Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[The Zeonic States]

Yes, they would. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

I could see a nuclear Iran (other radical Islamist states available) ignoring this through the red mist and taking Israel with it to kingdom come.

And? Isreal already possses Nuclear Weaponry and Iran i doubt would risk it's own existance to the point of Outright Nuclear war with them.

They already know which way the Americans and the UN would swing, I believe Iran has the strongest case personally for M.A.D in the Middle east.

The United States is itching for war with them and that would certainly cool tensions down a bit if they hand them because M.A.D would Apply to the situation, forcing People to the bargaining Table.

In short i believe it would be an advantage to Iran but not through warfare but Political diplomacy.

[Sabara]

Yeah. I know alot of people probably have different view points than I (xp) but I think that many of the news stations are ignoring Israeli Casualties, while focusing how Israel is "wronging Palestine by genocide!". If Palestine doesn't want civilian deaths, they need to move their rocket launchers away from populated areas. After all, they are the ones who started the whole rocket conversation.

^I have an extremely Pro-Israel viewpoint.

[Sabara]

Nor are suicide bombers....yet more Arabs have died...

And more Russians died during the Invasion of Finland.

DAMMIT FINLAND YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST ACCEPTED RUSSIA!

^^ Yes.

[Souseiseki]

Yeah. I know alot of people probably have different view points than I (xp) but I think that many of the news stations are ignoring Israeli Casualties, while focusing how Israel is "wronging Palestine by genocide!". If Palestine doesn't want civilian deaths, they need to move their rocket launchers away from populated areas. After all, they are the ones who started the whole rocket conversation.

^I have an extremely Pro-Israel viewpoint.

http://i.imgur.com/J2oYW.jpg

i think it's still at 3, actually. i think a few soldiers got killed maybe? but i don't think it needs much explaining why people focus more on >110 deaths than 3 deaths if that's what they're doing

[Souseiseki]

And more Russians died during the Invasion of Finland.

DAMMIT FINLAND YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST ACCEPTED RUSSIA!

^^ Yes.

~~*called it*~~

[Divair]

Yeah. I know alot of people probably have different view points than I (xp) but I think that many of the news stations are ignoring Israeli Casualties, while focusing how Israel is "wronging Palestine by genocide!". If Palestine doesn't want civilian deaths, they need to move their rocket launchers away from populated areas. After all, they are the ones who started the whole rocket conversation.

^I have an extremely Pro-Israel viewpoint.

http://i.imgur.com/J2oYW.jpg

i think it's still at 3, actually. i think a few soldiers got killed maybe? but i don't think it needs much explaining why people focus more on >110 deaths than 3 deaths if that's what they're doing

Five, actually.

[Souseiseki]

http://i.imgur.com/J2oYW.jpg

i think it's still at 3, actually. i think a few soldiers got killed maybe? but i don't think it needs much explaining why people focus more on >110 deaths than 3 deaths if that's what they're doing

Five, actually.

so, 3 civilians 5 soldiers? i'm actually quite surprised.

[Tmutarakhan]

What country to you reside in?

Do you know any Israelis?

If you do do you think they deserve death?

I spend most of my time hopping between the Ocean, I spend most of my Summer in the Birth Country and my winter and such back in the United States doing work and such.

I would prefer that you not be allowed into the United States any longer. I will not, however, wish the destruction of your entire "Birth Country" just to get you.

[Divair]

Five, actually.

so, 3 civilians 5 soldiers? i'm actually quite surprised.

No. Four civilians dead, one soldier dead. About 80 wounded, with about 5-10 being soldiers.

[The Zeonic States]

I spend most of my time hopping between the Ocean, I spend most of my Summer in the Birth Country and my winter and such back in the United States doing work and such.

I would prefer that you not be allowed into the United States any longer. I will not, however, wish the destruction of your entire "Birth Country" just to get you.

No one would destory Norway

We are too loved

Also i have valid citizenship

[North Calaveras]

So Hamas just executed six "collaborators" there bodys were mutilated to a degree and dragged through the streets.

[Tmutarakhan]

Mhm, all places I'd love to visit. I'd like to visit Mecca one day, but considering there policy on non-Muslims.....perhaps I could be Muslim for a week.

I kneeled before Mecca once in Prayer along with I don't know how many thousands.

I adopted Muslim tradition for the time spent in Iran just because it made transition easier

If you did not sincerely adopt Islam, but went to Mecca pretending to be Muslim, that is a crime worthy of death according to them. If you did adopt Islam but are not still a Muslim, then of course you should be put to death as an apostate.

[Tyrants]

I spend most of my time hopping between the Ocean, I spend most of my Summer in the Birth Country and my winter and such back in the United States doing work and such.

I would prefer that you not be allowed into the United States any longer. I will not, however, wish the destruction of your entire "Birth Country" just to get you.

Well, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

[The Zeonic States]

I kneeled before Mecca once in Prayer along with I don't know how many thousands.

I adopted Muslim tradition for the time spent in Iran just because it made transition easier

If you did not sincerely adopt Islam, but went to Mecca pretending to be Muslim, that is a crime worthy of death according to them. If you did adopt Islam but are not still a Muslim, then of course you should be put to death as an apostate.

