Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[The Zeonic States]

Iraq and Iran have nothing to do with Isreal provoking Iran and Iraq into war.

Iran has nothing to do with isreal removing a chance for Iraq to have Nuclear power although i will admit the Iran's pretty much removed that chance before Isreali's even got there but they did still bomb the reactor none the less.

Isreal to me has been a rogue state for a LONG time, \It's actions have gone unchecked, its Behavior and activity unquestioned and its past time for it to be abandoned.

I don't think removing it will solve all issues or make them magically disapear but having one less loose cannon in the region CERTAINLY won't hurt.

A "loose cannon" when it actually "Gives a damn about it's citizens?" (Delan). I think that many of Palestine's actions have gone unchecked. Instead, it's always "Israel's fault".

:/ Sure; Military mass bombing is unchecked huh.

But in all honesty? Isreal has gone unchecked and when it did come under fire nothing came of it; It's sickening to how the UN ignores their blatant war crimes, Ignoring established Military protocol.

Honestly if My Nation did half this shit we would have a UN blockade in our fucking harbors.

Oh and launching unprovoked Air strikes Sovereign Foreign territory with out solid inteligience behind even the threat of whatever you are bombing.

At least Isreal paid for the funeral...Poor french bastard.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

They ARE solely to blame for this, OK?

Read this, and note the endless stream of provocation and counter-provocation from both sides.

[The Zeonic States]

Iraq and Iran have nothing to do with Isreal provoking Iran and Iraq into war.

Iran has nothing to do with isreal removing a chance for Iraq to have Nuclear power although i will admit the Iran's pretty much removed that chance before Isreali's even got there but they did still bomb the reactor none the less.

Isreal to me has been a rogue state for a LONG time, \It's actions have gone unchecked, its Behavior and activity unquestioned and its past time for it to be abandoned.

I don't think removing it will solve all issues or make them magically disapear but having one less loose cannon in the region CERTAINLY won't hurt.

Let's see why Israel is a loose cannon, oh yeah that's right because its surrounded by people that wish they were all drowning in their own blood.

And when stop launching unprovoked assaults on sovereign territory (Not even speaking about pale at the moment) That MIGHT, MIGHT just change.

[Sabara]

israel is innocent *farts* *approves 1,400 new houses in occupied land*

Israel isn't innocent. In fact, all nations have dark history. It's just that Israel is more innocent and more likely to bring democracy to the religion than Palestine.

[North Calaveras]

Let's see why Israel is a loose cannon, oh yeah that's right because its surrounded by people that wish they were all drowning in their own blood.

And when stop launching unprovoked assaults on sovereign territory (Not even speaking about pale at the moment) That MIGHT, MIGHT just change.

Actually Israel would stop if Hamas, oh wait that's right Hamas wants every jewish man/women and child dead. Kind of hard to negotiate with that.

[Tmutarakhan]

Thats Hamas for you. Imagine the world anger if Israel executed those seen to be collaborating with Hamas.

Whatever did happen to Yitzhak Rabin?

Because as Israeli extremists are not in any way wholly representative of Israel, so Hamas are not wholly representative of Gazans and even less so of inhabitants of the West Bank.

Rabin was the elected head of government. Yigal Amir was not. Amir is in prison for life. By contrast, Hamas is the elected government of the Gazans.

[Souseiseki]

And when stop launching unprovoked assaults on sovereign territory (Not even speaking about pale at the moment) That MIGHT, MIGHT just change.

Actually Israel would stop if Hamas, oh wait that's right Hamas wants every jewish man/women and child dead. Kind of hard to negotiate with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYzQtSxoKE

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Whatever did happen to Yitzhak Rabin?

Because as Israeli extremists are not in any way wholly representative of Israel, so Hamas are not wholly representative of Gazans and even less so of inhabitants of the West Bank.

Rabin was the elected head of government. Yigal Amir was not. Amir is in prison for life. By contrast, Hamas is the elected government of the Gazans.

so Hamas are not wholly representative of Gazans and even less so of inhabitants of the West Bank.

