Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[Saruhan]

Because US politcal partys don't go around executing politcal dissidents, jews, gays and so called "spys"

Can you source the political dissidents, the Jews and the gays bit of that claim, please?

I would assume killing Fatah would be enough?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Can you source the political dissidents, the Jews and the gays bit of that claim, please?

He's saying they don't

I mean for Hamas, the inference being that Hamas "go around executing political dissidents, Jews and gays".

Can you source the political dissidents, the Jews and the gays bit of that claim, please?

I would assume killing Fatah would be enough?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that largely tit-for-tat?

[The Zeonic States]

Perhaps because i was not born in America but have now served in it's Military and also pay taxes to its government but i completely disagree.

In fact if i had my way America would lay a massive Embargo isreal and it implode on it self.

Whoa. ._.

So we're basically gonna abandon the only democracy in that region?

In the interest of removing a antagonizing power? Yes

They have been provoking things there for decades and perhaps because i don't espeically care if they survive or not the results of their own actions i am willing to cut them off.

No aid or funding, add in am Embargo show the Middle east the Americans will stop playing favorites in interests of Peace; That their can be a peaceful coexistance.

Isreal just needs to go but to avoid people whining that i am a racist i will not mention the usage of Nuclear weapons which would CERTAINLY be the easiest method. However it is not the only Method Political means can be acheived to bring about change, Once isreal realizes it will not be backed in any way shape or form by the United states maybe they will fucking grow up and stop acting like they are Immune to ICBM's.

I believe American presence in the middle eastern should not come in the shape of overt support for any one Nation but in the Hopes of maintaining a equal and sociable way of existance. And well if they want to kill each other afterwards well it was never any of America's business anyway; Its time to stop pumping a fortune into Saudi Arabia anyway.

[Souseiseki]

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-upda ... 2010-04-15

oh hey, it's from 2010, but hey

everyone is going to fucking condemn hamas for this. no one of any value will support hamas over it. more importantly, hamas is not our greatest ally and will not receive our unconditional support. hamas is not getting billions of dollars of "aid" and military equipment from us when we do it. there is no "double standard". you can't fucking build up israel as our greatest ally the only democracy and shower it with money then complain when people don't treat them the same way as fucking terrorists. it's so obvious and ridiculous that everyone seems to understand it except a small group of people with a deliberate blind spot.

One article by AI =/= World Outrage. I'm talking about world outrage.

It's one of the many biased organizations!

"Gaza executions: Hamas condemned over 'inhuman punishment'
Human Rights Watch calls for a moratorium on death sentences in Gaza after three men were hanged at the weekend"

And more! Do I need to fucking find Obama personally saying HAMAS BAD? Does it need to be said? It goes without fucking saying, though he'll probably say it anyway. They're fucking terrorists, they've already been condemned to hell and back. No one recognizes their legitimacy. Does it really need explained why people are more attentive to a democracy, doing things with your money, to the actions of their allies who are supposedly committed to freedom, than that of terrorists they have already condemned 10 times over? You're the one with a double standard. You treat Israel as the best country in the Middle East then you get angry when you see even the IDEA that people might hold the only democracy in the Middle East, our greatest ally, recipient of billions of our taxes, to a higher standard than terrorists and thugs. There's no really no other way I can explain it. It is honestly a case of you can't have your cake and eat it too.

They are a terrorist group. Their every action is implicitly condemned.

[Sabara]

Whoa. ._.

So we're basically gonna abandon the only democracy in that region?

In the interest of removing a antagonizing power? Yes

They have been provoking things there for decades and perhaps because i don't espeically care if they survive or not the results of their own actions i am willing to cut them off.

No aid or funding, add in am Embargo so the Middle east the Americans will stop playing favorites in interests of Peace; That their can be a peaceful coexistance.

Isreal just needs to go but to avoid people whining that i am a racist i will not mention the usage of Nuclear weapons which would CERTAINLY be the easiest method. However it is not the only Method Political means can be acheived to bring about change, Once isreal realizes it will not be backed in any way shape or form by the United states maybe they will fucking grow up and stop acting like they are Immune to ICBM's.

I believe American presence in the middle eastern should not come in the shape of overt support for any one Nation but in the Hopes of maintaining a equal and sociable way of existance. And well if they want to kill each other afterwards well it was never any of America's business anyway; Its time to stop pumping a fortune into Saudi Arabia anyway.