I did not accept their God, I did however honor their religious traditions and lived much as they would during my stay.

My "Prayer" as i worded it was more a moment of comptimlation and Mediation.

Do you not think that a for moment i could not consider another path?

In short i did not pretend, I did not change i merely considered.

In short I did nothing there besides adopt a few traditions i only mildy did not like. I like to drink and smoke after all and both of those are against their traditions and i was alright with that, No masturbation was a another annoyance but something i could live with.

Honestly why not question me about why i knelt in prayer, why i would go all the way to the most Holy site of Islam if i myself was not a muslim.

Could it not simply be that i was curious? That i was interested in learning of them, their tradition, their religion.

It's not as if i completed a pligramage or anything i merely went to the city.

[Sabara]

Yeah. I know alot of people probably have different view points than I (xp) but I think that many of the news stations are ignoring Israeli Casualties, while focusing how Israel is "wronging Palestine by genocide!". If Palestine doesn't want civilian deaths, they need to move their rocket launchers away from populated areas. After all, they are the ones who started the whole rocket conversation.

^I have an extremely Pro-Israel viewpoint.

http://i.imgur.com/J2oYW.jpg

i think it's still at 3, actually. i think a few soldiers got killed maybe? but i don't think it needs much explaining why people focus more on >110 deaths than 3 deaths if that's what they're doing

Still. Israel isn't out to "get" Palestinian Civilians. Many of their homes were near rocket launching sites.

It's very sad that many Palestinians have died, but it wasn't done intentionally. The Government of Palestine should be making sure their civilians are out of dangerous Israeli target areas.

[Delanshar]

So Hamas just executed six "collaborators" there bodys were mutilated to a degree and dragged through the streets.

Thats Hamas for you. Imagine the world anger if Israel executed those seen to be collaborating with Hamas.

[Delanshar]

So whats the deal with that ceasefire. I've been hearing some contradictory reports lately.

[Souseiseki]

So Hamas just executed six "collaborators" there bodys were mutilated to a degree and dragged through the streets.

Thats Hamas for you. Imagine the world anger if Israel executed those seen to be collaborating with Hamas.

that would be treason, punishable be death, no?

or let me guess, wah everyone would pick on poor israel a bloo bloo bloo

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

So Hamas just executed six "collaborators" there bodys were mutilated to a degree and dragged through the streets.

Thats Hamas for you. Imagine the world anger if Israel executed those seen to be collaborating with Hamas.

Whatever did happen to Yitzhak Rabin?

Because as Israeli extremists are not in any way wholly representative of Israel, so Hamas are not wholly representative of Gazans and even less so of inhabitants of the West Bank.

[Souseiseki]

http://i.imgur.com/J2oYW.jpg

i think it's still at 3, actually. i think a few soldiers got killed maybe? but i don't think it needs much explaining why people focus more on >110 deaths than 3 deaths if that's what they're doing

Still. Israel isn't out to "get" Palestinian Civilians. Many of their homes were near rocket launching sites.

It's very sad that many Palestinians have died, but it wasn't done intentionally. The Government of Palestine should be making sure their civilians are out of dangerous Israeli target areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

Israel's highest-rating news programme, Channel Two News, has published a statement correcting false claims that rockets were fired from schools operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) during the Gaza war in 2008-2009. The statement makes clear that Israeli officials themselves acknowledged that such claims were false and that there was no evidence to support them.

During Operation "Cast Lead" Israeli forces repeatedly took over Palestinian homes in the Gaza Strip forcing families to stay in a ground-floor room while they used the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position – effectively using the families, both adults and children, as “human shields” and putting them at risk.

While soldiers wore protective body armour and helmets and shielded themselves behind sandbags as they fired from the houses, the Palestinian inhabitants of the houses had no such protection.

For the vast majority of homes destroyed, more than 3,000, and damaged, some 20,000, during Operation “Cast Lead”, the Israeli army has provided no evidence to substantiate its allegations that the houses were used as combat positions, as military command centres or to manufacture or store weapons – or for any other purpose which, under certain circumstances, would have made it lawful to target them.

Many of the houses, factories and farms were bulldozed and many of the houses were destroyed with Israeli anti-tank mines, as evident from the remains of the mines that littered the destroyed neighbourhoods, and from the pattern of destruction resulting from this method. Although designed to be used against tanks, these mines can also be set off remotely. Israeli forces have often used them to destroy Palestinian houses in the West Bank and at times also in Gaza.

The fact that the soldiers used this method – which required them to leave their tanks, walk between buildings and enter houses in order to place the explosive charges inside the houses along the supporting walls – indicates that they felt extremely confident that there were no Palestinian gunmen inside or around the houses. It also indicates their confidence that there were no tunnels under the houses which gunmen could use to capture them, and that the houses were not booby-trapped. Had the soldiers believed that they were in danger of being shot, blown up or captured, they would not have ventured out of their tanks to place the mines inside the houses.