[North Calaveras]

Actually Israel would stop if Hamas, oh wait that's right Hamas wants every jewish man/women and child dead. Kind of hard to negotiate with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYzQtSxoKE

[Sabara]

Let's see why Israel is a loose cannon, oh yeah that's right because its surrounded by people that wish they were all drowning in their own blood.

And when stop launching unprovoked assaults on sovereign territory (Not even speaking about pale at the moment) That MIGHT, MIGHT just change.

Uh hum. How about when Palestine launched rockets over Tel Aviv? Isn't that bombing sovereign territory?

Israel is retaliating, not mindlessly bombing sovereign territory for no apparent reason.

[Tmutarakhan]

They ARE solely to blame for this, OK?

Read this, and note the endless stream of provocation and counter-provocation from both sides.

??? You are directing me to a list of the hundreds of rocket attacks launched by the Palestinians. It does of course also mention that Israelis have from time to time tried to kill the people who launch rockets at them, which seems a perfectly normal thing to do. I imagine that if rockets were launched at Cairo and Alexandria all the time, the Egyptians might think that was a bad thing, calling for some response.

[Souseiseki]

And when stop launching unprovoked assaults on sovereign territory (Not even speaking about pale at the moment) That MIGHT, MIGHT just change.

Uh hum. How about when Palestine launched rockets over Tel Aviv? Isn't that bombing sovereign territory?

Israel is retaliating, not mindlessly bombing sovereign territory for no apparent reason.

first time in decades, happened after israeli air strikes iirc

people get the timing mixed up though ):

[Sabara]

Uh hum. How about when Palestine launched rockets over Tel Aviv? Isn't that bombing sovereign territory?

Israel is retaliating, not mindlessly bombing sovereign territory for no apparent reason.

first time in decades, happened after israeli air strikes iirc

people get the timing mixed up though ):

And everyone fails to notice when they launch rockets at Israeli civilian resorts like Eilat and Jordanian Aqaba. ;_;

[Delanshar]

So you admit then. Israel deserves praise for being the mature democracy in the region.

If you admit Israel deserves praise for being the only mature democracy in the region, then you must also admit that as a mature democracy, it is rightfully subject to more criticism than shithole dictatorships and terrorist thugs when it steps out of line. You cannot have one without the other, sorry. This goes for the rest of you too.

I mean if you want to treat Israel as a mature democracy, it will treated as such. And if it makes you angry when people hold it to the standards of a mature democracy, then sorry, deal with it.

They are subject to more criticism I don't deny that. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with said criticism. I view alot of it as hysterical.

[The Zeonic States]

And when stop launching unprovoked assaults on sovereign territory (Not even speaking about pale at the moment) That MIGHT, MIGHT just change.

Actually Israel would stop if Hamas, oh wait that's right Hamas wants every jewish man/women and child dead. Kind of hard to negotiate with that.

I was actually talking about an unprovoked assault on an Iraqi Nuclear power plant which killed several civilians...Yeah i told you had jack to do with Hamas they have been doing shit like this for Way too long and they need stop or they need to pay for their actions.

Maybe that's why i don't care if Hamas wants them gone, Their hands are hardly spotless when it comes to blood either.

However seeing as how peaceful settlement cannot be reached between these two factions which you keep bringing up for some reason, Why would they not pull out? Let them self govern? National defense? If their anti missile systems and defenses work so well, if they keep killing Hamas leaders why does it even matter?

Hrm? Why not let them govern? Their Military capabilities have been revealed and according to Jew boasting it has nothing fear from it, then Pull out.

[Tmutarakhan]

Rabin was the elected head of government. Yigal Amir was not. Amir is in prison for life. By contrast, Hamas is the elected government of the Gazans.

so Hamas are not wholly representative of Gazans and even less so of inhabitants of the West Bank.

