Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[Delanshar]

5-6 months?

Unlikely. Maybe if Hamas wants to really build up their stockpile to enormous levels, but I doubt they'll wait that long. Just lets us get more Iron Domes operational.

I suppose the real question then is will it just be rockets or will Hamas actually try to pull off suicide bombings.

[Souseiseki]

Good. Maybe it'll change your views.

It will probably make them STRONGER. Is it fair that there is only 1 entrance into the Dome on the Rock for Jews and non Muslims whereas there are 7 for Muslims? No. We need a stronger Israel.

"Many Orthodox rabbis regard entry to the compound to be a violation of Jewish law."

holy fuck, they want to take away all the entrances ):

[Divair]

Unlikely. Maybe if Hamas wants to really build up their stockpile to enormous levels, but I doubt they'll wait that long. Just lets us get more Iron Domes operational.

I suppose the real question then is will it just be rockets or will Hamas actually try to pull off suicide bombings.

I think they've already realized by now that suicide bombings only damage the world's view of Palestine. Firing rockets and having Israel bomb you back at least splits the world in two.

[Delanshar]

I expected better from NSG.

Never expect much from NS and you'll never be disappointed. I've met all sorts of whackjobs here.

[Divair]

I expected better from NSG.

Never expect much from NS and you'll never be disappointed. I've met all sorts of whackjobs here.

'Tis true and unfortunate.

[Vazdania]

It will probably make them STRONGER. Is it fair that there is only 1 entrance into the Dome on the Rock for Jews and non Muslims whereas there are 7 for Muslims? No. We need a stronger Israel.

"We"? I'm sorry, when did you become part of us? No, you're just like most foreigners. Not a single fucking clue as to how this region operates, both in terms of history and current events.


I expected better from NSG.

>.< Im really not being rational.

[Souseiseki]

"We"? I'm sorry, when did you become part of us? No, you're just like most foreigners. Not a single fucking clue as to how this region operates, both in terms of history and current events.


I expected better from NSG.

>.< Im really not being rational.

must... resist... temptation for snide comment...

[Divair]

"We"? I'm sorry, when did you become part of us? No, you're just like most foreigners. Not a single fucking clue as to how this region operates, both in terms of history and current events.


I expected better from NSG.

>.< Im really not being rational.

At least you're willing to admit it, unlike most foreigners who think they know everything about this region.

[Vazdania]

>.< Im really not being rational.

must... resist... temptation for snide comment...

please go ahead.

[Delanshar]

I suppose the real question then is will it just be rockets or will Hamas actually try to pull off suicide bombings.

I think they've already realized by now that suicide bombings only damage the world's view of Palestine. Firing rockets and having Israel bomb you back at least splits the world in two.

True. To be honest, I've never understood the obsession the world has with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I mean if you live there thats one thing, but shit goes on all over the world. Nowhere else do you get the UN sec general, Foreign Minister of France, US, Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia, and a bunch of others to visit in the span of like 5 days.

[Vazdania]

I think they've already realized by now that suicide bombings only damage the world's view of Palestine. Firing rockets and having Israel bomb you back at least splits the world in two.

True. To be honest, I've never understood the obsession the world has with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I mean if you live there thats one thing, but shit goes on all over the world. Nowhere else do you get the UN sec general, Foreign Minister of France, US, Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia, and a bunch of others to visit in the span of like 5 days.

its one of the worlds most active places for militaristic violence, of course its going to be a high press area

[Souseiseki]

I think they've already realized by now that suicide bombings only damage the world's view of Palestine. Firing rockets and having Israel bomb you back at least splits the world in two.

True. To be honest, I've never understood the obsession the world has with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I mean if you live there thats one thing, but shit goes on all over the world. Nowhere else do you get the UN sec general, Foreign Minister of France, US, Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia, and a bunch of others to visit in the span of like 5 days.

egypt and turkey care for obvious reasons. tunisia somewhat similar.

the u.s. cares because it is their ally to whom they give billions of dollars annually, THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST, OUR CLOSEST ALLY, YAH YAH

it's actually more than that, but it's actually really really really obvious

[Souseiseki]

I think they've already realized by now that suicide bombings only damage the world's view of Palestine. Firing rockets and having Israel bomb you back at least splits the world in two.

True. To be honest, I've never understood the obsession the world has with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I mean if you live there thats one thing, but shit goes on all over the world. Nowhere else do you get the UN sec general, Foreign Minister of France, US, Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia, and a bunch of others to visit in the span of like 5 days.

also the nukes which france helped them get probably puts them way up there

[The Zeonic States]

True. To be honest, I've never understood the obsession the world has with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I mean if you live there thats one thing, but shit goes on all over the world. Nowhere else do you get the UN sec general, Foreign Minister of France, US, Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia, and a bunch of others to visit in the span of like 5 days.

egypt and turkey care for obvious reasons. tunisia somewhat similar.

the u.s. cares because it is their ally to whom they give billions of dollars annually, THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST, OUR CLOSEST ALLY, YAH YAH

it's actually more than that, but it's actually really really really obvious

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I resisted the temptation

[Delanshar]

True. To be honest, I've never understood the obsession the world has with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I mean if you live there thats one thing, but shit goes on all over the world. Nowhere else do you get the UN sec general, Foreign Minister of France, US, Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia, and a bunch of others to visit in the span of like 5 days.

also the nukes which france helped them get probably puts them way up there

Nukes. What nukes?