So I suppose you are a supported of Iranian Nuclear capabability.

So WOOHOOOO! America loses it's last ally in the Middle East, and the hole region falls into a tumult. xd

Israel is the only democracy in the region, so that's why we support them. We can't "equally" support dictatorships who murder their on people.

[The Emerald Dawn]

One article by AI =/= World Outrage. I'm talking about world outrage.

It's one of the many biased organizations!

"Gaza executions: Hamas condemned over 'inhuman punishment'
Human Rights Watch calls for a moratorium on death sentences in Gaza after three men were hanged at the weekend"

And more! Do I need to fucking find Obama personally saying HAMAS BAD? Does it need to be said? It goes without fucking saying, though he'll probably say it anyway. They're fucking terrorists, they've already been condemned to hell and back. No one recognizes their legitimacy. Does it really need explained why people are more attentive to a democracy, doing things with your money, to the actions of their allies who are supposedly committed to freedom, than that of terrorists they have already condemned 10 times over? You're the one with a double standard. You treat Israel as the best country in the Middle East then you get angry when you see even the IDEA that people might hold the only democracy in the Middle East, our greatest ally, recipient of billions of our taxes, to a higher standard than terrorists and thugs. There's no really no other way I can explain it. It is honestly a case of you can't have your cake and eat it too.

They are a terrorist group. Their every action is implicitly condemned.

Hamas uses outhouse to defecate. Shit decried as terrorist action by HRW.

[North Calaveras]

He's saying they don't

I mean for Hamas, the inference being that Hamas "go around executing political dissidents, Jews and gays".

I would assume killing Fatah would be enough?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that largely tit-for-tat?

Given that Hamas stands for Shariah law and they say that gays should be killed it's not a far leap to consider that gays are indeed killed and/or severely discriminated and beaten.

[The Zeonic States]

Perhaps because i was not born in America but have now served in it's Military and also pay taxes to its government but i completely disagree.

In fact if i had my way America would lay a massive Embargo isreal and let it implode on it self.

Too bad Israel lets you save billions of dollars on tech by testing and improving it for you free of charge, and the fact that the US isn't it's largest trading partner, and the Israelis would just do the same thing but with Chinese backing instead

Goodie for them, At least my taxes won't pay for that garbage anymore

[Souseiseki]

Perhaps because i was not born in America but have now served in it's Military and also pay taxes to its government but i completely disagree.

In fact if i had my way America would lay a massive Embargo isreal and let it implode on it self.

So abandon the only country in the Middle East that actually gives a damn about it's citizens. Good Plan.

If you're going to say this, you don't get to cry about double standards when people are more shocked that Israel does shitty thing X than terrorists or some shit hole dictatorship. You have effectively, yourself, already raised Israel to a higher standard than all other nations in the Middle East and therefore forfeit the right to complain when people hold them to that standard.

[The Zeonic States]

In the interest of removing a antagonizing power? Yes

They have been provoking things there for decades and perhaps because i don't espeically care if they survive or not the results of their own actions i am willing to cut them off.

No aid or funding, add in am Embargo so the Middle east the Americans will stop playing favorites in interests of Peace; That their can be a peaceful coexistance.

Isreal just needs to go but to avoid people whining that i am a racist i will not mention the usage of Nuclear weapons which would CERTAINLY be the easiest method. However it is not the only Method Political means can be acheived to bring about change, Once isreal realizes it will not be backed in any way shape or form by the United states maybe they will fucking grow up and stop acting like they are Immune to ICBM's.

I believe American presence in the middle eastern should not come in the shape of overt support for any one Nation but in the Hopes of maintaining a equal and sociable way of existance. And well if they want to kill each other afterwards well it was never any of America's business anyway; Its time to stop pumping a fortune into Saudi Arabia anyway.

So I suppose you are a supported of Iranian Nuclear capabability.

So WOOHOOOO! America loses it's last ally in the Middle East, and the hole region falls into a tumult. xd

I support Iran in the application of M.A.D Yes, I would also support That god awful Saudi Arabia as well.

And you seem to think they are incapable of Self governence, I believe diffrently.

[Sabara]

So I suppose you are a supported of Iranian Nuclear capabability.

So WOOHOOOO! America loses it's last ally in the Middle East, and the hole region falls into a tumult. xd

I support Iran in the application of M.A.D Yes, I would also support That god awful Saudi Arabia as well.

And you seem to think they are incapable of Self governence, I believe diffrently.

