis would just do the same thing but with Chinese backing instead

That's actually pretty true. At this point, China wants in on Israeli Military Expertise. Most of the World does. If anything, China would probably step in if Israel offered the juicy bits of technology they have their hands on. That is if the US just totally fucked them over.

[Souseiseki]

when was it loosened? it changes constantly.

In 2011 the Rafah crossing was opened permanently. And Gazans can enter Egypt without a visa.

oh, must be when the unbanned chocolate, or was that 2010

That's actually pretty true. At this point, China wants in on Israeli Military Expertise. Most of the World does. If anything, China would probably step in if Israel offered the juicy bits of technology they have their hands on. That is if the US just totally fucked them over.

isn't israel constantly getting in shit for things like giving missile tech to china because they're the best u.s. ally yet keep doing really dumb shit like spreading technology to unwanted parties and buying one of a product then replicating it and spying and strafing u.s. crusiers an- ok i'm going on a tangent here.

it's not like they offered to sell nukes to apartheid south africa, righ- oh, uh, ah, er, my mossad guy is telling me to stop now

[Ralkovia]

In 2011 the Rafah crossing was opened permanently. And Gazans can enter Egypt without a visa.

oh, must be when the unbanned chocolate, or was that 2010

That's actually pretty true. At this point, China wants in on Israeli Military Expertise. Most of the World does. If anything, China would probably step in if Israel offered the juicy bits of technology they have their hands on. That is if the US just totally fucked them over.

isn't israel constantly getting in shit for things like giving missile tech to china because they're the best u.s. ally yet keep doing really dumb shit like spreading technology to unwanted parties and buying one of a product then replicating it and spying and strafing u.s. crusiers an- ok i'm going on a tangent here.

it's not like they offered to sell nukes to apartheid south africa, righ- oh, uh, ah, er, my mossad guy is telling me to stop now

Israel has sold China Israeli weapon tech. When America has coinvested in something, it has received the veto right. Hence Israel did not sell China the Harpy's. Etc.

[JonathanAtopia]

With the ceasefire delayed until tom. if they don't get it done the Isreill government maybe will do a ground invasion on Thanksgiving Day.

[Souseiseki]

With the ceasefire delayed until tom. if they don't get it done the Isreill government maybe will do a ground invasion on Thanksgiving Day.

Reuters: Hamas official Ezzat al-Rishq tells Reuters Gaza truce has been held up because Israel has yet to respond to proposals, says we "must wait until tomorrow."

whooooooooooooo

[The Emerald Dawn]

With the ceasefire delayed until tom. if they don't get it done the Isreill government maybe will do a ground invasion on Thanksgiving Day.

Reuters: Hamas official Ezzat al-Rishq tells Reuters Gaza truce has been held up because Israel has yet to respond to proposals, says we "must wait until tomorrow."

whooooooooooooo

Hamas says Israel to blame. Israel says Hamas to blame. Egypt said it hasn't heard shit from anyone.

I'm believing Egypt.

[North Calaveras]

Reuters: Hamas official Ezzat al-Rishq tells Reuters Gaza truce has been held up because Israel has yet to respond to proposals, says we "must wait until tomorrow."

whooooooooooooo

Hamas says Israel to blame. Israel says Hamas to blame. Egypt said it hasn't heard shit from anyone.

I'm believing Egypt.

Hamas has said that even if Israel agrees to the proposals they will continue with war.