They are representative of the overwhelming majority of Gazans, as Rabin, and the judiciary which imprisoned his killer, are representative of the overwhelming majority of Israelis.

[The Zeonic States]

And when stop launching unprovoked assaults on sovereign territory (Not even speaking about pale at the moment) That MIGHT, MIGHT just change.

Uh hum. How about when Palestine launched rockets over Tel Aviv? Isn't that bombing sovereign territory?

Israel is retaliating, not mindlessly bombing sovereign territory for no apparent reason.

I just said i was talking about an Iraqi Nuclear plant.

._. What do you think i meant by NOT Palestine related?

[Tmutarakhan]

Actually Israel would stop if Hamas, oh wait that's right Hamas wants every jewish man/women and child dead. Kind of hard to negotiate with that.

I was actually talking about an unprovoked assault on an Iraqi Nuclear power plant which killed several civilians..

Iraq was building a nuclear bomb to implement your cheery plan for Israel. Israelis did not want to let them. You find this surprising?

[The Zeonic States]

I was actually talking about an unprovoked assault on an Iraqi Nuclear power plant which killed several civilians..

Iraq was building a nuclear bomb to implement your cheery plan for Israel. Israelis did not want to let them. You find this surprising?

Right; There was no evidence of that ever found, the plant sat there unoccupied for a decade afterwards BUT YEAH! They really wanted those NUKES!

._. Nope

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Read this, and note the endless stream of provocation and counter-provocation from both sides.

??? You are directing me to a list of the hundreds of rocket attacks launched by the Palestinians. It does of course also mention that Israelis have from time to time tried to kill the people who launch rockets at them, which seems a perfectly normal thing to do. I imagine that if rockets were launched at Cairo and Alexandria all the time, the Egyptians might think that was a bad thing, calling for some response.

That's an intentional link. Let's look at November, before the shitstorm, from that link. Palestinian bad things in red, Israeli bad things in blue.

November 4
Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket into Israel, causing no injuries or damage.
November 6
Following the shooting and subsequent death on the previous day of a Gazan civilian approaching the border with Israel, at 10:20am Palestinians fired a rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.
November 9
Following an Israeli incursion on the previous day into 'Abassan village and the killing of a 13 year-old Palestinian boy by Israeli gunfire, Palestinians fired two Qassam rockets into the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.
November 10
Palestinian militants fired an anti-tank missile at an IDF jeep patroling the border, wounding 4 soldiers. IDF forces responded with tank fire, killing 4 Palestinians on a football playground (aged 16,17,18 and 19) and wounding 38. Further airstrikes killed 2 Palestinian militants. Palestinians then fired 25 rockets at Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gan Yavne and other communities. The Iron Dome anti-rocket system intercepted at least one rocket aimed at Ashdod. IDF airstrikes destroyed several Palestinian targets which the IDF alleged were being used for military purposes, including a water tank, an electricty company office, a brick factory, a metal workshop, a concrete factory, a poultry farm, and an agricultural store, damaging several houses, and wounding 13 Palestinian civilians.
November 11
Gazan groups fired over 100 rockets and mortars at Israeli cities and towns. A barrage against Sderot, timed to coincide with the morning commute to work, injured 3 people. One victim, physical education teacher Moshik Levy, was moderately wounded by shrapnel and glass from his car windshield which exploded in his face. A fourth person was injured while fleeing for cover, and five more people were treated for acute stress reaction. Two homes, one in Sderot and one in the Eshkol Regional Council, were damaged by direct rocket hits. United States Ambassador Dan Shapiro declared that his country "supports Israel’s right to defend itself and its citizens from these attacks."
November 12
After a relatively calm night, Gaza gunmen fired nine rockets at southern Israel. Seven rockets were fired at the Negev region and two towards Ashkelon.

Number of civilians killed by Palestinians: 0 Number of civilians killed by IDF: 6

Do you see why blaming either side outright is not really a sensible option?

[Tmutarakhan]

Honestly if My Nation did half this shit we would have a UN blockade in our fucking harbors.