I believe in self governance when it's mad up of democracies who don't murder their own people.

[The Zeonic States]

I support Iran in the application of M.A.D Yes, I would also support That god awful Saudi Arabia as well.

And you seem to think they are incapable of Self governence, I believe diffrently.

I believe in self governance when it's mad up of democracies who don't murder their own people.

Isreal is not the place for you then.

And perhaps because i don't need Democracy in government it does not bother me much; It's a plus i suppose but i would be content with just peace and stability for a Few Decades to be honest.

[Delanshar]

So abandon the only country in the Middle East that actually gives a damn about it's citizens. Good Plan.

If you're going to say this, you don't get to cry about double standards when people are more shocked that Israel does shitty thing X than terrorists or some shit hole dictatorship. You have effectively, yourself, already raised Israel to a higher standard than all other nations in the Middle East and therefore forfeit the right to complain when people hold them to that standard.

So you admit then. Israel deserves praise for being the mature democracy in the region.

[The Zeonic States]

If you're going to say this, you don't get to cry about double standards when people are more shocked that Israel does shitty thing X than terrorists or some shit hole dictatorship. You have effectively, yourself, already raised Israel to a higher standard than all other nations in the Middle East and therefore forfeit the right to complain when people hold them to that standard.

So you admit then. Israel deserves praise for being the mature democracy in the region.

I don't its far, Far from Mature and it being a democracy has always been questionable to me.

It always seemed like the people voted for the folks they were "told" to vote for in some situations.

In short it's a Blight, Not the worst place in the region but now that things are begining to cool down a bit it just looks worse and worse by compare.

[Sabara]

I believe in self governance when it's mad up of democracies who don't murder their own people.

Isreal is not the place for you then.

And perhaps because i don't need Democracy in government it does not bother me much; It's a plus i suppose but i would be content with just peace and stability for a Few Decades to be honest.

Wow. Okay.

I just can't even respond to that without getting extremely mad.... But one thing I would like to say is:

Getting rid of Israel won't solve that problem. Do you remember the Iraqi- Iranian war? They hated each other (and still do) because of the different races within both nations. Also, Peace and Stability- no war maybe. But not a better life for the people. Would you want to live in a Dictatorship for the sake of "peace and stability?"

[North Calaveras]

So you admit then. Israel deserves praise for being the mature democracy in the region.

I don't its far, Far from Mature and it being a democracy has always been questionable to me.

It always seemed like the people voted for the folks they were "told" to vote for in some situations.

In short it's a Blight, Not the worst place in the region but now that things are begining to cool down a bit it just looks worse and worse by compare.

IDK lots of people in Israel are free while almost no one is in Palestine

[Souseiseki]

If you're going to say this, you don't get to cry about double standards when people are more shocked that Israel does shitty thing X than terrorists or some shit hole dictatorship. You have effectively, yourself, already raised Israel to a higher standard than all other nations in the Middle East and therefore forfeit the right to complain when people hold them to that standard.

So you admit then. Israel deserves praise for being the mature democracy in the region.

If you admit Israel deserves praise for being the only mature democracy in the region, then you must also admit that as a mature democracy, it is rightfully subject to more criticism than shithole dictatorships and terrorist thugs when it steps out of line. You cannot have one without the other, sorry. This goes for the rest of you too.

I mean if you want to treat Israel as a mature democracy, it will treated as such. And if it makes you angry when people hold it to the standards of a mature democracy, then sorry, deal with it.

[Tmutarakhan]

If your reason for disliking Israel is because its full of Jews, then yes.

Israel's actions are very much not any different than the United States or anyone else for that matter.

Except when the US occupied Germany and Japan we gave them loads of money and helped them reintegrate into the world community. And when we beat Mexico in 1848 we promptly annexed the land and made everyone there subject to the same laws as the rest of the country. In the USA, if I go to a protest for Native American rights and I get arrested with Chief Smells the Flowers, we have EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS IN A COURT OF LAW.

Israel annexed the Jerusalem Zone and the Golan Heights, granting everyone there the same citizenship rights as the rest of the country. This however is treated as an offense, in Israel's case.

[The Zeonic States]

Isreal is not the place for you then.

And perhaps because i don't need Democracy in government it does not bother me much; It's a plus i suppose but i would be content with just peace and stability for a Few Decades to be honest.

Wow. Okay.