Clearly marked ambulances with flashing emergency lights and paramedics wearing recognizable fluorescent vests were repeatedly fired upon as they attempted to rescue the wounded and collect the dead. Such attacks intensified after Israeli ground forces took positions inside Gaza on 3 January 2009. Palestinian ambulance crews tried as best they could to reach as many of the wounded and the dead as possible. They and the international volunteers who accompanied some of the ambulance crews risked their lives every day to carry out their mission.

From 3 January, when the Israeli ground incursion began, until the end of Operation “Cast Lead”, dozens of Israeli tanks took position in various locations inside the Gaza Strip, mostly in the east and north of Gaza. Tanks can fire high-explosive munitions, notably 120mm deep-penetration projectiles and guided shells with extreme precision, including while on the move and at moving targets, from a distance up to 3km from the target.

From these positions inside Gaza Israeli tanks often fired into Palestinian houses up to 2km or more away, killing scores of unarmed civilians, many of them children and women. In all the cases investigated by Amnesty International, the victims were neither caught in the crossfire of battles between soldiers and militants, nor were they shielding militants.

Others who fled their homes were killed or injured when UN schools and other places where they had sought shelter came under Israeli attack.

Nowhere in the Gaza Strip is safe from Israel's "terrifying" bombardment, a New Zealander living in Gaza City says.

Speaking via Skype while military drones could be heard hovering over her house, activist and freelance journalist Julie Webb-Pullman, who has been living in Gaza since June last year, said it was an "absolutely terrifying" place to be.

"We are being rocked by bombs every 15 minutes ... I was just woken up at 6am by a massive explosion that apparently killed three people.

"The whole building rocked so it must have been about 500 yards from my house."

Webb-Pullman said the reality of the attacks was far from what was being reported.

"Nowhere in Gaza is safe, people are being killed just walking down the street and you have to go to the shop and you have to do things like that. "

Webb-Pullman said yesterday a group of people were targeted by an Israeli drone which killed a nine-year-old girl and her brother.

"They are not military targets, they are civilians. Israel is committing war crimes plain and simple."

Webb-Pullman said a 30:1 ratio of Gazans being killed to Israelis made it clear "who was the aggressor in the matter".

"Every time somebody is killed it enrages the population so much that anybody who was on the fence before then becomes extremely motivated to defend the blood of their dead."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/live-blog-idf-prepares-for-ground-invasion-as-gaza-offensive-enters-fourth-day-1.478505

7:55 P.M. Interior Minister Eli Yishai on Israel's operation in Gaza: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years."

https://twitter.com/billneelyitv/status ... 0104691712

“We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water”

"International Editor for ITV News."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/is ... s-1.434127

"Interior Minister says migrants do not recognize that Israel 'belongs to the white man.'"

i hate to keep posting this stuff but it keeps getting bigger and more fun. i hate to annoy divair in particular but i just love seeing it get bigger.

e: though obviously it will take a while for any investigations into current shit to get get there is no reason to believe there has been a massive change in doctrine

[Sabara]

Thats Hamas for you. Imagine the world anger if Israel executed those seen to be collaborating with Hamas.

that would be treason, punishable be death, no?

or let me guess, wah everyone would pick on poor israel a bloo bloo bloo

Oh yes. Everyone does pick on Israel. The Media. CNN. MSNBC.

And Delan: I totally agree. If the Israelis cracked down on their human rights, the Internation Community would be scandalized! But when Palestine actually does that, nobody makes a peep.

[Souseiseki]

that would be treason, punishable be death, no?

or let me guess, wah everyone would pick on poor israel a bloo bloo bloo

Oh yes. Everyone does pick on Israel. The Media. CNN. MSNBC.

And Delan: I totally agree. If the Israelis cracked down on their human rights, the Internation Community would be scandalized! But when Palestine actually does that, nobody makes a peep.

bbc, oxfam, ITN, ITV, CCN, MSNBC, amnesty international, everyone is out to get poor widdle iswael

[North Calaveras]

Thats Hamas for you. Imagine the world anger if Israel executed those seen to be collaborating with Hamas.

that would be treason, punishable be death, no?

or let me guess, wah everyone would pick on poor israel a bloo bloo bloo

except there is no prove that there spys, in all likley hood there just random people(gays or other jews) they chose to yank and use as an example.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

that would be treason, punishable be death, no?

or let me guess, wah everyone would pick on poor israel a bloo bloo bloo

except there is no prove that there spys, in all likley hood there just random people(gays or other jews) they chose to yank and use as an example.

Can you prove any of that at all? If not, why are you saying it?

[Delanshar]

Oh yes. Everyone does pick on Israel. The Media. CNN. MSNBC.

And Delan: I totally agree. If the Israelis cracked down on their human rights, the Internation Community would be scandalized! But when Palestine actually does that, nobody makes a peep.

bbc, oxfam, ITN, ITV, CCN, MSNBC, amnesty international, everyone is out to get poor widdle iswael

How else would you explain the obvious double standards. Seriously just suppose tomorrow in central Tel Aviv 6 left wing activists are shot dead by Mossad for "collaborating with Hamas". The international outrage would cause an earthquake.