If Swedes launched hundreds of rockets at Norway, the UN will not take Sweden's side.

[Souseiseki]

"causing no injuries or damage." is basically the ancient war dance. hundreds/thousands dead with tanks and jets is clearly proportionate.

[Souseiseki]

Honestly if My Nation did half this shit we would have a UN blockade in our fucking harbors.

If Swedes launched hundreds of rockets at Norway, the UN will not take Sweden's side.

two U.N. nations lol

i love people taking random nations and taking rocket attacks with no context in completely uncompilable scenarios, it's pretty cool

[Tmutarakhan]

the plant sat there unoccupied for a decade afterwards

Yeah, because if they ever started that shit again they would have gotten bombed worse.

??? You are directing me to a list of the hundreds of rocket attacks launched by the Palestinians. It does of course also mention that Israelis have from time to time tried to kill the people who launch rockets at them, which seems a perfectly normal thing to do. I imagine that if rockets were launched at Cairo and Alexandria all the time, the Egyptians might think that was a bad thing, calling for some response.

That's an intentional link. Let's look at November, before the shitstorm, from that link. Palestinian bad things in red, Israeli bad things in blue.

November 4
Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket into Israel, causing no injuries or damage.
November 6
Following the shooting and subsequent death on the previous day of a Gazan civilian approaching the border with Israel, at 10:20am Palestinians fired a rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.
November 9
Following an Israeli incursion on the previous day into 'Abassan village and the killing of a 13 year-old Palestinian boy by Israeli gunfire, Palestinians fired two Qassam rockets into the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.
November 10
Palestinian militants fired an anti-tank missile at an IDF jeep patroling the border, wounding 4 soldiers. IDF forces responded with tank fire, killing 4 Palestinians on a football playground (aged 16,17,18 and 19) and wounding 38. Further airstrikes killed 2 Palestinian militants. Palestinians then fired 25 rockets at Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gan Yavne and other communities. The Iron Dome anti-rocket system intercepted at least one rocket aimed at Ashdod. IDF airstrikes destroyed several Palestinian targets which the IDF alleged were being used for military purposes, including a water tank, an electricty company office, a brick factory, a metal workshop, a concrete factory, a poultry farm, and an agricultural store, damaging several houses, and wounding 13 Palestinian civilians.
November 11
Gazan groups fired over 100 rockets and mortars at Israeli cities and towns. A barrage against Sderot, timed to coincide with the morning commute to work, injured 3 people. One victim, physical education teacher Moshik Levy, was moderately wounded by shrapnel and glass from his car windshield which exploded in his face. A fourth person was injured while fleeing for cover, and five more people were treated for acute stress reaction. Two homes, one in Sderot and one in the Eshkol Regional Council, were damaged by direct rocket hits. United States Ambassador Dan Shapiro declared that his country "supports Israel’s right to defend itself and its citizens from these attacks."
November 12
After a relatively calm night, Gaza gunmen fired nine rockets at southern Israel. Seven rockets were fired at the Negev region and two towards Ashkelon.

Number of civilians killed by Palestinians: 0 Number of civilians killed by IDF: 6

Do you see why blaming either side outright is not really a sensible option?

I totally disagree with your outlook. The Palestinians used to kill much more often and effectively; in recent years their capacity for murder has been greatly diminished; I say, GOOD, let's keep it that way. You are blaming the Israeli side for not taking enough deaths. It is the job of the Israeli defense forces to keep the number of Israeli deaths as low as possible. That means, not tolerating constant rocket launches or attempts to penetrate the border fences. If Palestinians had any interest in keeping their own casualties down, they could just: STOP THE SHIT.

[Tmutarakhan]

If Swedes launched hundreds of rockets at Norway, the UN will not take Sweden's side.

two U.N. nations lol

i love people taking random nations and taking rocket attacks with no context in completely uncompilable scenarios, it's pretty cool

Which country are you from? Shall we start shooting rockets at your home? Would you appreciate that?