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[The Zeonic States]

also the nukes which france helped them get probably puts them way up there

Nukes. What nukes?

...

Another bit of Isreali arrogance that.

That they and they alone hold Nuclear power when they have not signed any sort of documentation to limit production what so ever and then feel threatened when other powers around them whom have also not signed anything such as a limitation treaty do the same.

That's reason number four why i Hate isreal; It's also reason number thirty two why i Hate the United State's.

Nuclear Weapons should not be denied to people merely because they disagree with the Western powers, Perhaps a few more would prevent America from playing policemen in the sandbox for a while.

[Tyrants]

Nukes. What nukes?

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Another bit of Isreali arrogance that.

That they and they alone hold Nuclear power when they have not signed any sort of documentation to limit production what so ever and then feel threatened when other powers around them whom have also not signed anything such as a limitation treaty do the same.

That's reason number four why i Hate isreal; It's also reason number thirty two why i Hate the United State's.

Nuclear Weapons should not be denied to people merely because they disagree with the Western powers, Perhaps a few more would prevent America from playing policemen in the sandbox for a while.

Yeah, except if we give nukes to those who do disagree with the West... at least the West realised 2 would be enough to end a war.

[Souseiseki]

Another bit of Isreali arrogance that.

That they and they alone hold Nuclear power when they have not signed any sort of documentation to limit production what so ever and then feel threatened when other powers around them whom have also not signed anything such as a limitation treaty do the same.

That's reason number four why i Hate isreal; It's also reason number thirty two why i Hate the United State's.

Nuclear Weapons should not be denied to people merely because they disagree with the Western powers, Perhaps a few more would prevent America from playing policemen in the sandbox for a while.

Yeah, except if we give nukes to those who do disagree with the West... at least the West realised 2 would be enough to end a war.

i can't what this even means

[Tyrants]

Yeah, except if we give nukes to those who do disagree with the West... at least the West realised 2 would be enough to end a war.

i can't what this even means

Sorry. I meant that if everyone who could afford it could have nukes, then they might not show the same levels of restraint as the West did.

[Divair]

i can't what this even means

Sorry. I meant that if everyone who could afford it could have nukes, then they might not show the same levels of restraint as the West did.

Yes, they would. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

[The Zeonic States]

Another bit of Isreali arrogance that.

That they and they alone hold Nuclear power when they have not signed any sort of documentation to limit production what so ever and then feel threatened when other powers around them whom have also not signed anything such as a limitation treaty do the same.

That's reason number four why i Hate isreal; It's also reason number thirty two why i Hate the United State's.

Nuclear Weapons should not be denied to people merely because they disagree with the Western powers, Perhaps a few more would prevent America from playing policemen in the sandbox for a while.

Yeah, except if we give nukes to those who do disagree with the West... at least the West realised 2 would be enough to end a war.

So you assume M.A.D No longer applies in the Modern world? I don't Personally see even most of the supposed " radical" Islamist powers firing a Nuclear weapon with out something similar being done to them to be honest. And besides most of those supposed "radical" powers are gone due to what was it called "Arab Spring?"

Honestly the existing excuse for why Middle eastern powers cannot acheive Nuclear weapon status poccession is getting old this is no longer the time of Sadam or Gaddafi. And to be honest most evidence of Either leaders trying to get Nuclear weapons was mostly bogus it turned out to begin with.

[Tyrants]

Sorry. I meant that if everyone who could afford it could have nukes, then they might not show the same levels of restraint as the West did.

Yes, they would. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

I could see a nuclear Iran (other radical Islamist states available) ignoring this through the red mist and taking Israel with it to kingdom come.

[Souseiseki]

Yes, they would. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

I could see a nuclear Iran (other radical Islamist states available) ignoring this through the red mist and taking Israel with it to kingdom come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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[The Emerald Dawn]

Yeah, except if we give nukes to those who do disagree with the West... at least the West realised 2 would be enough to end a war.

So you assume M.A.D No longer applies in the Modern world? I don't Personally see even most of the supposed " radical" Islamist powers firing a Nuclear weapon with out something similar being done to them to be honest. And besides most of those supposed "radical" powers are gone due to what was it called "Arab Spring?"

Honestly the existing excuse for why Middle eastern powers cannot acheive Nuclear weapon status poccession is getting old this is no longer the time of Sadam or Gaddafi. And to be honest most evidence of Either leaders trying to get Nuclear weapons was mostly bogus it turned out to begin with.

Yeah, no.

See, nuclear weapons shouldn't even be in the hands of stable, moderate, governments. The US, UK, France, Russia, China...nobody wants the damn things. They're a necessary evil because everyone else has them. The last thing anyone wants and/or needs is a country in the middle of the world, without a stable political process, without pre-existing communications processes to defuse regional tensions, without an honest need to deter someone from erasing their country, having the biggest gun on the planet.

[Divair]

Yes, they would. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

I could see a nuclear Iran (other radical Islamist states available) ignoring this through the red mist and taking Israel with it to kingdom come.

This is implying leaders are irrational and willing to give up their power. They're not.