I just can't even respond to that without getting extremely mad.... But one thing I would like to say is:

Getting rid of Israel won't solve that problem. Do you remember the Iraqi- Iranian war? They hated each other (and still do) because of the different races within both nations. Also, Peace and Stability- no war maybe. But not a better life for the people. Would you want to live in a Dictatorship for the sake of "peace and stability?"

Iraq and Iran have nothing to do with Isreal provoking Iran and Iraq into war.

Iran has nothing to do with isreal removing a chance for Iraq to have Nuclear power although i will admit the Iran's pretty much removed that chance before Isreali's even got there but they did still bomb the reactor none the less.

Isreal to me has been a rogue state for a LONG time, \It's actions have gone unchecked, its Behavior and activity unquestioned and its past time for it to be abandoned.

I don't think removing it will solve all issues or make them magically disapear but having one less loose cannon in the region CERTAINLY won't hurt.

[The Zeonic States]

I don't its far, Far from Mature and it being a democracy has always been questionable to me.

It always seemed like the people voted for the folks they were "told" to vote for in some situations.

In short it's a Blight, Not the worst place in the region but now that things are begining to cool down a bit it just looks worse and worse by compare.

IDK lots of people in Israel are free while almost no one is in Palestine

Isreal is famous for changing voting requirements during ELECTIONS however.

Which is vote selection plain and simple, That is not democracy.

[North Calaveras]

Wow. Okay.

I just can't even respond to that without getting extremely mad.... But one thing I would like to say is:

Getting rid of Israel won't solve that problem. Do you remember the Iraqi- Iranian war? They hated each other (and still do) because of the different races within both nations. Also, Peace and Stability- no war maybe. But not a better life for the people. Would you want to live in a Dictatorship for the sake of "peace and stability?"

Iraq and Iran have nothing to do with Isreal provoking Iran and Iraq into war.

Iran has nothing to do with isreal removing a chance for Iraq to have Nuclear power although i will admit the Iran's pretty much removed that chance before Isreali's even got there but they did still bomb the reactor none the less.

Isreal to me has been a rogue state for a LONG time, \It's actions have gone unchecked, its Behavior and activity unquestioned and its past time for it to be abandoned.

I don't think removing it will solve all issues or make them magically disapear but having one less loose cannon in the region CERTAINLY won't hurt.

Let's see why Israel is a loose cannon, oh yeah that's right because its surrounded by people that wish they were all drowning in their own blood.

[Sabara]

Wow. Okay.

I just can't even respond to that without getting extremely mad.... But one thing I would like to say is:

Getting rid of Israel won't solve that problem. Do you remember the Iraqi- Iranian war? They hated each other (and still do) because of the different races within both nations. Also, Peace and Stability- no war maybe. But not a better life for the people. Would you want to live in a Dictatorship for the sake of "peace and stability?"

Iraq and Iran have nothing to do with Isreal provoking Iran and Iraq into war.

Iran has nothing to do with isreal removing a chance for Iraq to have Nuclear power although i will admit the Iran's pretty much removed that chance before Isreali's even got there but they did still bomb the reactor none the less.

Isreal to me has been a rogue state for a LONG time, \It's actions have gone unchecked, its Behavior and activity unquestioned and its past time for it to be abandoned.

I don't think removing it will solve all issues or make them magically disapear but having one less loose cannon in the region CERTAINLY won't hurt.

A "loose cannon" when it actually "Gives a damn about it's citizens?" (Delan). I think that many of Palestine's actions have gone unchecked. Instead, it's always "Israel's fault".

[Herskerstad]

One Israeli Civilian and one Israeli soldier was recently killed by a rocket attack from the Gaza strip.

Expected to impact the negotiations in Cairo to say the least.

[Tmutarakhan]

Exactly! You are exactly right!

The reason of less deaths in Israel is also probably attributed to a better health and immediate care system.

Proof, bitte.

Also, if you remember, Palestine hasn't been exactly "innocent". They are the ones who started the rocket launching.

Why did the rocket launching start again? Oh right, the Israeli government assassinated Hamas' equivalent of Leon Panetta or Ehud Barak.

The rocket launching had been going on for a long time. The Israeli government assassinated the person in charge of the rocket launchings.

Israel's just retaliating to defend itself.

Hamas are not very nice, but let's not solely blame them for this, OK?

They ARE solely to blame for this, OK?

[Souseiseki]

israel is innocent *farts* *approves 1,400 new houses in occupied land*